Hope you had a great christmas

The is is interesting. I thought the US would be much higher. Though doesn't surprise me to see china so high up

Survey was for antibiotics not steroids
- Ah - that was why I was so confused. Canada, for example, limits the growth hormone in dairy cattle while the US does not.
Light blue is bang on in the middle so it's still quite a lot.
- "Bang on in the middle" of the legend, but not of the data. And below the middle of the legend, actually. The bottom half of the legend covers 0 - 50 while the top half covers 50 - 200+. The US is at 31 mg/kg as of 2020
- I mean, we're doing better than basically every other 1st world country, and those that are beating us don't have big livestock industries.

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Thank

I thought the US would be way up there given the intensive livestock industry there. But I guess we all underestimated the pig industry in China. They have multi-storey slaughter houses for pigs over there!

Really, why?

Like why not process rural, it has to be cheaper to just use rural land and go horizontal than vertical.
- We used to do vertical in Chicago. You drive the livestock to the top floor, butcher them there, then use gravity to move them around.

Brazil certainly should be broken down by state, I imagine the USA as well.

My state in south Brazil has VERY strict controls on animals entering the state so we can use less antibiotics and other stuff.

Then you'd likely have to do that for every country with subdivisions that affect the chart

Hope you had a great christmas

My leek+mushroom stuffed seitan roast was delicious, antibiotic-free, and cruelty-free. So tyvm, I did.

How did it taste? Do you have a recipe I can follow? I don't know hoe far a vegan ingredients shopping run will go where I live though.
- The gluten doesn't have a very strong flavour on its own (it basically tastes like unflavoured bread) but it picks up whatever you season it with very well. The recipe I make goes for a typical poultry style seasoning with nooch and veggie broth. The stuffing is very umami with a little brightness from the lemon. It's very yummy.
  
  Here's the recipe I use for the roast:
  
  https://www.theppk.com/2011/11/seitan-roast-stuffed-with-shiitakes-and-leeks/
  
  And I make the gravy from this recipe:
  
  https://www.rabbitandwolves.com/vegan-crispy-black-pepper-cauliflower-steaks/
  
  (Which incidentally is also a very good vegan holiday recipe in its own right!)
  
  You might have trouble finding vital wheat gluten. I'd recommend checking either health food or bulk stores, or just buying it online. Everything else should be pretty easily accessible.
  
  While you can make the recipe with the wash-the-flour method from regular flour, it's already a bit of a challenging recipe, and you have to tweak quite a few things to get the proper wet:dry ratio, so I wouldn't recommend it, especially for your first try.
  
  I normally also do a side of mashed potatoes, and then some other veg like carrots+parsnips, or Brussels sprouts.
- If you get a lot of specialty items (like faux cheeses and meats) it won't go far. If you shop like normal but just skip the animal products it'll almost surely be cheaper than regular groceries. You can make your own seitan very easily, there are many YouTube videos showing you how. It's just a simple dough that is washed and kneaded to develop the gluten. You can also make your own tofu, but tofu is dirt cheap unless you get fancy stuff so I recommend just buying it.
Going to have to try that.

Are the nordics low because of cleaner feed operations, or are the nordics zero because it’s been banned?

In Scandinavia they have a policy to minimize the use of antibiotics, even on people, to prevent antibiotic resistance.
- Which has two sides to it. It is very hard to get antibiotics unless there is a clear sign of a specific infection going on, e.g. after a tick bite those red circles on the skin.
  
  In any other case just having high fever for a bit does not prompt doctors to check for bacterial infections. Instead they ask you how long you got that fever and if you say anything lower than 6/7 days they simply tell you to come back after 6/7 days if the fever isn't gone still. Only then they run a blood test and prescribe antibiotics, should you have a bacterial infection.
  
  I understand the idea but you could probably test much earlier and give the antibiotics, if useful, earlier so that people can avoid feeling miserable for just a few days instead of a whole week. It also just prompts people to lie about how long they've been sick, just in case.
Agriculture isn't terribly industrialised in Sweden and Norway. So smaller farms means fewer animals get infected when something is going around. And fewer practises like weaning piglets early and giving them prophylactic antibiotics.

And the projection makes them look big on the map.
Easy to not use any when you can just freeze bacteria to death lol

Russian meat be like:

"I just want to be clean!"

Informative shitpost.

It's probably misinformation.

how much antibiotics should i take if i go to china? im around 70 kilos

Depends, do you plan on being eaten?
Depends on how long you want to remain in Chinese prison

China builds workers, they really don't care what happens to their people after prime working ages of 14 to 35, ergo they pump their livestock up with as many antibiotics as can produce the most protein, and leave any issues of antibiotic resistance to .... later (never)

if they aren't careful, they might cause a global pandemic... wait a minute
- or somethin

Thanks, greetings from Chile x.x

Your country is really long. Mine's pretty long too, though not as long as yours.
- I'm not so sure... let me see yours

>china being a shithole again

every time

Thankfully I live in a country where they use it very sparse. Unfortunately, not alle the meat I consume is comming from my country...

Wait, is this really true? I always assumed US was on the bad side of this trend

Americas is low because they are cheap bastards, not out of any concern for food quality or animal welfare.

I get the color coding, I don’t like it.

Aren't colors fun

Mmmmh... Antibiotic with taste of chicken... Yummy...

Can someone explain the disparity between Australia's and New Zealand's use of antibiotics in meat?

Different countries, different laws.
Probably exports. Small population + large number of exports, it's possible the per capita scaling skews this.
In addition to what others said, they likely have different percentages of livestock. Beef vs. Dairy vs. Sheep, etc

Is this true? Every Chinese person I know says the US is more than China and it affects meat flavor

I mean, thats asking the fox what he did in the hen house, to coin a paraphrase. Chinese citizens are generally very nationalistic and have a very skewed perspective due to the near total control of information the government has.
- I got an interesting answer from family. They said they only get countryside local chicken this way they don’t get the factory chicken with all the meds. These are typically used in restaurants not homes.
  
  This makes sense!
yeah I'm sure the chinese citizens only get told correct information by their government. I can't imagine there being false propaganda in china
- I got another answer in a comment that may be why
Might be true here I found this https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7766021/figure/antibiotics-09-00918-f001/

this should be adjusted for amount produced .. in chile the antibiotic usage is high but we mostly consume meat from Argentina and Brasil

But it's per kilogram of meat (produced).