Being subscribed to similar communities on multiple instances and seeing duplicates
There were also 2 more below that.
And this must be a bot, endless posts by this user, every time the same content on multiple communities.
Daily Reminder, Discussion is okay. Name caling, vitriol and toxic behaviour is against our community rules. Nothing is worth an argument. Discuss away but leave the aggression at the door.
It goes without saying, but any user included in the post should not be harassed. Those found to be following this person will be banned from the community.
Here's my idea:
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It's a middle ground between completely hiding the duplicates, and letting them as is. Once you click that plus button, it shows the duplicates as full posts, otherwise it leaves them as just one-liners.
There is discussion on going at !news@lemmy.world currently about new rules. Users posting the same story from the same source will be blocked by an automod. I asked about users posting the same story from different sources, and apparently that's absolutely fine. So expect this problem to get a lot worse before steps have to be taken to make it better :/
The issue is that this sort of rule only works against duplicates inside a community; it does nothing against duplicates across communities, that users may or may not be subscribed to. As such I think that the solution should be on the interface level.
On another, related matter: you replied twice. I think that the server itself should prevent it, as 99% of the time it's by accident.
Can you put this suggestion on their Github issues tracker? It's brilliant.
I like this one. It conveys all of the pertinent cross posting info in a succinct manner.
There is discussion on going at !news@lemmy.world currently about new rules. Users posting the same story from the same source will be blocked by an automod. I asked about users posting the same story from different sources, and apparently that's absolutely fine. So expect this problem to get a lot worse before steps have to be taken to make it better :/
Would love to see something like this happen, good idea!!
This also happened on reddit
It did, but it wasn't as bad as this. My hope is that as Lemmy matures, this will happen less.
It won't.
There is a cross post feature, and the resuting post appears to be aware it was cross posted - it would be nice if Lemmy would consolidate those to one post that appears in multiple communities, or at least show you only one of them.
Lemmy needs cross communities that exist across instances otherwise it's going to get more and more fragmented
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makes a cross-post, it shoud be used, because it combines them in the feed if both are in the same view (often in New), but it probably should be automated, at least if the link and the title are the same, so it also works if someone doesn't use the button to cross post.Example:
This way you still are only one click away from each communities comments.
Yes when I see this I downvote all duplicates.
Lemmy should, however, find all federated duplicates and offer you to cross post an existing one when such a case arises. It would fix many of these cases.
Not all clients support this (yet). I only found out about this recently and have to go to the browser to use the crosspost feature.
Yeah, I don't have that option on jerboa and loading lemmy in a browser on mobile is a terrible experience.
loading lemmy in a browser on mobile is a terrible experience
I'd say it's not too bad compared to Reddit and other mobile websites these days
There's no ads, no annoying accept cookies stuff, no log in to continue,... what more could you possibly want?
But did you know about the nearly 50% reduction in Threads users???
If it's posted three times, does that mean Threads users are down 87.5% or up 50%?
Just block the user?
Yep, it's one thing if someone is posting a lot to a sub they want to grow. But if someone is posting the same article to like 10 different subs in 2 minutes...
Just block em
I've blocked like 5+ different instances of World News and 5+ of Politics, it's all just bullshit.
If you're on Android and want filters, I'm looking for beta testers for my app. I've got keyword filters that can hide or collapse posts that contain a word or phrase.. well really I have a system that is very easy to add filters to and I'm looking for feedback
If you have an idea that would work better for you, let me know
I'm finishing up testing today and spending tomorrow hopefully getting a build uploaded, let me know or check out !flemmy@lemmy.world if you're interested
Iphone build is in the works, keep an eye out for Luna for Lemmy
I feel like the best way to handle the situation with similar/same communities on different instances is to allow communities to automatically federated with other communities. That way subscribing to one community will show you its posts and all the posts to its linked communities.
It would be especially helpful for these general purpose communities like Technology or News since I would imagine most communities are going to have one.
If that happens then we wouldn't need to hunt down and follow every single instance of the same community. Let the mods handle it on their end to save the rest of us the effort.
not a necessarily a bot, but also there need to be a feature where duplicate posts need to be hidden. inoreader (rss reader) has this is a premium feature. lemmy apps need to draw inspiration from the rss readers, since content is similar. in fact i used to browse inoreader before using a lemmy client app.
What about the comments though? I don't think hiding duplicates or merging comments will be easy
I think it does that if they're cross posted, at least someone else said that, but maybe they need to make that easier on more of the mobile clients.
I think bots are too agressive posting everywhere. example linkbot, it has posted over 20000 posts and its only one month old account.
I think "World News" and "Technology" are not quite similar communities. It's up to the mods of each community to decide whether the content posted is appropriate to that community. One could argue, that an article about Threads is not exactly "World News" though. Also I think that the different variants of e.g. Technology will have a "flavor" of the instance that it's hosted on. You then get the option to subscribe only to the flavors you like, or if you subscribe to all, then there's bound to be some duplicates. Maybe some future feature could combine them - it would need to be clear which comment threads are from which instance though.
personally I'm more annoyed that there are several "Technology" communities and several "World News" communities, rather than World News and Technology sharing a similar topic.
