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Will Republicans try another Federal Right to Work attempt?

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A quick Google search:
In the context of labor law in the United States, the term right-to-work laws refers to state laws that prohibit union security agreements between employers and labor unions.
And I still don't know what right-to-work laws are.
- Edit: I’m mixing up a at will employment with right to work. Sorry for the confusion. See updated comment below:
  Right to work: Joining a union and paying union dues can no longer be a requirement of employment. This slowly degrades the power of the union and ultimately reduces wages and benefits of the workers
  ~~Right to work~~ At will employment is: A right to be fired at any point for any reason or no reason at all
  The goal is to get around any union protections that require things like a legitimate reason to be fired from a job.
  It also has the added bonus of drastically reducing the benefits of unions and making them much easier to prevent.
  
  I love how we name laws that really mean the exact opposite of what their name implies. Very american.
  
  Being fired for any or no reason is at will employment.
  Right to work has nothing to do with that. It's about allowing people to not pay union dues. Those people are still protected by the union contract.
  
  The way I try to remember it is that it comes from the employers perspective:
  Right to Work employees to death by ignoring unions
  The employer has the right to fire workers At Will
  
  You're conflating "at will employment" with "right to work" laws.
  
  This slowly degrades the power of the union and ultimately reduces wages and benefits of the workers
  I'm not sure I buy into that - but that said I live in a country where unions are popular, but unions are not allowed to force people to join (but unions do have a right of access to workplaces to ask people to join / hold meetings).
  Firstly, it doesn't take that big a percentage of an employer's workforce to strike before a strike is effective... companies don't have a lot of surplus staff capacity just sitting around doing nothing. And they can't fire striking union workers for striking.
  Secondly, if all employees have to belong to one particular union, that also means the employees have no choice of which union, and hence no leverage over the union. Bad unions who just agree to whatever the employer asks and don't look after their members then become entrenched and the employees can't do much. If there are several unions representing employees, they can still unite and work together if they agree on an issue - but there is much more incentive for unions to act in the interests of their members, instead of just their leadership.
  A lack of guaranteed employee protections, on the other hand, is inexcusable - it's just wealthy politicians looking out for the interests of their donors in big business.
  
  I mix these two up as well - thanks for the clarification.
  
  No union I've ever been part of required me being in it in order to work at a place. It was always optional. So strange.
- right to work means you can have a job in a union shop without joining the union.
  My grandpa was a snow plow driver for the state of MN (retired sometimes in the 1990s), but as a republican was always opposed to the union. He still paid union dues, but they were reduced and kept in a separate fund by the union and only used for contract negotiations (important for him - he was a big republican and the union political funds of course donates to democrats). Since he wasn't a member of the union he couldn't vote on union leadership, but the leadership called him one of their best people there because he always attended the union meetings where contacts were discussed. As you can start to see not being a union member when there is a union is really complex weird. I'm sure there is more about this that I don't know about (one obvious thing - what if they voted to go on strike)
  
  I'm a union organizer, and by coincidence I live in MN, so this is my bread and butter.
  You pretty much nailed it, with the only exception that right-to-work laws allow everyone in the workplace, even members, to avoid paying dues entirely. As the map shows, MN is not one of those states though. We have different terms in organizing circles. We call states with right-to-work "free rider" states, and those without are called "fair share" states.
  Every union decides how they want to handle nonmembers outside of their legal obligations. My union is CWA, we don't allow nonmembers to have any say at all on union matters. This means no input on the bargaining survey, no bargaining update emails, no electing the executive board, no voting on the contract, no participation in committees, no admittance to most meetings, etc.
  one obvious thing - what if they voted to go on strike
  In both cases, regardless of free rider laws, nonmembers are not entitled to the strike fund. The dues equivalency your grandpa paid excluded the few cents for the strike fund and a few other union governance things like that. However, they can still participate in the strike.
  
