Hard to swallow pills

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Agreeing the USA sucks isn't hard too swallow.
- Been doing it every morning for 42 years
- It is for shit libs (this should be posted on .world)

The PRC needs to return land it has unjustly conquered.
- From the KMT, from the Japanese, or from the feudal lords that re-established themselves during the Chinese Civil War?
- How dare they “unjustly” conquer Chiang Kai-shek’s fascist state.
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pov when you rather kill foreigners than feed your own (are they still going thru with those anti-homeless public seats? lol.)

This isn't crimes against humanity, it's just a special bombing operation. For testing you know. How else do you know your bombs work if not by dropping them on indochina or the middle east? 乁⁠|⁠ ⁠･⁠ ⁠〰⁠ ⁠･⁠ ⁠|⁠ㄏ

thank god it isn't a dichotomy
- thank god for your meaningless straw man of a vaguepost

Is that 46 on average also for the past 40 years? Do you have a source for this? Not trying to wreck your post, but I'd like to drop this on some non-leftists one day at the appropriate time, and I want to be confident that the information is reliable.
- Source: the Pentagon
  https://www.salon.com/2022/01/11/the-us-drops-an-average-of-46-bombs-a-day-why-should-the-world-see-us-as-a-force-for-peace/

This meme is great, but I am very surprised that it hasn't been downvoted to oblivion with the massive amount of libs that scroll around this community.
- The best agitprop focuses on simple, uncontestable facts.
  
  I have posted some of those in the past, and still get downvoted to oblivion haha.

I love when not beating your child is used as a flex.
Congratulations! You are not THAT kind of asshole.
- Sincerely, that kind of asshole

Ues but thankfully not only two countries exist in the world. Picking between china and the usa is like picking shit with and without corn.
- Imagine writing that completely unironically.
  
  Imagine writing that completely unironically.
- Sure, feel free to add more examples of countries which drop fewer bombs than the US. Here's one to get you started: Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Ted Kaczinsky dropped sixteen bombs, while Ted Bundy didn't drop a single one. I guess that means Kaczinsky is worse?
- China is lifting people out of poverty, building out infrastructure, and transitioning to clean energy at breakneck speed. In minds of some people that's equivalent to being a serial killer. This is the state of western intellect.
  
  Close, but that metaphor was not equating either country with a serial killer, I was merely pointing out that one party's use of bombs does not necessarily make them worse than another party who does not use bombs. Sorry you're bad at reading
  And also, it's not the infrastructure or clean energy that gets people to not like china, it's all the censorship and oppression
  
  Tell that to the Uyghurs China is trying to destroy that the media conveniently forgot about.

On average? So you just take all bombs dropped by the USA and divide it by the number of days the US has been a thing? Then you compare that to the amount of days China hasn't dropped a bomb?
This makes no sense...
- IDK why you're being downvoted, you're totally right. For this to be closer to a fair comparison, we'd need to know the averages for both countries over the same time period.
  Let's make the last 40 years our time window. China has dropped zero bombs in that period, making their average zero bombs dropped per day.
  Now for the US, they've certainly dropped some bombs in the last 40 years. So that would make their average... Greater than zero bombs dropped per day... Oh...
  
  If we take that back to let's say 1949 when PRC was founded (to have the most timeframe possible) it would look even worse for USA because China still didn't dropped much more bombs in that period but for USA it would include Korea, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia - 4 worst and most intensive aerial terror campaigns in history.
- You want to know what the stats were calculated from? Because it sure as heck wasn't "how many bombs has USA ever dropped ever".
  Over 337,000 bombs and missiles dropped from 2001-2021. This equals an average of 46 per day over a recent 20 year period.
  https://progressive.org/latest/usa-bombs-drop-benjamin-davies-220112/

