Trump confirms plan to declare national emergency, use military for mass deportations
President-elect Donald Trump is emphasizing his plan to declare a national emergency to carry out his campaign promise of mass deportations.
Hey, anybody remember 12ish years ago when Alex Jones' worst fear was that Obama was going to use executive power to order the military to be deployed on American soil, violating Posse Comitatus, to massively round up and inter a bunch of Americans in FEMA reducation / death camps?
Anyone?
No one?
Whoo boy, growing up in a fundamentalist Christian household where I was the only one to go to college and everyone else became a Q Anon zombie sure was fuuuunnnnn!
With conservatives every accusation is just projection
Operation Jade Helm
I don't remember that actually. I'm not saying he didn't say those things. I'm just saying that I never listened to a word that mouth breather said.
I remember that. He would usually say martial law. I think national emergencies are different and invoked more often by both Dems and GOP. Could be wrong
I guess if it was just illegal immigrants then it wouldn't be Americans, so it wouldn't be what they feared. But very close.
I know that feel. Worst part is that probably will happen to us
Being from austin and listening to him on the radio way back while driving occasionally yea I member
Drive through rural America and see how many underpopulated small towns there are. Shuttered businesses for lack of customers. Abandoned buildings. These places need people.
It's kind of wild to me how many really small towns there are in the US. About 32% of towns in the U.S. have less than 500 residents.
For comparison, here in Brazil I lived most of my life in a town with ~35K residents and it was already considered a small rural town. Some of my family lives in a neighboring town with ~11K residents, and even in my hometown people joke about how small it is, and that there's basically nothing going on there. 1288 of towns in Brazil have less than 5K residents, or about 23.1%, and there are no towns with less than 500 residents. Meanwhile in the US 76% of towns have less than 5K residents.
Again, it's just kind of wild to me. I remember playing (reading?) the Echo VN and thinking "Man, a dying town with only 50 people? That doesn't sound realistic," but apparently that's way more common than I thought.
Funny thing is that even the immigrants are smart enough to know the shouldn’t settle in these places because they’re going down the toilet. But the locals? We’re being ignored! Save our useless town with no economic prospects, no educated workforce, and no infrastructure to support anything worthwhile! No, of course we won’t move!. ..while they proceed to vote against any social policy that might help them or their future generations out of their trap.
No, of course we won’t move
Try "Can't"
I don't know why you city slickers think packing up all your shit and moving into a new house in a new town is free, but it isn't. We ARE being ignored, worse than that, we're being left to die.
You wanna get me outta the ruins of farmland? Send a bus to pick me up, make sure there's a two month paid in advance hotel waiting for me when I get there, and have me a job waiting.
Tack on the attempts to maintain high/high quality amenities in sparsely populated, low tax revenue areas, and you have a nice fat deficit for your small town compounding that problem.
Don't worry. This isn't the only Trump plan that will tank the economy. I just wish the rest of us didn't have to suffer because of all those idiots not paying attention.
The east coast is densely populated. California and large areas of the west coast is densely populated.
But Ohio to the Rockies? Uhhhh......there's corn. We got corn. Do you like corn?
Yeah. There's a reason nobody can name anything in Nebraska. Nobodys ever been there. Not even sure they have corn there.
Yeah but they don’t want those people. Now who are those people they don’t want? Brown people, black people, queer people, woke people, educated people, different people…
Do the immigrants actually settle there?
Yes, or nearby. They're the ones working the farms.
We tried this before and it sucked then, too.
For whom? The people being deported? Or for the overall effectiveness of the plan?
Both.
The Wilson/Coolidge Era was nightmarish for immigrants, with a host of laws targeting East Asian migrants and displacing uncountable numbers of industrial workers particularly along the West Coast.
Eisenhower's Operation Wetback set off a wave of police terror along the Gulf Coast, crippled the agricultural economy, and killed hundreds of migrants forced into transit.
The current border policy funnels hundreds of thousands of migrants through an inhospitality Texas/Arizona desert region that's killed around 10k-50k people in the last decade.
None of it actually curbs immigration. It all just becomes a black market affair, affording employers a tool to depress wages and cartels an opportunity to press-gang border residents into cattle slavery.
The people being deported AND the people who weren’t.
Yeah, we definitely need less people in this country. I’m sure it’ll help fill all the job vacancies and increase productivity and GDP.
I will make sure to bring this up when any republicans complain that are so many vacancies because no one wants to work anymore.
Lebensraum.
It doesn't need to be a real problem, for them to make it one.