  Public Sector unions are a bit different. Or were at least.
  See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janus_v._AFSCME
- They prevent you from having to join a union to work at a company. And you don't have to pay dues either.
  You can effectively benefit from the unions bargaining without supporting the union - which if enough people do that kills the union (the goal of the law).
- "Right to Work" simply means "Anti-Union".
- Hopefully, I’m not wrong, but basically unions typically require Members Pay dues out of income. Right to work essentially forbid that practice making do payments optional. Which drives down the union revenue
- Unions typically have an agreement where employees don’t have to join the union but they still have to pay a fee equivalent to union dues, and the employer can’t pay non-members more than union members, or other similar restrictions.
  The idea is to remove the ability for the employer to offer an advantage to non-members.
  TLDR it’s an essential part of making a functional union.
- Right to Work means you can have a union job but not join the union. You have the right to”right to work” without being a union member or paying any union dues. Generally it means you get all the benefits without contributing but also unions are usually a lot weaker since so many people opt out, so also the benefits are lesser. Because it is governed by state-level laws, details vary from state to state.
- Is it in Colorado? If it is, it's a good thing. If not, it's a bad thing. Right to work is a bad thing.
  
  Colorado does not have Right to Work
- That's the whole fucking point. The name sounds like its a good thing though, right? So I'm sure that means it's good...
  But no, "Right to Work," just means that employees are allowed to choose not to pay union dues (or even partial dues), despite receiving all of the benefits of being in that collective bargaining bloc. This is meant to starve the union and eventually kill it.
  If a workplace unionizes, all employees at that level become part of the same collective bargaining bloc (by necessity), and the union will protect them and bargain on their behalf. If you want to work in that position, you have to be a member of the union at some level (unless you are a government employee since the Janus SCOTUS decision).
  "Right to work" is provided under the guise of giving the employee more freedom, but in reality, it is just an underhanded way of killing unions.
  Probably just made it more confusing but hopefully not.

lol "Right to Work" - Conservatives love to use "freedom" words when they ban or restrict something. If they instituted the death penalty for criticizing the government it would be the "Freedom From Putting Up With Whining" Bill.
- No, that would be called "right to die with dignity"
  Even though that means the opposite of what it means anywhere else (euthanasia)
- It's not your right to (do) work. It's the employer's right to (have) work (provided to them at low cost). So you're absolutely right about the FFPUWW.

Right to Bow To Employer's Whim laws you mean?
- Yes, will they try it again?
  
  Try it? They'll enshrine it in the constitution with the control they have now.

"right to work" is the same bullshit nomenclature as 'pro-life' programs that lead to womens deaths.
its lies to convince the common man to vote against their best interests.

Let me make this easy for everyone.
If something is detrimental to average Americans and beneficial to the wealthy, Republicans will absolutely attempt to do it.
That is a fullproof formula.
The part that's hard to wrap your mind around is how average Americans can be so stupid as to elect them despite this being an easily provable fact.
- That is a fullproof formula.
  Bone apple tea to you my good sir
- Missouri voted to amend their state constitution to enshrine abortion rights, and also voted in Republicans into national seats and the white house which is most likely going to result in a national abortion ban that overrides the state constitution.
  People are morons.
- I'll tell you exactly how. They've purposely gutted our education system.
- Uh, I think you mean "fool-proof". Also, the US clearly keeps inventing more easily-conned fools...

They're onto killing a bigger fish: The National Labor ~~Review~~ Relations Board.
- Relations not review

What is a right to work law?
- It's an orwellian term for a package of anti-worker and anti-union laws. The centerpiece where the name comes from is making it illegal for a union shop to require workers to pay union dues.
  
  It's not your right to (do) work. It's the employer's right to (have) work (provided to them at low cost).
- Also called "at will" employment. The employer can fire you "at will" and you have the "right to work" somewhere else.
  What it actually is is a union busting law. You have the "right to work" for an employer without being required to join a union. Generally this means being covered by any collective bargaining agreement but not paying the union dues. Which means the union collapses because it can't afford to keep itself running. These are the laws that collapsed the American trade union movement.
  
  "At will" and "right to work" are two different laws. You accurately described "at will employment." "Right to work" laws make it illegal for unions to mandate the dues that you would pay them. It effectively defunding and disempowering unions.
  According to Wikipedia, "In the context of labor law in the United States, the term right-to-work laws refers to state laws that prohibit union security agreements between employers and labor unions. Such agreements can be incorporated into union contracts to require employees who are not union members to contribute to the costs of union representation."

Srsly? They'll never stop, any more than the pope will become a Muslim.

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- Thank you so much, this is what I was looking for.
  
  Happy to help!

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