and we thought our thing with beans was bad

Ah yeah, I've had an interaction with that anti-vegan user before, and let me tell ya, if you want to speedrun vegan bingo... ideal discussion partner right there.

The happy animals one is hilarious. I would have no problem with someone eating me after I died and I sure as shit am not happy
- Ah yes. That one is the one where every interlocutor happens to only eat meat "from their uncles farm with 3 cows on 40 acres of pasture, where they're hand-scrubbed by cherubs while eating figs."
- I don't care about my corpse after I'm dead, but I do somewhat disagree with getting killed.
The "Vegans are loud and annoying" crowd are more loud and annoying than actual vegans in my personal experience.
- Often when society had an extreme default position on a topic, its defenders sound batshit insane.
  
  See:
  
  Gay and trans rights
  
  Reproductive rights
  
  Veganism
  
  Unregulated capitalism
  
  Homelessness
- So true. I'm not vegan, but someone proudly yelling about how much meat they eat is so fucking cringe. Very "suck it, libs" mindset.
- But you probably won't get called a murderer 20 seconds into the discussion though.
35 points for Ravenclaw for the provision of the vegan bingo.
That link is a really cool resource, thanks!
It took me a whole 24 hours to realise that the person having a weird, inconsistent, fact-swerving argument with me (about my assertion that most male cattle are killed young for meat) was the original one from the screenshot!
- My last time talking to them, they were arguing that the use of the word "exploitation" in the vegan society's definition of veganism simply meant "use" because that's a thesaurus entry for exploitation. When their argument breaks down they go full on "words are just invented".
TIL there's a bingo TLD.
I'm not even sure if that bingo is supposed to be pro-vegan or anti-vegan ...
- When I was a young vegling, I spent some time doing "outreach" on r/DebateAVegan (air quotes because it often felt about as impactful as having a wank), and you'd see those bingo arguments being used earnestly ALL THE TIME.
  
  I actually did occasionally get some fairly novel and thought provoking stuff, from time to time, but mostly it was explaining the basics of biology or econ to people like in OP's example.
politely raises hand

While I think factory farming is abhorrent, I find the most compelling reasons to eat plant-based to be the environmental ones. Therefore, I think "I only eat a little bit of meat" is actually a huge positive step someone can take. If your primary concern regarding meat is the cruelty of taking the life of another animal, that's completely valid, but compared to the others, that square just feels out of place.
- depends on the context, on the bingo, i interpret it as "i don't want to go vegan, i only eat a little meat anyways"
Almonds are bad for bees? Huh
I'm not antivegan
- Unequivocally, yes you are, and at that, you're one of the most agonizingly stubborn and disinformed ones I've ever talked to.
  
  Edit: Sharing this conversation here in the context of them being banned from /c/vegan so users can understand how completely full of shit this user is (yes, their actual argument they started at /c/vegan is that vegans starting from a position of "humans have rights" is a flawed position to start from and thus invalidates their argument for veganism):
  
  Edit 2: Oh, and they have this thing where they like to reply to a single comment with several comments while claiming it's because they "don't want to engage in a Gish gallop" (paraphrased), meanwhile facilitating a Gish gallop by making an unfollowable branching tree of comments.

Transcribing the conversation here:

Recessa, ↑4 ↓1: That's completely idiotic, milk exist because there's demand for it.

commie, ↑1 ↓4: I think you understand that milk is produced as part of the mammalian reproductive cycle. can you describe the causal steps between demanding milk and it's production?

friendlymessage, ↑3 ↓2: Do you think dairy cattle just randomly spawns on the planetary surface?

commie, ↑1 ↓3: do you think there's a direct causal link between drinking milk and more being produced?

friendlymessage, ↑3: Are you fucking with me?

commie, ↑2 ↓3: no. I'm trying to illustrate that markets are not governed by natural law; they are populated by irrational actors.

friendlymessage, ↑2 ↓1: Yeah, but they're not as irrational as you are and producing milk costs money. If there's no market, they will stop because they are not fuckin lunatics and they don't have infinite resources

commie, ↑2 ↓2: milk was farmed before markets existed. there is no reason to believe that will ever stop.

friendlymessage, ↑3 ↓1: That... must be the dumbest discussion I've had in a while. Please read through your comments tomorrow when you're sober

commie, ↑1 ↓1: I've been sober all day.

friendlymessage, ↑1: Okay, whatever you say

commie, ↑1 ↓2: everything I've said is true. you're objecting to reality, and being pretty shitty about it to me.

friendlymessage, ↑2: No, you're just making a no sensical argument at all. Milk was farmed from dairy cattle because it was consumed by humans. It's simple supply and demand. There is no rational argument at all that if mankind stopped consuming milk, it would still be farmed. Why would any farmer go through the effort to upkeep cows and keep them impregnanted to make them produce milk if they cannot trade it or won't consume it? Yes, humans have free will but they won't produce stuff with very high effort just for fun. Except maybe very sick minds that just enjoy animal cruelty. And you won't elaborate what your actual point is anyway.

Also, not that it matters, but you're arguing that dairy farming existed before the market is simply wrong. There has been trade between human civilizations long before we started domesticating animals.