Just pick one. They mostly have the same content anyway. I know ideally they should be different (for instance, Beehaw communities are more heavily moderated), but for Lemmy.world and Lemmy.ml the difference is so small it's not worth the hassle.
Maybe some future feature could combine them
Crossposting already exists. That way you have one "main post" and a couple of openly linked crossposts in other communities that redirect to the main post, which makes it easy to filter out "duplicates" as the posts are already bundled in a way. There is no reason to make the same "main post" multiple times.
...and if you meant to combine the comment sections across all communities and instances into a single big comment cluster linked to the main post, then please keep in mind that different communities have different rules. A comment made from a user in Community 1 might be appropiate in Community 1 but inappropiate in Community 2 where the post also appears. How would you moderate this if all comments appeared in both Community 1 and 2 at the same time?
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Eh, it's a benefit and a drawback. For those of us that don't use browsers to access lemmy, crossposting is much harder for one thing. Then you've got bots and people that don't even know that crossposting exists at all.
But, the ability to choose which communities you block and thus streamline your feed is too big a benefit to really be infuriating in natural general. Once there's a built in way to migrate block lists, it'll be even less infuriating.
But yeah, you gotta block the bots that don't crosspost correctly, or they're utter spam machines. If users behave as bots, gotta block them too. It sucks, but it's miles better than trying to artificially limit communities.
Its not really surprising to see duplicate from what are basically all 'general-purpose' instances. Merging duplicate posts into one would be a great solution.
Each instance can have their own rules and mods, I have already encountered power tripping mods on lemmy.world, I can choose other instances with the same threads with different mods.
It's a UI issue and not really an issue with how Fediverse communities work, if the same link is posted in multiple communities it should ideally show you only one of them in your feed. The user would be able to specify how he wants to discriminate between the same links: most recent one, most active one etc... It shouldn't be difficult to do at the UI level.
Which one? Most upvotes? Highest total score? Most interacted with (e.g. most comments)? The instance you visit the most? Some combination of these?
That could be a user setting, just like you specify how you want to rank the threads in your feed, you could specify also how to discriminate between threads that are sharing the same link: you could say you want the most recent one for example. Again, this could easily be done at the UI level.
its not a UI issue when there are comments from 10 different communities.
there are comments from 10 different communities
And that is IMO a false problem. It is perfectly okay to have completely different discussions around the same link, just like currently you can have the same link shared on Reddit, Hacker News and other link aggregators and you obviously end up with completely different discussions around the same link.
This whole "there's too much fragmentation" drama is IMO a false problem raised by people who don't fully understand that the Fediverse does not mean that you will have one single big entity with synchronized rules and one single community per topic globally. It means that you will have something like multiple independently run "forums", with different vibes and potentially different moderation rules, and users in federated "forums" can easily hop from one to another with the same account. It doesn't mean that you'll have one single large Reddit replacement with communities that are deemed "similar" forcibly merged to prevent the false problem of "fragmentation".
The internet would be in a completely sorry state if only one forum per topic was allowed.
It seems useful to have bots serial posting for a while, within some limits.
These forums have a chicken and egg problem - need posts to get commentors, need the commentors to incintivise posters. Also just need content in general to get any readers.
But I'm in general agreement that recently the feeds haven't been too smooth on Lemmy and that take a lot away from the browsing experience.
If these are serial reporting, Threads is down by a factor of 8. Could be more. Antelope FWY 1/128 mile.
You probably have to stick to one of the communities. That's what I do to avoid this kind of issues.
I hate that. I wished there was a way to block terms or hide all previous posts so that you can hide a whole lot of them that you're not interested in reading.
I do it, and honestly I wish there was a way to post a "Connect" Post or something that would appear to the three I post to
There is a cross post button. It adds a link under the post when opened to show other communities it has been cross posted to, but it doesn't solve the original problem.
Yeah that's what I use, but when I post to Dungeon and Dragon, and TTRPG if someone is part of those they will see two times my post :/ but if Communities linked to a post where like a tag on the post, the same post would be showed In both communities but it would stay the same post, but maybe that's approaching what Mastodon is and not Lemmy
There is discussion on going at !news@lemmy.world currently about new rules. Users posting the same story from the same source will be blocked by an automod. I asked about users posting the same story from different sources, and apparently that's absolutely fine. So expect this problem to get a lot worse before steps have to be taken to make it better :/
I don't see the issue, it's not a duplicate post, it's 3 separate posts by the same person into different communities.
There are a lot of bots still here so I wouldn't be all that surprised.
Conversely I'm having the similar issue of blocking one community but then different communities with the same name and content still appear on my feed as if I never blocked them at all. Like playing whack-a-mole.
I don't think this is all that dissimilar from how Reddit was though if you were subscribed to two world news subreddits and two technology subreddits. I think the key is picking out the more popular communities and only subscribing to those. Eventually the goal would be for the less popular communities to fizzle out in favor of bigger communities.