US targets TP-Link with a potential ban on the Chinese routers
The incoming Trump administration could take action next year.
TP-link is reportedly being investigated over national security concerns linked to vulnerabilities in its very popular routers.
We have this really great approach to security where we allow the adversary to infiltrate a huge portion of our infrastructure for years and at many different levels, and then we say "hm, maybe we shouldn't be allowing this?"
Almost like it has less to do with security and more to do with securitization of economic competition.
If you really think this is just about economic competition, you're very wrong.
The FBI didn't recommend using encrypted messaging apps because our infrastructure being compromised is no biggie.
These are computers manufactured by and in a foreign country that's expressed mutual hostility to the US. Computers follow instructions and manufacturers are in the best positioning to add custom instructions like "if you receive this instruction, brick yourself."
After the cyber attacks in the last decade people should realize crypto scammers aren't the only one's that have an interest in shutting down important infrastructure.
Does it matter now? The alternatives are either Chinese companies, made in China, or filled with Chinese parts.
I'll give China credit, they've stitched everyone else right up, and we slurped it down because we're a sucker for cheap shit.
You can buy plenty of American made routers and other hardware that isn't quite as shady. But like you said, we love our cheap shit here, and don't give its malicious intent a second thought.
And no, it does not matter now, that's sort of my point. Pandora's box has been opened.
Well its just natural for coubtries to do this at this point when they dont like each other
In an off topic, I often prefer a open hardware router like raspberry pi router as it gives me control! For me it's safer to use as documentation is open like pfsense and openwrt.
The US government is just upset because it’s harder to place back doors in non-US hardware. It’s a US national security concern to NOT have US back doors in devices.
That's not all. The US government exists to look out for the interests of wealthy americans.
Every dollar spent on a different nation is a dollar that could've been spent on them, in their eyes.
American business owners know that China is competitive because they can provide better products at cheaper prices. Americans would need to invest in making their products better or lower prices to compete with China. Both result in lower profits for owners.
This is why we will never stop seeing FUD against products that offer us a better deal than those looking to exploit us further. It's more profitable to convince useful idiots to "buy american" than it is to actually sell them products worth buying at competitive prices.
Countries like China, Germany, Taiwan, etc. have competitive exports because they have direct and indirect subsidies to their manufacturing sectors at the expense of their household sector.
Some of these subsidies include a weak currency relative to their economy, weakened labour laws, preferential interest rates, capital controls, labour movement restrictions, etc.
China uses all of these. Germany primarily used the Hartz "reforms" which basically decoupled wage growth from productivity and GDP growth.
The reduces the household share of national income and they cannot afford to consume the production of their manufacturing sector and therefore the excess production must be exported.
And China probably also installs backdoors
Running OpenWRT is generally a good idea. I’m not gonna lie and say it’s easy to setup. But it’s worth it.
It's a good idea, but there's going to be firmware at lower levels (roughly the BIOS) that could still be compromised. It's best to just not buy Chinese hardware designed and manufactured by a Chinese company with no western involvement when you can avoid it.
I’m not sure, but with routers, I think OpenWRT installs/flashes at the firmware level. There could be hardware level vulnerabilities I suppose.
In the case of Lenovo laptops used in Iraq (2004), China had additional hardware chips snooping and sending data back via Ethernet cable.
I'd personally hope they just force open sourcing their firmwares if they want to stay in the market. I really like my Omada stuff, ubiquiti is just a tough pill to swallow on price.
They (FCC) forced firmwares being signed so nobody can install their own on the off chance it unlocks TX power or frequencies not allowed by FCC.
I honestly like the GL.iNet approach in terms of software which is kinda like Android.
I recently bought their Flint 2 (GL-MT6000) based on multiple recommendations online when looking for a router that supports OpenWRT. That's preinstalled, with AdGuard Home and WireGuard VPN on top of it. I'm looking forward to set it up and play around with it.
What do you exactly mean when you describe their approach in software as Android-like? That it's easy to install services in OpenWRT?
So who tf is left who makes good wireless routers? When I bought my tp-link it was top rated and recommended by everyone.
Yeah, most of those sites end up recommending the same brands over and over, which causes people to buy them and talk about them. I don't want to say, a scam, but it feels... scummy.
They never talk about other brands like Ubiquiti. Which isn't a perfect brand either, but I've never seen it compared. Or even a low end Netgate. It's always TP-Link, Asus, Netgear, Linksys, or D-Link... the same brands that have existed for the last 20 years offering crap. But Ubiquiti, Hawking, Belkin, etc. you basically never see.
I just googled it. Top 3 sites were wired.com, pcmag.com, and reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking (with a top comment pointing to cnet.com and nytime.com). And if you guessed TP-Link was recommended no.1 on all of them, you'd be right. To me, with the absolute garbage reviews on all of them, and the stupidity small sample size, it feels like TP-Link just buys the reviews because customers will read the reviews and buy their garbage. There was a mattress company that did something very similar years ago. The deck is stacked against customers.
