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I'd sincerely recommend everyone to read his manifesto and think about it a little bit.
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A minor correction, 3D printed guns are fairly reliable nowadays when made in a way such that all pressure bearing parts are made with metal/factory made regular parts
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You just 3d print the lower reciever, most modern handguns use injection molded plastic for this part, and a good 3d printer (and operator) can get a pretty decent result.
But its not just the 'pressure bearing' parts that cannot easily be 3d printed.
Almost everything else still has to be either purchased or very, very carefully assembled by hand with skill and machining tools.
Here's a Glock 40:
Its basically a pretty bad idea (impossible with springs) to try to replace any of the metal parts with 3d printed plastic, many more parts than the barrel and slide are made of metal, and many of those parts could easily fail, even after mag worth of ammo or less, and completely brick the weapon.
People who make or sell 3d printed weapons still have to include a parts kit (or shopping list) with the stuff you can't 3d print... with the exception of weapons that fire basically .22 or smaller cartidges, and those ones that actually are all 3d printed plastic are not going to survive very many shots.
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Important to note: 3D PRINTED FIREARMS DO NOT BREAK WITH A FEW USES
Firsthand knowledge.
200-250 rounds and still going strong, inspected before and after firing every time
No damage so far.
Beyond that point, I agree with everything posted.
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I think that highly depends on your knowledge about 3D printing an what materials you use.
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Most 3d printed guns are constructed very similarly to "real" commercially available (in burgerland) guns that use a polymer construction. The plastic is taking very little of the force, they use metal inserts and rails that the mechanical parts connect to. This distributes the load a lot. I haven't printed any yet, mostly because you basically need to buy a whole gun to build one, but they aren't magic or anything and you could do the same thing with woodworking tools by hand if you had a lot of patience.
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Based O’Brien would engineer a thousand-round 3D printed gun while the federation’s ATF just weeps in a corner
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500 cigarettes
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Yeah 3d printed gun is such a misnomer for most of the "ghost guns", the gun he had was just the printed frame. That section of the 3d printing community isn't really my scene but that seems to be what I've seen for all the printed guns, lower/frame with barrel and trigger assembly being metal pieces. I think years ago I saw a modern reinterpreting of the WW2 Liberator that was done in all plastic but that's obviously designed to shoot only once.
I'm sure you know more about the scene than I do and can correct or verify my knowledge.
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The ones I have use 3d printed frames, the fire control group and barrels are metal with 3d printed pieces for making the rifling.
All the parts that take repeated heavy abuse are reinforced with extra thickness or different infil, but by weight I'd say it's about 50/50 metal/plastic.
The 3d printed lowers are quite basic, and since they aren't designed to take a ton of stress anyway, it's not really hard to find a decent design.
All my parts are printed in pla+, and I do minimal work afterwards to make things perfect, only what is necessary for the mechanical parts to cycle properly.
I actually haven't been keeping up the last few years, I wouldn't be surprised if there are even better methods than the ones I've used.
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To add on to what you said, only the lower recievers for most guns have to be registered. Someone could hypothetically get every other upper part for a pistol or rifle delivered directly to their door or PO box with no questions asked, and then just hypothetically 3d print the lower reciever.
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Yeah, the early 3D printed guns were garbage, but modern ones are much more durable. Changes in design have allowed for the use of off-the-shelf parts for the most important moving pieces, which means you have the durability of those off-the-shelf parts instead. The 3D print is basically just holding the machined parts together.
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it's not like homemade guns are a new thing, it's just that now we can make them not look like pipe guns from fallout 4
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Yeah but people don't consider printing a handle to be a "3d printed gun" unless you're trying to ban their existence entirely.
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That's awesome and also kind of scary.
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What if I told you about “80% receivers” and parts kits that have been in use for decades by hobbyists?
- Individuals who make their own firearms may use a 3D printing process or any other process, as long as the firearm is “detectable” as defined in the Gun Control Act. You do not have to add a serial number or register the [privately made firearm] if you are not engaged in the business of making firearms for livelihood or profit.
“80% receivers” are a weird line in the sand to pick between “random hunk of metal/plastic” and “yeah that’s a gun bro” but words have meaning that (still) have to be defined in law, and you can build a 100%* factory looking gun with zero 3D printed parts and no serial number.
