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  • The whole thing is just very strange once you actually start to think about it. So "sins" (btw what even is this concept, some sort of supernatural criminal legal system? who decides what is a "sin" and why does this authority have jurisdiction over me when i don't even get a vote? what if i just decide to go all "sovereign citizen" instead?) can be wiped clean with (pseudo-)human sacrifice, and not only does it indiscriminately apply to all past "sins" but somehow all future ones?

    Doesn't make much sense to me, but what do i know, i'm no expert in taking fantasy literature way too seriously theologian.

    Also, I never asked Jesus to do that for me, that's kind of presumptuous of him to just assume i'd want that. It's like someone saying "well i just did this thing for you completely unprompted that you never asked for nor wanted, but because it's such a "nice", selfless thing i did, you now owe me eternal gratitude". Sounds a bit narcissistic tbh, sounds like incel behavior. It's like, nah dog, you getting your ass crucified, that's on you, don't try and make it my problem.

    • Funniest theological implication of it is that christians do have to sin in order for his sacrifice to not be meaningless. But they did caught out this bug at some point but the patch have even less sense, being the concept of original sin. It's also pretty cruel while the other interpretation would make Jesus somewhat cool guy for a deity, who allow people some sin as a treat.

    • I love the last paragraph

  • It probably feels like a cop-out, but one could hypothetically respond by saying that the temporary loss of the son sufficed in the Almighty's eyes. He could have drowned everybody on Earth, much like in the book of Genesis, but in His mercy He toned down the penalty to one temporary sacrifice, which has impressed millions. He could have made a sacrifice of a more permanent nature (as a few Christians believe), but that would have complicated His benevolence.

    Not a perfect explanation by any means, but I am no Christian, so I am not the best source to consult on this. My own view of the matter is more complicated...

    • also being god he could just get over his own ego

    • in His mercy He toned down the penalty to one temporary sacrifice

      well...an immortal being should be further than the pathetic needs or retribution that us the mortals have

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