1y ago

Frontend vs backend

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A highly compatible design with no ads, unnecessary images, videos, animations, scripts that goes straight to point delivering you exactly the information you need and nothing else? Something that's easily accessible even with old feature phones allowing older people to get information easily?
\ Simply something that loads instantly and just works?
Who would want that?
- Found the backend dev. "CUT THIS AESTHETICS NONSENSE! GIMME THE VARIABLE CONTENTS ALREADY! WE'RE 3.54 NANOSECONDS BEHIND!"
  
  Frontend: "Come on, this needs at least some flair. This isn't the 90s."
  Throws React at it
- No one who is going to pay you wants that. All they care about is user engagement.
- Did not get the joke did you ?
  
  No u
  
  Are you trying to make a joke? Or did you not get that the comment you replied to is also a joke?

The page at the top looks perfectly fine. It's useful, it gets the job done and it's lightweight.
- almost as good as the motherfucking website. :D
  
  I like the better motherfucking website
- You sound like a backend developer.
  
  maybe 🤣
- It's almost fine. It needs to include units for the measurements.
- Oh thank goodness my browser doesn’t have to download hundreds of js and assets just to use a damn calculator

Good, that we have specialists for both and nobody is advocating that everyone should be doing full-stack work... oh wait.
- As a full stack developer I can assure you I can easily produce the result displayed in both those panels in the image 😏
  
  In fact, I probably will make both of those first intentionally or not.
- Full-stack development and devops: When you need an entire IT department but only want to pay for one person.
- "Full-stack" is just a term invented by stingy employers who try to get 2 for the price of 1
- Specialists, ah I wish I could experience that. Maybe then I would be able to see my long lost love c++ again. Instead, I must give my love freely. Javascript, Java, Kubernetes, Go, many names flit through when profit is the goal. Someday maybe, hopefully, ChatGPT will end my tired soul.

what is wrong with this frontend? not enough ads? loads too quickly?
- I would hire you as my lawyer.
- Honestly, no units
  
  It's the temperature in Paris so I assume it's Celsius.
- No designated time zone.
  
  DID YOU SAY TIME ZONE
- No cookie banner with the worst dark patterns of UX imaginable
- just missing some flexbox basically
  love me some flexbox

The top one's a motherfucking website, indeed.

As a backend developer who occasionally has to work on the frontend, that top image is pretty accurate although it requires bootstrap smeared all over to pretty things up a bit. After that it will have the "Good Enough" seal of approval.

motherfuckingwebsite.com

God I wish weather pages were more like that first one.
- I like to use this one: https://wttr.in/
  You can get info for a specific city by appending it like this: https://wttr.in/newyork
  
  Tysm
  
  It seems to be down right now, but if i remember correctly this one also works when you are using a terminal and curl, i.E. curl wttr.in/newyork
  Edit: It works again, you can use the command as written above :D
  
  Nice thanks.

in Paris
in Paris
in Paris
in Paris
What is this bloat? Trash site.
- Honestly you don't even need to make the text field visible. If they can't touch-type that's on them.
  
  I would prefer a dropdown list of all possible coordinate combinations.
- It's meant to be used like this:
  undefined
  
  curl localhost:8000/?city=Paris | grep Temperature >> TemperaturesOfTheWorld.log
- Who was in Paris?
  
  I mean maybe B'Ellana if Tom was into some kinky shit but we aren't talking about Voyager right now.
  
  What's a Paris?
  
  Some fine gentlemen.
- You can see the programmer used Copilot, who in their right mind would want to type
  <?php echo htmlspecialchars($city); ?>
  four times

I can make HTML look alright if I have to and it's simple enough requirements.
The real hell is making it look good in an email. Oh, you used something from the last 20 years of HTML/CSS progress? Well fuck you.
- But that's mostly because Outlook is still holding us back. Come on, Microsoft, please let it die in peace already.
  
  Never going to happen, same for Excel.
  Whatever future iteration of ChatGPT that eventually enslaves the human race will be using Outlook and Excel to keep track of the genocide.
  
  They actually made it worse in the latest version! They went from using the CSS2 standard, which was already like 20 years old, to using MS Word as the rendering engine. I would like to find whoever was in charge of that idea and slap them with a large trout. My guess is that they got a bonus by laying off whatever team was in charge of the CSS2 integration and saved a bunch of money by utilizing another program attached to some other team's budget. MS employees are always trying to shift their costs onto other teams.

Looks like a perfectly fine frontend to me.

After some time toying with CSS I have decided to fuck it and whenever I need to make a website I will just either:
Make a plain website with no virtually no styling.
Use bootstrap or some other similar shit.
- I used to like bootstrap. Still do. But it has some faults... Depending on your needs you're loading a lot of CSS you aren't using.
  Bootstrap 5.3 is 59kb before gzip. 6700 lines of code. That's a lot to just apply some simple styles.
  There are a ton of lighter weight alternatives nowadays.
  
  it is a required subject at my school

It will probably look more like this

No bloat, no Javashit, no problem

From my experience, devs be like:
Backend, yay! Frontend, nay! ... and I the end, not even the backend works properly.
- So in the end, it doesn't even matter?
  
  I TRIED. SO. HARD.
- “Hey Bob, you did add a retry when you added that call to service X?
  Umm, no?
  Oh for fuck’s sake!”
  All the fucking time.
- I'm ops so I just get to enjoy how confused they get when their shit only works locally.
  
  This is why I got all of our devs to start building with the target of a Docker container in mind.
  And for the ones who still won't or can't wrap their brains around Docker, I run their shit through a Github Actions workflow that spits out their ugly baby as a Docker container. In the end, I don't give a shit what it is, your Rube-Goldberg piece of shit is getting stuffed into a Docker container.
  "It works on my machine!" Yeah, well, your machine is now everyone's machine thanks to the magic of containers. Now fix your broken shit so PagerDuty doesn't call me at 3am again. Fuck.
- I much rather frontend that backend, I like making things that people actually see.

Asa backend dev, it should be a 503 error. I live in 503 land.

A proper backend developer would have the query be a URL using the GET method with a parameter that the user can fill-in directly in the address bar and the result be a text/plain page with just a bunch of numbers separated by pipe characters (or an application/json page with that info encoded as JSON if you wanna be fancy).
This has the added advantage of working both for humans and as an API for use in machine to machine communications via HTTP.

The frontend developer made the backend so inefficient that it runs out of memory
- They have this cool hack where they emulate Edge within Node.js and then run their stuff as a webpage within Edge.

I do front and backend work. Biggest issue I see is people not thinking through interfaces properly (e.g. efficiencies & atomicity of operations), sanitizing inputs on both sides, error handling, and putting in the appropriate validation, authorization & testing.
- My SO just said your comment applies to sex just as well 🤣🤣🤣

why am i both
- The simple form that shows 503 on submit?

As a full stack dev I'd like to say that the issue I see most from backend devs isn't a lack of styling, it's their need to wrap every element in 15 motherfucking divs. They don't seem to understand that most html elements are self contained and can stand on their own.

What if I want the weather in Paris, TX?
- You need to fire a gun and to a really good bald eagle impression.

As a java/python developer who has been hooked to front end since last 3 years I feel this is apt !.😂😂
- I'd rather play pacman

Shots fired! Shots fired!

Akshwallyyyy those are both presentation problems, eg frontend
Edit: to those downvoting me please tell me why a frontend dev would end up showing a raw error like that on a page

Front hand back hand?

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