The immigrant work force will still be there, they'll just be put in camps and forced to work for nothing, while white working class people are sold the idea of "claiming back" "their" land, while the capitalists take it all over in their name (and never share any of the profits or benefits, of course, with a new scapegoat as for why as they need it).
Strictly speaking of productivity without justifying Trump's plan in any way - labor shortage increases productivity. Cheap labor decreases productivity. Expensive labor forces capitalists to invest in new equipment and training to be able to produce the same output with fewer labor hours. Simple example - fastening the same number of bolts using manual screwdrivers in more hands vs electric screwdrivers in fewer hands.
Outside of that, removing a significant portion of the population at any one time would be significantly disruptive in many regards.
Undocumented Immigrants Contribute Nearly $100 Billion in Taxes a Year
If he actually succeeds in doing this, guess who’s going to be made to fill in that hole.
This is step one to collapsing Social Security and Medicare.
Knee cap all the funding from folks who never collect on it, then say, see? It’s collapsing earlier than we thought.
If you lived in the 80's, you know where you're going with this.
Prisons. Good old indentured servitude.
Get ready for more jaywalking arrests.
Yup.
The funny part is that that is still likely less that a bus load of billionairs actually paying their taxes like the rest of us do.
Obviously the answer is to tax billionaires, but that's never going to happen.
Kids that aren’t even born yet (debt spending).
I'm writing a story where children are immediately under a birth debt once they are born and its an entire generations dream to get out from under that debt.
When again are americans using their right to bear arms to protect themselves against an authoritarian government? If you dont do it now never again use this argument for the second amendment.
A lot of Americans don't feel this is authoritarian and actually welcome it. They would love to have Trump as president for life.
Yeah and that is one the reasons the argument is dumb. Fascists often are supported by big parts of the population. They arent going to be displaced by them. Especially in america
If any of us actually find ourselves in that situation, it would be unwise to post about it on the internet, even if someone is calling you a phoney.
Every post we make here is getting recorded by the NSA.
When again are americans using their right to bear arms to protect themselves against an authoritarian government?
Our arms don't exactly match theirs. The military has a lot more budget than citizens.
Right, which is why the whole 2nd amendment argument is silly in this day and age.
Dude, if they didn't rise up when the kids were cages during Trump's first term then it is clear they are the brownshirts.
If we go by the text, only "americans" have that right. Now, the important question is "what is an american"? What characterizes a "non-american" according to the founding fathers?
The bill of rights applies to anyone standing on American soil regardless of if they are a citizen, a legal resident, a refugee, or even here “illegally”.
They have the right to bear arms (per their states laws), they have the right to freedom of speech, assembly and religion, they have the right to due process and protection from unreasonable search and seizure. The constitution doesn’t distinguish citizens from non citizens when it comes to their rights.
A lot of what trump says he’s gonna do isn’t possible unless the constitution gets suspended. Which is unlikely but not impossible.
How are people going to be selected for deportation? This feels eerily like what Hitler started doing with Jews.
The NAZIs made Germany a slave labor nation-state.
That is what is happening here.
People know all about the concentration camps, but the amount of slave labor used in Nazi Germany was massive. In addition to working in factories they literally brought slaves from the Eastern Front to work in German households as maids, and dressed it up like they were happy to be there.
It's a pretext. And can expand to anyone the state doesn't want around.
Deportation doesn't have to be immediate, you could end up in a cage indefinitely.
Portland Oregon was a sneak preview of what Trump will do (Sending federal resources where they are explicitly not wanted, and kidnapping citizens)
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/us/politics/denaturalization-immigrants-justice-department.html
Looks like they're gonna strip citizenship from "terrorists, war criminals, sex offenders and other fraudsters who illegally obtained naturalization"
Whatever "fraudsters" means... Made a mistake on the citizen application? FRAUDSTER! DEPORTED! Do all of your documents have exactly the same name, middle name, and spelling? No?? IDENTITY THIEF! DEPORTED!
Let's see how much talent they lose with that...
Well there's this handy color wheel...
The incoming Trump administration doesn't even know who they are planning to deport. The criteria right now could be literally anything from "these specific known individuals who are illegal aliens and also criminals" to "anyone Trump or ICE doesn't like, including legal citizens who are political dissidents".
If there was ever a time to own a gun in America, now is that time. Protect yourselves, people. The no-knock raids are just around the corner.
They start with a convenient group (immigrants, legal or not), and will proceed from there. Ask your history teacher about what happened in Germany after 1933, just replace the Jews with PoCs.
Wrong community. This dystopia is about get real interesting, real fast 😬
I would've rather had it not be a dystopia, but silver lining and all that.
