Do you want the murderer of the UnitHealthcare CEO prosecuted?

If he gets caught, then I'd say yes. Murder should be treated as murder regardless of what the reason is. Making exceptions is never a good idea.

I just hope he doesn't get caught.

Maybe get a fine for .0005% of their net worth. You know, so they don’t do it again.

That’s how it works, right?

This is a good question from the wrong angle. This event is cathartic for many people because the ultra rich who ruin countless lives never get punished. When they see “consequences” it’s a golden parachute. This event is frustrating because the media, legal, and security apparatuses expect us to treat this assassination as a grave act, but actively normalize the acts of harm Thompson and other leaders like him commit every day.

This event is revealing in stark terms the divide between the elite and the average person. Should murderers be prosecuted? Sure - in a world where justice and the rule of law matter for everyone equally. Doesn’t feel like we live in that world.

🎵🎶 jury nullification 🎵🎶

Do you want to see the people who killed Osama Bin Laden prosecuted?
Because the United Heath CEO killed far more people, including many more children, than Bin Laden did on 9/11.

Why is violence legal when the government does it but not for regular people who have exhausted their peaceful options? Escalation of force gets justified all the time for cops and waging wars.

Yes, I do.

I want the state to make it crystal clear that this guy was the shooter. That he did it. That he had no legal justification to do it. That his actions were undeniably criminal, and that his crime was clearly premeditated.

And then I want a jury of his peers to return a "not guilty" verdict, and every scumbag business executive across the country suddenly deciding to take an early retirement.

His jury can't return that not guilty verdict if he isn't prosecuted.

If he's caught we should elect him president so he doesn't have to go to jail.

Sometimes people provide a public service to humanity is very dark ways. Do not turn this guy in.

Yes, hell yes.

Get this man in a court room. Let the prosecutors spend weeks trying to find a jury where no one (or any of their relatives and friends) has been fucked over for life because of shitty insurance.

Let them talk about how unstoppable, determined, and committed the defendant was.

And then have the jury nullify the case.

It would be a good day to be alive.

Jury selection question to weed out biased jurors: "Have you ever had a claim that was unfairly denied?"

Weeks later: "We have been unable to find enough jurors to try the case."

If the CEOs that are responsible for price gouging and cutting services in the American health insurance system aren’t held responsible than this guy shouldn’t be either.

No. I hope he's never found. I hope it destroys the careers of all the cops and politicians blowing shitloads of resources looking for him while they barely look at crimes against normal people. I hope all these insurance executives wake up in a cold sweat every night worrying that they'll be next. That's what's best for the world.

I want to see a trial.

I also want to start a go fund me for his or her legal defence find.

I’d love to see a well funded law firm make the argument that the shooter acted in defence of self and others and drag all of UHC bullshit under a very large and uncomfortable deposition microscope to prove the CEO was responsible for letting people die.

Maybe we could even start putting these health insurance CEOs on trial for all the wrongful deaths they’re causing without needing someone to take justice into their own hands first.

Absofuckinglutely not. I want him to never be found and continue to off health insurance CEOs one by one until we get universal healthcare like the rest of the developed world. And after he’s through with them there’s a whole list of other rich assholes that the world would be better off without, starting with the defense contractors.

Yes. I want the story of how United screwed them and their loves ones. I want thousands of families screwed by United to go as witness and tell their stories.

And hopefully the jury will find any evidence inconclusive.

I'd like the CEO prosecuted post-mortem, and any charges transmitted equally to any and all other policy-makers at UHC.

Yes, in a world where judges can't be bought and criminals don't get Epstein'd.

I want fair justice as much fair justice can be attained by humanity. But in that kind of world, this type of murderer wouldn't exist in the first place.

Theoretically: no.

In practice, in the world we're living in? Hell no.

Any attempt to prosecute the killer would simply add to the advantage the ruling class already have, and be basically an injustice by definition no matter how "by the book" could it have been approached in the otherwise wondrful and illusory world of theory.

Murderer? What murderer? The CEO tripped while carrying a gun and accidentally shot himself twice in the back 🤫

Id like to see trump face ramifications before this guy.

Nope.

If Trump can get alway with almost all of his bullshit, if the Supreme Court can just hurr durr away a hundred + years of legal precedent, then this whole system is bullshit.

Anybody that is charge of or oversees the systemic application of violence toward great numbers of people, who is legally allowed to do so, in a system where the common person has 0 chance of ever altering this system to police itself and actually enact justice by preventing said person from doing that and prosecuting them for their crimes against the people...

Anyone in such a position should be afraid, should keep suffering consequences until theyfinally figure out that they need to acquiesce to a reformation of the system, need to stop fucking over millions for the grotesque enrichment of thousands.

When the game is rigged against you, play by your own rules, otherwise you guarantee your own defeat.

If they prosecute healthcare CEO's first then yeah i'd be ok with it

An answer to a different question, but if he gets caught I hope that the media gives him the same treatment as school shooters; plastering his image everywhere, distributing his manifesto and transforming him into an antihero.

Update: It's happening!