*Depends on your skill with tools and machinery ofc, but can be done with a hand drill and a basic file with enough patience
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I was coming here to say this, I have an (unfinished) semi-auto 9mm carbine and its only part from a real gun is a barrel from a Glock because I didn't feel like making my own XD
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Don’t forget his confession said how much he respects the feds and the hard work they do
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“I love the taste of glowie boot and will fellate some leather to completion when you come knocking, but first, crimes”
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glowie
I sure didn't expect to see schizophrenic racist lingo on 196...
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Which was 3 pages long and 2 paragraphs...
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what else are you gonna scrawl hastily? luigi was just a regular upperclassman but with actual gall. opportunity doesn't wait for you to compose a manifesto
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my man Luigi's taking the fall for the real hero, is there nothing this handsome , suffering soul won't do for good?
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Peg me 😭
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potential explanations:
it's him and he genuinely wasn't running (as his confession suggests), whilst also being chased by the police surveillance state, so even if he was running it would take meticulous planning to truly avoid the cops.
it's him and he planned to get caught and the confession, the inconsistencies etc. are intended to make prosecuting him "without a doubt" incredibly difficult. You can bet money on his lawyer knowing a lot of these inconsistencies too, and exploiting them in court.
it's him but he's trying to obscure his motives etc. for [reason]. (unlikely)
it isn't him but a lookalike who's being framed for it because of [conspiracy theory]. (unlikely)
it isn't him but a lookalike who framed themselves for [reason]. (unlikely)
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It could also be not be him, and some deal was made with a lookalike to close the case quickly, or to avoid giving the adjuster a platform to tell his story
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I mean honestly who can fuckin tell unless he has his own bodycam footage of the shooting just laying around
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it isn't him but a lookalike who's being framed for it because of [conspiracy theory]. (unlikely)
Because the cops can't find the real killer but they have to present someone. Saying "we can't find him" is not an option for them right now. They must present a killer to maintain image. If a killer is not presented then this shot will be heard round the world as the starting gun for a class war. There is no situation in which NCPD will be allowed to not present a killer for swift justice.
Therefore, if they really actually can't find the guy because he covered his tracks well.... Well, they received an anonymous tip from a McDonald's about a guy that kind of looks like their guy. Better go bag him so they've got something to show for this big manhunt that can appease the overlords.
The reaction of Luigi himself so far is the only thing that gives me pause about this, because he doesn't really seem to be denying any of it was him. But I also don't think he's actually had a chance to speak in court, or rather for his lawyer to speak for him, and is maybe making the intelligent move called "shutting the fuck up". We will have to see what gets said in court later. But if he does own up to it, then it means either he definitely is actually The Adjuster or else he's intentionally choosing to take the fall for whoever is. I find the second option unlikely but not impossible, but it's too conspiracy-theory for me to back it seriously, and if that really is what he's doing then I ain't no snitch anyway. Just write Luigi down in the history books and call it a day.
But at the end of the day the list of evidence the cops claim to have found on him is one of the fishiest police stories I've ever read, and that's saying something because I'm an American that tracks the news regularly.
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The first thing he shouted from the car taking him to the courthouse fit the idea that this was all planted:
it's completely unjust! It's an insult to the intelligence of the American people!"
To me that reads: this is dishonest and unfair because it wasn't me it's an insult to USians intelligence because I don't even look like him. (My inferences in italics.)
It was reported on Dec 10 that he said the money was planted on him.
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I was suspicious at first too, but now as weird as the whole scenario looks my skepticism has weakened (e.g. people say he's been missing from work during the shooting, the unibrow may have been simply visually deformed by the shitty camera, etc.).
But you know what, I think it's better to stop trying to be smarter than what is reasonably possible, and at the very least wait and see what he and his lawyer will have to say in the court. E.g. if the evidence was fabricated, they will certainly try to argue that. Not everything about the story will clear up, but some things can, and I say it's better to wait it out with a bit of patience.
Besides, what if it really wasn't Luigi and we've all been duped? How will the fanboys and fangirls lusting after him feel? What will the smart businessmen do with their leftover Saint Luigi candles?
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to be clear on the “3d printed guns explode after 3 shots” thing.
It depends. If it’s 100% 3d printed parts, including bolt/slide and barrel, then yah, a few shots is the most you’d get out of it.
But most “3d printed guns” are using off the shelf barrels and bolts/slides, parts that are usually not registered and tracked. The parts that are register and tracked are usually the parts that hold trigger assemblies and grips, things that can be made of plastic since they’re not directly handling the stress of firing.
So the fact that the gun (the suspect was arrested with) is intact doesn’t mean it was never used. It also doesn’t mean it was definitely the gun used.