You can't beat Trump's brand of fascism with spineless morally flexible subservient people. People are going to have to fight back do what they can. Dems are already rolling over in advance and some are going to fight with what resources they have. It is going to be rough.
The dems are the wimpy kids who internalized being nice to their bullies will somehow earn them respect and show they are the better people. In reality their abusers only hold them in even more contempt and spit at them at every turn.
Time to get used to hunger
You can always quit meat! The "middlemen" eat more vegetation than you would directly.
What is so fucked up is how incredibly ignorant and stupid Trump and his policymaker picks are... like when they talk about how the tarifs would skyrocket the prices of basic imported foods (foods that CANNOT be grown anywhere in the United States) their response was 'maybe Americans shouldn't be eating those foods'.
This is fucking insane. I mean are they aware that the only place that coffee can be grown in the entirety of the United States is Hawaii? And I guarantee you, every single bit of coffee grown there will not be anywhere near enough to meet the demand that Americans have. What about chocolate? You like Chocolate? The overwhelming majority of chocolate in the world is grown in West Africa. But that is besides the point. There would be no chocolate for the average American as it would be simply too expensive. Most chocolate on the market today only contains a small bit of chocolate anyway, the other crap is just fat and sugar. After Trump does his tarifs it will be ALL fat and sugar and anything containing real chocolate will be an absolute luxury that no regular American will afford.
I could go on forever. But I am sure you realize just how FUCKED people are going to be. And don't think for one moment that it is going to be an exclusively American problem. I am a Canadian, but a shitload of food products here are also packaged and manufactured in the United States, meaning that the price those companies, like the Kraft-Heinz (which is the 2nd largest food manfucturer in the world) have to pay for their ingredients will mean that the price for everyone will go up, even if they don't live in the United States.
Nothing cheaper than using the military, no siree. What's the going rate for toilet seats at the Pentagon these days?
The whole toilet seat thing is as misunderstood. If the Air force needs a new toilet seat for one of it's jets, and that jet isn't in production anymore, and you can't just go to homedepot for aircraft parts, then you have to order a bespoke seat.
Now setting up the tooling for an injection molded plastic seat, only to produce a limited run, maybe in the dozens, $10,000 per seat is a reasonable price.
I'm sure the Pentagon buys toilet seats at the regular price. The interesting thing about Pentagon bathrooms is that it has double the number it needs because of segregation.
There also the fact that the government has to buy domestic as much as possible. Not to say they don't use corruption to transfer wealth via those contracts.
Wait till you see how much Boeing charges for soap dispensers
In fairness, they can't just pop down to the hardware store and use one of those soap dispensers, since the changes in air pressure at altitude would cause them to leak all their contents or pop.
The average dispenser is basically two one-way valves, and a flexible tube you compress to squeeze it out (or a bottle with a pump). Everything inside would be forced out by the lower air pressure.
$30k, about 50% more than hammers
tho that's in 1996 dollars
This move actually makes zero fucking sense. Having people in our country who are willing to work less money than the average citizen labor costs are low. That basically means more money for him and his oligarch buddies.
He's already won the election. He doesn't have to keep posturing like this. And he's not going to be elected again, so either he (hopefully) has no third term, or he'll prevent the 2028 elections from being free and fair.
My prediction is that nothing will actually come of this and he's saying this to keep his approval rating high.
Either that or he's even more racist than he is greedy and self-centered
He’s already won the election. He doesn’t have to keep posturing like this.
That was never his end goal, and you're naive to think otherwise.
As for the rest, you're missing a key step - to get them all "deported", first they need to be rounded up, and put in camps (we already past this point a while back), and then since they're already in camps, they might as well be put to work. For free (another point we've past). When they start dying off in big enough numbers for it to affect production, there will be another group marked for "deportation" and rounded up for their turn.
This isn't fascism's first fucking rodeo, and it isn't only now getting started, it has been in motion for a good while now.
Interesting note: The camps started under Obama, certainly continued under trump, and only continued ramping up once Biden took over, not decreasing. Something tells me that Kamala wasn't going to buck that trend, it seems to be a bipartisan effort.
Actually serves pretty well if one's goal were to further destabilise things. People have already been convinced that illegal immigrants are to blame for all economic problems (even though it is easier to prove the extreme opposite through a cursory search on the internet), maybe if the downward slope is gentle enough, people won't start doubting the efficacy of the initially applied solution. Maybe the point was to get them to the next level, get them angry at something else after everything is done with the false problem.