No. I hope he is never found

If he gets caught, yes. I want to believe in the process of our law. And part of our laws support jury nullification. Now whether or not i would personally vote to convict/nullify is something I've been reflecting on and I'm not sure how i would vote. I do believe murder is wrong, but im also interested to know the actual data behind how many people died because claims were denied by united health group. We have two murderers, one who blatantly broke the law and one who did it within the law to make 22 billion in profit in 2023. How many people died to make that profit? And do those deaths make murder right? Idk.

You're asking the wrong question.

This is a story about two people. One committed an enormous act of violence and another person shot that person.

The question is: should the CEO have been prosecuted for his violent crimes?

Hear me out before you rage:

In theory? I believe that killings warrant investigation, prosecution and trial, no matter their intention, though the intention should factor into the result of the process. I want him to be prosecuted with the same intensity as any other killing would be, and if found, given a fair trial, convicted for whatever charge applies, as would be proper for a functioning judicial system. But then I'd want to see him pardoned as political expression of his popular support (and the fact that his victim was part of a deeply inhuman complex of exploitation).

In practice? I hope they never find him. Appropriate intensity of investigation? Orderly arrest? Fair treatment as prisoner? Fair trial? Fair charges? Fair conviction? Fat chance. Pardoned? Not even a chance.

I want him to go without punishment more than I want to hope for a fair process, and I couldn't believe in the latter in any case.

Yes, and I want him found innocent by a jury of his peers.

But we all know the police are going to shoot him 17 times in the back in self defense if they find him

I want the executives, boards, and shareholders that effectively murder millions every year to be prosecuted.

No, I hope they never find him.

No. If murdering cops can get away with it, so should someone who killed a guy who has indirectly killed millions through the racket that is health insurance.

Yes, in a rule-of-law state a fair trial with a just outcome is mandatory. You can't just go around and kill people. If he lost a loved one to unfair practices of the insurance, that needs to be taken into account during trial.

The best example for a justice system working is a case we had in Germany in the 70s. A child rapist and murderer was shot in court by the mother during trial. She was then prosecuted but didn't have to go to jail due to the circumstances of the case. Her being tried and prosecuted means the case was closed without any loophole having to be used.

No. He did the right thing.

There is no justice in the US right now. Why bother holding this person accountable when we can't even hold the highest position in the land accountable for their crimes. The social fabric is unraveling.

I think if they catch him they sort of have to. It's up to the police to drag their heels investigating if they want to avoid that.

It will be interesting to see if jury nullification comes into play if he gets caught and there is a trial. Would at least 1/12 jurors refuse to convict despite the law? The main facebook post about the CEO's death has a 26-1 ratio of laughing emoji to crying emoji...

no.

I don't even care about his motives.

only reason why, that CEO jackass never allowed thousands if not millions of his customers to defend their right to care. the system he built, maintained, and expanded denied people their justice.

for that reason, and that reason alone, he and his family should have their justice denied.

No, I just want to shake hands with this guy.

Honestly, no.

Not that I'm saying it's okay to just murder folks, but, with the amount of people the people of his class have killed (either via policies or just the general fucked up shit they do), it seems hypocritical. This man was making 10mil a year killing his customers to fatten his pockets. More money than he could ever spend and still wanted more, like all of them do. People have been killed for less, by police, with them only getting paid leave, so why should I be up in arms now when they called me a terrorist for protesting, when they said "my kind" are damaging the country. People have tried to be reasonable for far too long imo, but the oligarchs just tell us to wait for the trickle down.

They can wait for my fucks to trickle down 🤷🏿‍♀️

I know the mods on lemmy.world are deleting posts educating US citizens on their legal right to nullification if they're appointed to a jury, but I'll say it anyway. You can simply just refuse to find someone guilty, even if there's every bit of evidence and a video recorded confession.

Not really. Obviously murder is wrong but the rich and powerful deserve a boogeyman.

I want it treated like every other murder in New York. I want the police to spend 5 minutes pretending to look for the perpetrator, shrug their shoulders, say "nothing could be done, thoughts and prayers", then throw this into the perpetually growing pile of unsolved murders and move on with their day.

That's what they do when anyone else in the city or state is murdered, this guy doesn't deserve special attention. If they want to solve murders they should solve every murder, not just the billionaire's murder.

I hope he's caught and found not guilty so he doesn't have to live in hiding for the rest of his life. Just like that kid Kyle Rittenhouse that got away with murder and now has a podcast and people donated a bunch of money to him. If he can do it why can't this guy.

This is one of those cases just begging for Jury Nullification.

I want him prosecuted, and freed by jury nullification.

Let them see that yes this was murder, but the people agree with it.

I want to reward him.

I've never subscribed to anyone's patreon ever before but I would sub to his.

People are saying he wasn't murdered, he just dropped to the ground alone, nobody in the street with him. There's even video, nobody is there...

i hope he never gets caught

No, I think he should escape into myth. I hope that he had a planned exit strategy for the end of this, and that he manages to flee the U.S. If he is caught, I believe he will be made an example, a metaphorical head on a pike to scare people off.

My righteous side wants him to face an appropriate sentence

That's not righteousness. Let me ask you this. If someone killed your spouse, or told you that you can't get treatment for your very curable, but otherwise fatal disease, because they'd rather have a little more money than they don't need, and will never spend, and then that person did that a million more times, do you think the world is better with or without that person?

Chances are, the CEO should've been prosecuted for whatever precipitated this long ago. Sounds like suicide by victim to me.