The situation still seems weird, but, we’ll see what the different parties have to say on the matter when they go to trial.
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Usual reminder that everything pigs say is false until proven otherwise
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It's sad seeing a lot of people fall for conspiracy theories like this. Unable to handle the fact that Luigi wasn't a criminal mastermind but just a regular person like them, only Luigi had the balls to do something about it outside of screaming anonymously into the void.
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What's sad is seeing people accept the police's story at face value. You don't have to be a criminal mastermind to not be caught with everything needed to hand the case to the prosecution on a gold platter a week after you committed a crime in another state. This is either a set up, or Luigi intended to be caught.
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I have the same issue with the idea that this is a setup as I do with a lot of other popular conspiracy theories, I just don't see any possible motive that makes sense. This entire situation has been a total PR nightmare for everyone who could possibly have been involved in the alleged conspiracy. That Luigi intended/expected to be caught seems to me the simplest and most likely explanation for the set of facts we have available. If I were to speculate further, I'd guess Luigi didn't expect to get as far as he did and was weighing his options while on the run, and basically just decided to turn himself in and chose a public place for his own safety.
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or an oversight
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I don’t think it’s a conspiracy theory to question the official narrative. Because you know, people never lie, especially not police. /s
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Yeah it's soooo sad that people don't just believe everything the police tell them. It must be so hard for you, being so much more intelligent than everyone else. You must feel so much sorrow for all of us idiots who just can't comprehend the universe as you do.
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Nice to see someone else gets it.
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I think that for someone who had the determination to:
- Figure out how to access and identify their target (date, time, location, physical appearance)
- Take enough care to avoid immediate detection before and after the fact (Why suppressor that causes jams? Why 3D print vs straw purchase/private sale/4473 @ FFL? Why mask up before and after?)
- Flee the scene and the state before (allegedly) getting “randomly” caught in public with all the gear and then some more, and not some invisible forensic trail like gunshot residue on hands/clothes or a cellphone GPS trail to that morning?
It beggars belief imo. Otherwise why not drop the gun immediately and peacefully wait for the cops at the scene to “say his piece in court”, or die in a police shootout, or a mad spree killing inside the board meeting that the CEO was going to that morning? Why stop at the one killing if you’re throwing your life away? Why NOT dispose/bury/cache the tools and evidence if there was a larger/long term plan?
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- Figure out how to access and identify their target (date, time, location, physical appearance)
The target was a CEO of a major corporation. And his plan just involved waiting outside the hotel.
- Take enough care to avoid immediate detection before and after the fact (Why suppressor that causes jams? Why 3D print vs straw purchase/private sale/4473 @ FFL? Why mask up before and after?)
Dude was techbro pilled out of his mind. So why not use a 3d printer, if he wasn't a gun nut he wouldn't know the issues his suppressor would cause.
- Flee the scene and the state before (allegedly) getting “randomly” caught in public with all the gear and then some more, and not some invisible forensic trail like gunshot residue on hands/clothes or a cellphone GPS trail to that morning?
Because real life isn't a episode of CSI were the criminal thinks of everything but is eventually caught out with this smoking gun piece of evidence.
It beggars belief imo. Otherwise why not drop the gun immediately and peacefully wait for the cops at the scene to “say his piece in court”, or die in a police shootout, or a mad spree killing inside the board meeting that the CEO was going to that morning? Why stop at the one killing if you’re throwing your life away? Why NOT dispose/bury/cache the tools and evidence if there was a larger/long term plan?
What makes you think he had a plan? an actual plan that is. He was a well educated techbro, just because he could pull the trigger doesn't mean he could handle what comes next. Probably didn't think he would get that far.
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If you think about that Boston murder trial, or the YSL trial, you'll remember how often the pigs lie. They love to lie. They lie under oath in court, and fabricate evidence, and they love to lie in press releases even more, because press releases can't count as perjury.
Never take the cops at their word. Always examine the physical evidence. And this actually surprisingly not obvious, but don't take the cops at their word for what the physical evidence is. The evidence itself is what you need to see, not someone's account of said evidence.
Are the pigs lying here? I have some reasons to assume they are, other reasons to assume they're not, and I'm going to watch the trial to see what's real and what's bullshit.
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The thing that gets me is the McDonald's employees tip. Whenever something like this happens the police are flooded with false information and bad tips, this case would have been even moreso due to the politics involved. What made them decide this random person in another state was credible? What about this tip in particular made them say "this information should be followed up on."