I just don't see Trump actually wanting what's his version of "best" for the country. I think he's on a power play, and the country's just the kindling.
Maybe I'm talking complete nonsense, but this feels like a... logical escalation. To what, I cannot fathom, although we've seen similar movements preclude Totalitarian/Authoritarian regime solidification periods before, where the desperate masses clung to the wrong solution.
I just want to point out that declaring a state of emergency to "deal with" illegal immigrants will allow the construction of large camps all over the country where undesirables can be 'concentrated' for 'processing'.
After rounding up illegal immigrants, maybe they'll invalidate the status of legal immigrants that knowingly employed, illegal immigrants. Or housed illegal immigrants. Or defended illegal immigrants. Of course these people will need to be detained in the same camps while it all gets processed.
The condition of the camps won't be great, maybe the detainees can work in specially approved facilities while immigration status gets processed, this will help alleviate the cost of camp maintenance and improve living conditions.
Maybe the detainees can be rented out to local plantations to subsidize the cost of feeding them.
Later one. For sure.
He's not going to deport what can easily be made into slave labor and he's not going to need a third term if he even makes it all the way through his second without croaking, being 25th'd out by his own people or some nice defenestration. The point is to make sure Republicans/Russia never again leave office, not that Trump doesn't.
Don’t forget to put all the books in a pile and set fire to them. And smash their shop windows.
They have been doing that for years against the 'wokes' all the while publishing books that they claim the wokes want to burn when they never did. In their minds anything other than unmitigated cheerleading and throwing support is tantamount to a book burning.
Nice, by the book. The fascist admin guide as seen in most of Europe, recently
Trump thinks that the best way to avoid the last of the NY state trial is to create chaos and violence until we cry uncle.
Nah, that's finished no matter what. No one needs to cry uncle, and this chaos was always the plan.
Gee, I wonder what the solution will be if other countries wont take our undesirables.
War?
I for one am a bit interested with what happens when they target natives?
Candy canes and free showers.
There are dark days ahead.
Winter is coming.
This dystopia is starting to heat up 😬
I love "subtle racism".
Please deport me harder orange man.
I'm third generation, but I'd like to be deported, please. Where do i sign up?
Somewhere between fourth and seventh myself. Unless you've got citizenship somewhere else why? Statelessness is not something to aspire to.
To declare a "National Emergency", he probably needs a cause. How does American law deal with those "National Emergency" situations? Does he need some proof? Does he need confirmation from somewhere?
Genocide Joe continued Trump's attacks on refugees, so now Trump feels like he has to go even harder.
I'd say that the Overton Window is certainly weaponized by the right-wing.
He’s not going to succeed at his goals unless he essentially suspends the constitution. Which I wouldn’t put past him necessarily but for now these headlines are pretty sensational.
Everybody is protected by the fifth amendment regardless of citizenship status or if they are here “legally” or not. We’re all entitled to due process and freedom from unreasonable search and seizure so long as we’re standing on American soil. Running after families just minding their business and demanding papers please is far fetched. Going after already established criminals however is a lot easier and low hanging fruit. And I’m not talking about people who’s only crime is being here illegally, I’m talking about people who are that + another crime. And sorry but I don’t feel sympathy for those people who make life harder for everyone else…
Even if they do go after everyone they don’t have the infrastructure in place to process people. The highest deportations happened under Obama (take that, hysterical pissing in their pants liberals) at 230k a year and the system was barely functioning and is further backlogged now than ever. How the fuck is trump gonna manage to deport a million a year?
He’s full of hot air. Hell deport criminals and claim a win.
I would be honestly less concerned if I thought the administration would be successful in deporting people. I think you're relying heavily on "due process" here, when the reality is they can just accuse you of a crime, deny you bail, and then hold you pretty much indefinitely. You let the ones who can get lawyers out and you've pretty effectively filtered the population for wealth.
The Nazi death camps started as temporary internment camps with the intent to deport Jews eventually.
Then they just ended up with a whole bunch of people in camps with nowhere to send them and were like, "well, we might as well get some work out of some and kill the rest" and it sort of escalated from there.
Which with their "camps for the mentally ill, homeless, and drug addicted" and "deportation emergency" sounds alarmingly similar.
First sentence: unless he suspends the constitution
I’m not saying the rhetoric isn’t concerning, I’m saying he doesn’t have the machine set up to make it happen. Could it happen? Absolutely.
Well at least we're getting close to a somewhat interesting dystopia. /s
Will he deport Elon?
Damn that sucks :(
Dear, dear. What has the world come to?
Are they calling this the final solution? /s