Skill issue. /troll don't take the bait

ofc china is the best super power in the world!!!
except if you live in africa... or taiwan... or tibet... or mongolia... or hongkong... or you're a uigur... or you're queer... or you're black... or you're a farmer... or you live in a tofu dreg building... or you like human rights... or free press... or privacy...
should I go on?
you see, china does a lot of bad things that don't require bombs, which the us doesn't, but in return they throw bombs, both are just imperialist genocide driving forces, as most states
also china's not that far away from throwing bombs:
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/china-starts-second-day-war-games-around-taiwan-2024-05-24/
- After a gish gallop of nonsense your only citation is "China does bombs too!" and it's of their military training in their own territory
  
  Are you confirming their source that the meme is false?
  
  taiwan is not china's own territory
  EDIT: also, what nonsense, are you denying the genocide against the uigurs for example?
- So you guzzled ALL of the burger's propaganda huh?
  
  Haha no you forgot xinjiang

Would China not drop bombs if they faced no consequences and it benefited them?
- No, China has something called a democracy and Chinese people don't want to drop bombs on little kids. Let me make that clear, Chinese people don't want to blow up little kids. It might be hard to wrap your mind around but a majority of people don't want something to happen, so it doesn't happen.
  The average American also doesn't like the idea of having children be blown up, but they watch slop TV instead and complain about gas prices and having to wear a mask once in their life. When kids do get blown up the TV tells the american settler that they were evil kids, so they go back to complaining about tv shows and self-flattery.
  
  Sorry, if you legitimately believe that China doesn't drop bombs on people because that's the will of the people then I don't think there's any further productive conversation to be had. I admire your ability to believe, though.
- Idk, they probably have had the opportunity sometimes, but they don't have the same military industrial complex as the USA pushing for it at every chance. So the cost benefit analysis is different. Quite often it doesn't benefit "the USA" as much as a few specific people within, and that mechanic doesn't exist in the same way for China.
  
  What do you mean that mechanic doesn't exist in the same way for China? Are you talking like China has achieved a classless utopia situation?

They probably do in training

...says the guy on Lemmy criticizing the U.S. government and not getting thrown in jail for it.
- You do understand that free speech that doesn't threaten the government is tolerated everywhere, right? Us having more free speech here is just a function of the US government feeling more secure in its power, you can still find examples of free speech being punished in the US when it has threatened its power.
  
  Then China must feel real threatened. According to this, it's against the law in China to even say you don't agree with the law.
  "A citizen, when exercising the right of freedom of the press, shall abide by the Constitution and the law, and shall not oppose the basic principles established by the Constitution or damage the interests of the State, the society or the collective, or the lawful freedom and rights of other citizens."
  A million Uyghurs, whose only apparent crime is being Muslim, have been sent to labor camps and undergone forced sterilization.
  Tiananmen Square started out as people peacefully protesting government corruption, and ended in the state murdering them.
  With respect to free speech, there's not even a comparison there with respect to America. It's not "potato potato".
  
  Lmao "free speech that doesn't threaten the government is tolerated everywhere"
  This statement would still be true if you were talking about Oceania. It's totally meaningless. Who decides what speech threatens the government? The government. I can say fuck Joe Biden, fuck Donald Trump, and fuck every member of Congress and the Supreme Court. Can you point me towards someone living in China who's comfortable openly saying "fuck Xi Jinping?"
  
  You can make that exact same argument about dropping bombs.
  When countries are threatened and dropping bombs relieves that threat instead of increases it, then they do. It's just that right now violent escalation doesn't benefit China, so it stays in the realm of sabre rattling
  
  Well, it depends on what the government considers threatening.
  The mere suggestion that the state is illegitimate in China would have gotten me disappeared. But I could join protests in the US denouncing the government in front of government-owned buildings without much worry.
  But then we look at how China continues to develop and grow their sphere of global hegemony, while the US is collapsing before our very eyes. So it makes you wonder if ruling with an iron fist and crushing dissidents has some merit after all.
- Americans be like "Twitter is my human rights if you take my twitter you take away my humanity"
- I bet you used both your brain cells to write that reply.
  
  Is it not a valid point?

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