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Most likely Parallel Construction.
Snowden revealed some of the surveillance powers of PRISM and agencies like the NSA. Local police would not have access to those kinds of technologies, but calls could be made to push the police in the right direction.
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That's a good point. Just have fusion centers wait for a random tip or social media post and use that.
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The very first day I remember news sources saying the McDonald's worker called in a tip. Since then I've consistently heard that someone at McDonald's called 911 on him because he was acting suspiciously. (As in looking haggard from days on the run and also wearing a mask in fucking Altoona, PA, where folks didn't wear masks at the height of the pandemic)
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Nothing ever happens and everything is a conspiracy
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I mean they're taking a few liberties there to.my.knowledge but thats close to the official story and it is contusionesque. Unless Luigi wanted to get caught after letting all CEOs cook for a few days.
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Which I think would make sense if he wanted to send a message. For example: he lays low and check press coverage to see if they report on it the way he wants. If he doesn’t get the reaction he’s looking for then he can turn himself in and get another chance to speak to the public more directly.
I can see some logic to it.
His goal wasn’t to get away with murder, his goal was to highlight the system in a way that couldn’t be ignored.
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Well, everybody does stupid things, and he may have wanted to get caught...
But the entire story is incredibly weird. It looks like those official explanations that say "well, he shot himself on the head and 20 minutes later shot his wife; that's absolutely the case!"
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I think it's much more likely that he either wanted to be caught, or it could just be that the guy that did something ill advised (killing someone in public while making very little effort to hide his face besides a cloth mask that he pulled down on several occasions) didn't really have much in the way of a contingency plan.
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The state would never ever lie to you and cops can always be trusted.
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One possibility is that Luigi is just a vaguely similar looking guy who happened to be in the area at the time of the shooting. They found some DNA from a coffee cup or similar that he dumped in a trash can near the scene. So they actually do have real DNA evidence of him being in the proximity. Once they were confident they had air-tight proof that he was in the viscinity, the cops just went ahead and manufactured the rest of the evidence. So Luigi really was by chance near the scene of the crime, but it's Manhattan, plenty of people were near the scene of the crime.
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Everything the authorities say is true and there is no possibility of collusion behind closed doors.
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They planned evidence because they used illegal means to identify him
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That would be a terrible idea. If they identified him using illegal means, any evidence found as a result would be inadmissible. It's fruit of the poisoned tree.
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It doesn't matter. One of the world's rulers was gunned down so they are bringing the book down on him. Anything goes.
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Still more plausible than the cops saying "well fuck it he's gone" and finding a lookalike to take the fall like a day after the shooting.
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More likely he had no real semblance of getting away with it and just happened to escape due to the incompetence of the NYPD.
People who typically go through these plans are not the most mentally stable, he was probably expecting to be caught so he wrote his manifesto beforehand and thought he'd try to see how far he could get.
Most of all, he probably did not expect the authorities fail to ID him, which is also why he made it for so long.
Even the Mcdonalds employee might have reported him for other reasons like loitering or general sketchiness and not because they thought he was the shooter.
Still I think it's funny how he inadvertently proved the ease of crime with pretty basic rules. Any sort of organized crime, especially one off jobs could probably do it even more discretely and get away with it.
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The news interviewed the employee, and apparently he wasn't aware that was actually the real luigi right there. He was trying to waste the police's time on a lookalike
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Except that manifesto sounds fake AF bootlicking cops in the first sentence? he more than likely dead man switched the one on pepmangione dot com slash manifesto
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Have you read up on him at all? Luigi came from a wealthy heavily Republican family and was just starting to question right-wing ideology. Having respect for the feds is absolutely in line with the person described in this article.
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I have said it once and I will say it again: I am genuinely shocked at just how many people, especially on Lemmy, are just accepting that Luigi is the real shooter. I haven't believed it for one minute and the only thing that will make me believe it is audio proof of Luigi confessing while not under duress.
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Personally, it seems more likely to me that he never expected to get away with it for as long as he did, didn't really have a plan beyond getting out of NYC, and went to that McDonald's to get caught.
Maybe I'm wrong, that's completely possible. But... I dunno... a lot of eyes are on this case. It would be very very dumb of the cops to manufacture a suspect with all the attention on this. Maybe they are that dumb...
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Never underestimate how incompetent the American police are
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Why would you think the feds want the wrong guy? Because what they want the actual killer to be roaming free.