And especially scummy, is TP-Link offers some cheaply made, highly marked up garbage that underperforms. They also are notorious for not delivering consistent updates to their routers. Maybe one or two updates, and they certainly don't care if all the features don't work. Just looked up one I bought from them before I wised up, the Archer C5400. 2 updates on a $200 router, that came highly recommended. Checked the v2, and also just 2 updates. I doubt it'll ever see another.
On top of their terrible support and pathetic hardware... they also moved to a cloud SaaS config model. They want you to sign up for an account and use TP-Link Tether. Here's something written up 3 years ago on [reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/tbthjj/psa_newer_tplink_routers_send_all_your_web/}
My general suggestion for most people who want something that just works and is easy to use... the Ubiquiti Dream router isn't a bad option. It's not the best, but if you don't want to really get into how networking works, it's a good option.
I'm a techie, but I'm past the point where I want to tinker and mess with my stuff for hours or days to get it up and running. I'm sure the enterprise grade options are better, but I just want some plug and play option that at least allows me access to the more detailed stuff if needed. This looks like a solid recommend.
I gave up on TP-Link. I will never purchase any consumer router from them again. Little to no updates, connection issues that were made worse with an update, features REMOVED with an update, settings wouldn't always stick, which results in a factory reset to get it to do anything. WPA3 just doesn't work. It even would "mysteriously" turn it's DHCP server back on, no matter how many times I turned it off, when it was in AP mode. Friend had the same model and most of the same issues.
I have had better luck with the other brands, but I feel like most of them suck or cost way more than they should.
Just get an enterprise grade router (e.g. Mikrotik) and a separate AP (e.g. Ubiquiti).
law that prohibits attempts at monopolies
Why hasn't this law been used before for so many other things, like all cash burn tech startups such as Uber, etc? Genuine question not being sarcastic...
Well in my country uber isn't a monopoly because it eexists indrive and others also actually I think there's a healthy competition
Wait until they hear where all electronics come from. Are they gonna ban Apple?
Apple has been slowly shifting production to India for years now, and the software is made domestically.
More importantly, the hardware is designed and inspected by Apple’s engineers. Security vulnerabilities would be Apple’s failure regardless of the origin of the parts.
I am from India actually, long way to go honestly.
Also Vietnam, there is a lot of Apple hardware made there now.
If that happens and the factory layoffs come, those nets are gonna be full
Someone in the comment section posted a good question. Which specific routers that TP-Link makes are the issue?
Is it all routers that they make or is this just because they are selling inexpensive routers that have become a large part of the US market?
Does someone have an article that isn’t biased one way or the other that gives a list of effected routers ?
Which specific routers that TP-Link makes are the issue?
They are presumably talking about CovertNetwork-1658 and the reason there's no list of routers is because no one has publicly described the vulnerability that is being leveraged.
My guess is that the vulnerability is present on most of their routers. I'm basing that opinion on the fact that previous CVEs issues against TP-LINK have impacted their most popular product lines like Archer and Deco.
It's possible that this is related to CVE-2024-21833 which was open in January of 2024, update in July of 2024, then updated again in late November of 2024.
Does someone have an article that isn’t biased one way or the other
We're literally inside an imperial core.
that gives a list of effected routers ?
If there was a list of effected routers, TP-Link would most likely have patched them.
They don't care. They want to ban TP-Link as a company, routers are just an excuse.
This is the same people that keep blocking US gdpr legislation, so we know for a fact they don't care about us, they just care about not being able to spy themselves.
maybe the us should try actually investing in their own infrastructure instead of just relying on rabid xenophobia and sinophobia
Makes sense.
Insert meme: Throws out of the window~
Damn, maybe we should have some kind of privacy law that could have prevented this behavior from ever being allowed in the first place.
So they're going to flush the TP?
Why so late ? Of course this should have been zone before. It's a question of sécurité.
So many MSPs are gonna panic if tplink is banned
When your router's chips are made in China, flashed in China with closed source firmware and the money you pay goes to Chinese companies, then it's backdoored.
When your router's chips are made in China, flashed in China with closed source firmware and the money you pay goes to American companies, it's bulletproof.
Just open your "secure" "American" router and look where they are made and flashed. I bet it's not USA.
Joe Biden has turned out to be the most fascist president in recent memory. He even supports fascism abroad. When a president supports a country that blocks a certain denomination of religion, bans a whole language, and bans political parties, using Nazee propaganda as a recruitment marketing, while having no democracy. What can you say? Then he supports ethnic cleansing to make Lebensraum for another ethnic group. What a sick man this chap is and completely incompetent. Now he is banning things made by Chinese people, if that isn't racist, I don't know what is. The only thing he is exceptional at is getting others killed. Good riddance. One thing for sure, there will be no justice.