There's a common misunderstanding among a lot of .ml folks that markets are a capitalist thing and if you just don't call them that then they don't exist.
- Obviously nobody drank milk in the USSR shitlib
- Everyone knows that history starts at the industrial revolution and no one had went "hey I'll give you two goats if you give me some salt" before that.
- ... they're not a .ml user
  
  Also it's just untrue lol? We know markets predate capitalism, I'd be surprised to find anyone disagreeing
Thank you for your service o>
Appreciate it but your comment got auto corrected on two instances of "causal" to "casual" by commie.
- Oh, I don't use autocorrect, so that was probably my mistake. Fixed it now!

"I've been sober all day." is my new comeback when someone insults my intelligence in an argument.

I like how the wording may imply that being sober that particular day might be in contrast to other days.
- I’ve so been all day

Both of those people are morons. One for making the argument, the other for engaging in the argument.

Me, yesterday
- Just went back to that thread. The discussion continued for 4 more hours after I stopped responding, and no, it did not go anywhere. That was definitely worth everyone's time
- also me
some rhetorical hills were not meant to be treaded, much less died upon
- Weird hill to die on, but at least you're dead.

Reading that kinda hurts my brain

What's the causal link between that comment being created and your brain hurting? Brains have hurt since before comment sections existed.
- That’s why I have headaches every day
- disagree, comment sections are the literal antichrist

1000007476

this is 1/100th of the insanity that happened on the reddit sub r/milk
I'm pretty sure there was a riot because the mods said almond milk was allowed or something like that

I love drinking almond milk right from the almond nipple

I like milk

No you don’t; that’s not possible. You don’t actually know what you like. How could your brain evaluate its own desires? And if you think you do, you’re wrong.
- Blizzard, is that you?
Have you tried pilk?
Fuck you
- No, fuck you

Mr. President there has been another cat food incident

a second low-tier vegan talking point has hit the servers

im so happy the comment section here isnt deranged anti-vegan

well, its nice to eat healthy, but you dont need to call people names.

Milk is the best part of the woman

That explains why mine was so unapetizing.

Vegan cat food

You: hates milke because it is unethical

Me: hates milk because it is fucking disgusting.

We are not the same

me fr: hates milk because IT CURDLES SO FAST WHAT THE HELL JUST LET ME DRINK IT I BOUGHT THIS YESTERDAY
- Had this start happening and got a new fridge, didn't happen anymore. Do your veggies also spoil quickly? If so, your fridge likely be bork.

Is almond milk milk tho?

only if hot dogs are sandwiches
- Fuck you and happy cake day
- Hot dogs are tacos.
- Hotdog are basically lazy subways, therefore, they are sandwiches.
  
  Don't show me that stupid diagram. Nice meme but I can't comprehend people unironically use that as real reference for how foods are categorized.
Nut juice.

Edit: 🍆💦
Yes because it serves the same purposes.
Get that shit out of here, always curdling when I put it in anything…
- Oat milk then!
Technially i don't call it milk, because you can't milk an almond or a soybean or a oat

Damn, I didn't make the screenshot.

make no mistake being in this thread is not a mark of honor lmao
Wanna swap?

Shit like this is the exact goddamn reason I left Reddit holy fuck.

You realize we're pretty much the same species here in Lemmy right?
- Search your feelings, you know it to be true!

https://catbox.moe/faq.php

It looks like there are a few ISPs, countries, and general blacklists that block them. Explains why my firewall and DNS filters are catching it. Oh well. I can look more into fixing it later if it really becomes an issue.

It also seems to just generally be slow sometimes. This time it loaded instantly but often it takes a couple of tries and a good amount of patience lol

Production do be existing cause of demand tho

Exhibit A: Cheese.

It took me way too long to admit that the poster was talking about production as in "is being produced by nature without human interference" and not "humans produce it because humans want it"
- Naw, they think that a reduction in demand would not reduce supply. As to why anyone would keep making production levels of milk to rot away with no buyers? They need to see it to believe it.
- Ohhhh. Thanks
- that is not what i was saying

I like cow milk with My coffee.

"Loncoleche the hace bien"

- loncoleche.

would love to know what this means
- A jingle I can't get out of my head.
  
  "Lonco-milk is good for you"
  
  - lonco-milk.

I would just like to bring up that most equestrians don't farm their horses milk. Without demand it would probably be similar

I won’t be able to find it now but I found an excellent copy pasta on a milk related post about RFK Jr.

I am happy I live in ireland, the standard for milk and stuff seems to be higher here.
r-slur spotted, comment ignored.

I milk oats

How do you actually see the image? I just get "glide failed to grab image". I tried to open the link directly and get connection error too. Not the first time I have experienced this on posts, but trying to figure out if the image was taken down or if the image is actually blocked.

its hosted on catbox.moe my instance was having a bad day for image uploads

sad to say everything is working for me so its something on your end

I'm gonna need you to crop your memes my guy. This is a violation.

the joke is the bad crop/wall of text
- Oh! It hurts me.

Was gonna make a blizzard joke here, but this person is so intellectual that they wouldn't get the low-grade humor, or how milk production before markets only works if everyone works a single farm, and cannot work if the population is scaled up.