What happens if the real killer does another hit in a few weeks? The Feds just be like erm nah this is a copycat we will get him too.
Occam's razor.
Also this post is filled with misinformation itself. There are plenty of 3D printed gun demos on YouTube where the guns don’t explode.
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You don't seriously think that the feds are trying to keep America safe, do you? The feds and NYPD all need to have someone in jail so they can claim that they did a good job. They want to brag about how accomplished they are.
There is no duty to protect and serve. The police do not have to protect you, and they don't on a regular basis. I know you might have heard that growing up, but it's just not true.
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Also as far as I'm aware it wasn't a fully 3d printed gun, rather a 3d printed lower for a Glock. The lower doesn't have to handle anywhere near the levels of pressure that the upper does, so is unlikely to break when firing.
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You're shocked eh.
This attitude sounds very trumpy
All you know is what you heard in news reports. There is no incentive for them to arrest the wrong guy, and we haven't heard all the evidence
Installing security systems was part of my job, and sorry, but a lot of criminals are idiots. They just assume they're going to get away with it. Or they figure they're going to get caught
We had one where some fat guy tried to climb a gate but it broke so he went through it. Then he took his hoodie off as he was stealing a camera.
Had another where the guy ran a fake school as a scam. When they investigated him, they discovered he had all of the computers, but none of them were set up. But really, the suspicious part was the Ferrari he owned
Had another guy who was the world's biggest asshole. He got busted for distributing drugs.
Then there is Trump who brags about his crimes and then pretends like he's being set up
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Of course there's incentive to arrest the wrong guy, because there's incentive to arrest anybody at all, to avoid looking incompetent. This is policing 101. Round up the usual suspects and if you don't have any usual suspects, round up somebody.
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First thing in the manifesto "yeah the cops are still really cool and I like them"
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I still don't think he's the same guy who shot the CEO, it's clearly for me a different person in the photos...
However, at this point this changes nothing of what's going to happen, anyone caught for this would be facing the same charges. Let's hope the jury feels as we all do and lets him walk
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Luigi is innocent. A witness across the street stated they didn't hear gunshots at the time.
Eric's head just did that.
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Also, we're still wondering if the McSnitch is getting their reward money. The last I heard they were thinking about withholding it.
And that would be such a great propaganda point to show that US law enforcement doesn't regard the rest of us as full persons / citizens and will cheat us out of our due even when we cooperate. So yeah, no-one sees nothing. Ever. You're a collaborator if you do.
Zero Witnesses.
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somehow the cops just know from grainy 140p footage
was miraculously not shattered into pieces, which happens to all other 3d printed guns.
the very well-built gun has a particular reload quirk that was seen in the surveillance footage
the doubt about not disposing the gun is a fair point. i suppose he either wanted to seed doubt to the prosecution (as someone else claimed below), or just forgot to plan this part
would naturally spend a long period of time sitting in a public place
fair point, but i think he simply settled into routine. this is corroborated by him being "visibly shaken" and not−well-prepared to someone asking him about the murder
including the additional time it would take for the cops to respond and then arrive
he obviously did not know someone tipped him off
a random McDonald s worker
slight correction: a fellow customer told the worker. if the concern here is that he would hide his face to the worker, well he may have dropped his guard after going back to his seat
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4chan op has a tenuous grasp of how time and pictures work.
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lost a couple inches in height, changed skin colour
their new yet slightly different face
tf you mean
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What does everyone think they do with all their biometric and Face ID data? Throw a shitty algorithm against this data cross referencing a pic from a grainy security feed and in this post truth era, 100% of crimes are now solvable.
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Are we fucking with sofas again?
This is one of my dystopian thriller elements: If the police can't find the culprit of a high-profile crime, then they find someone, plant an orgy of evidence and railroad him into capital punishment or life in a supermax. Just to show that the long arm of the law always wins.
Doing a for-real investigation and just disappearing / killing off any likely suspects is optional, depending on how vengeful the elites feel about it.
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It seems like he wanted to get caught. Am I missing something?
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You would think the police would pick someone who wasn’t so photogenic.
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Here's what I might do if I couldn't catch a murderer but wanted to make an example anyway, and I had access to AI art that was very good at getting approximately accurate images of people...
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What I learned from the show "Interior Chinatown" is that they always get their man.
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Has Interior Chinatown actually started? I loved the book. - A former aspiring kung fu guy
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It's on Hulu, had a clean ending not asking for a sequel. 10 episodes, 45 minutes each.
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Grow unibrow and beard
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