1mo ago

Migrants hope Trump mass deportations only 'for criminals'

www.bbc.com Migrants hope Trump mass deportations only 'for criminals'

While many are scared, some dismiss the dangers of mass deportations under Donald Trump.

Summary

Donald Trump’s 2024 campaign has reignited fears among undocumented migrants with promises of “mass deportations” and migrant communities are bracing for uncertainty and a new wave of nativism.

His administration plans to target those deemed public safety or national security threats, potentially reinstating workplace raids and using military resources.

Advocates warn that “collateral arrests” could sweep up migrants without criminal records.

Many, like “Dreamers” protected under DACA, fear family separations, while others, such as Carlos in NYC, hope Trump’s economic policies might benefit them.

"A lot of Latinos, those who can vote, did so because they think he [Trump] can improve the economy. That would be very good for us too," said Carlos, an undocumented Mexican who lives in New York City.

BBC @rss.ponder.cat

Undocumented migrants hope Trump mass deportations only 'for criminals'

www.bbc.com /news/articles/c79zxjj0j55o

1 0

189 comments

Smokers hope cancer reaches only 'bad people'

Anyone that thinks that it's going to be only 'criminals' that get deported forget that crossing the border without documentation is a crime. Yeah, it's a misdemeanor, but it's still a crime, and the Trump administration is still going to deport them when they can.
- Adjudicating whether or not someone is guilty of a crime, or in the US illegally, requires a trial. Doing that for millions of people all of a sudden within a system that’s already backed up by more than a year is completely impossible.
  In other words, they are absolutely talking about deporting innocent people of the wrong ethnicity without any attempt at due process, and anyone who thinks different is living in a dream world. And then, once they’re done with that batch, they plan to move on to other classes of undesirables.
  
  requires a trial.
  Not for people that are undocumented. People that are not in the us legally get hearings, but that's policy rather than law, IIRC. Due process gets a little weird here, because the process in question isn't a matter of law or the constitution.
  Regardless - it's not going to go well for anyone that thinks that he doesn't mean them.
  The denaturalization concept--stripping naturalized citizens of citizenship--is fa, far scarier than deportation. Once you can strip citizenship from a naturalized citizen, and once you've eliminated birthright citizenship, you've got a roadmap for stripping citizenship from anyone.
  
  Maybe they're going to hold them under detention while trying millions and millions of people. Might need to build new detention facilities, of course, some kind of camps where they can concentrate the population. It's going to take a long time too, so in the name of government efficiency they can lease them out to businesses and farms for labor while they await their trials. Work sets you free.
  
  It always amazes me when people, even leftists, come up with arguments like „he won’t have enough judges to deport that many people“ or „camps need supplies. How would you do that in such a short amount of time for so many immigrants?“.
  These are plans by the same people that took children from their parents and put them into cages „supervised“ by thugs with batons. And they „lost“ a lot of kids in the process. And they bragged about it.
  If the rule of law gets absolutely destroyed by mass deportations/internments it’s a feature, not a bug to them. You don’t need judges if you have enough thugs who „just follow orders“ „for the greater good“.
  Likewise news of immigrants in camps lacking basic necessities, food and healthcare will just feed their lust for cruelty. And their base will be happy, because those immigrants „brought it upon themselves“, „can always go back to their home country if they don’t like it“ and „need to be a warning for others“.
  Nothing good will come of it. People here in Germany also though that Hitler guy was a bit of a joke, failed his coup attempt, and things „would never get THAT bad“. Spoiler: it did. And then some.

you all understand this is about racism, right? this is a giant dog whistle for rounding up non-white people and getting them the fuck out of their white nationalist dream.
its not about crime, or which immigrants are good or bad. its about kicking out the brown peoples. its easy to manipulate racist voters. they are all ignorant cowards.
- i think there's so much discourse about this since Latin men voted, on the whole, for trump. there is a non zero number of people who, if trump implements his border control plan, voted for their own deportation
  
  also, white people dont own a monopoly on racism. some of the most racist people i know are also 'legal' immigrants of a minority population.
  
  Please stop spreading misinformation.
  A supermajority of Latino voters voted for Kamala, including a majority of Latino men specifically.
  https://unidosus.org/press-releases/hispanic-voters-back-harris-over-trump-by-a-62-37-margin-cite-economic-concerns-as-top-priorities/
  The only groups that supported Trump with a majority are white people.
  White people are the problem, not Hispanic and black voters.
  https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-11-06/how-5-key-demographic-groups-helped-trump-win-the-2024-election
- All those Muslim folks who voted for Trump to "punish" Harris are in for a rude awakening. This isn't only about Hispanics.
  
  I doubt there are a lot of illegal Muslims. Most “illegal” immigrants are from border countries.
  Deporting our DACA immigrants would be really bad for the economy, talk about brain drain and also illegal immigrant workers who contribute more to the economy than they extract.
  The leopards will be eating their own faces. I would need to look up numbers but fairly certain more republicans use illegal immigrant labor than democrats.
  Also, the spite and told you so banter is kind of offensive. “My candidate lost so now you have to suffer the consequences,” it’s very childish and not very thoughtful or helpful.
- I live in a very white area and I'm not white. I'm telling people close to me I'm in fight or flight constantly. They tell me states or the supreme Court (wtf) will block trump, or I'm not an immigrant so I don't have to worry, or I'm somehow safer being surrounded by white people even though I stick out like a sore thumb. They feel safe and have bullshit hope and belief and can somehow forget how entirely subjugated black people have been through the entire hisory of America. I'm so fucking tired I don't even care some days. Can't wait to be asked what I'm thankful for this holiday.

I get that TikTok, YT Shorts, and FaceBook slowly removes attention span, but how the fuck does it cause Amnesia for everything that happened before 2020?
Trump literally removed holding time limitations and changed the Criminal Only ICE focus of previous administrations so they could put women and children in cages deport children alone to random South American nations citing some ancient treaties.
This already fucking happened. All of it.
- Lots of people still thought Trump was running against Biden when they cast their vote.
  
  At this rate, I suspect that a good number also thought Obama was still in office.
  
  Tbf Kamala did nothing to distance herself from Biden policy wise.

I'm worried they're going to start raiding schools and daycares as well in order to force parents to turn themselves in or just to be malicious. A lot of children are going to be separated from their parents.
- That would be right in line with their normal behavior. Seeing how many children they kidnapped in the previous Trump administration.

They made "migrating" a crime, so, yeah, leopards...face...
- Undocumented people aren't voting so...
  
  Yeah, they also don't know or influence any voters. Not at all.

"A lot of Latinos, those who can vote, did so because they think he Trump] can improve the economy. That would be very good for us too," said Carlos, an undocumented Mexican who lives in New York City.
So long, Carlos.
- I'm still trying to understand this belief that he is good for the economy. He's a failed business man who bankrupted a casino. His successful businesses are all grifts and money laundering. To say nothing of how our economy tanked after 4 years of his failed trade wars and 2+2=7 tax plan.
- Carlos can’t vote, but a majority of both Latino men and Latino women voted for Kamala.
  The only majority that voted for Trump is white people.
  
  “A lot of Latinos, those who can vote, did so because they think he [Trump] can improve the economy.”
  I think you missed this part.
  
  Let's just agree that it's the ones who voted for Trump that are the problem, not anyone else. I don't care what ethnicity someone is, but it really stretches my compassion to have sympathy with any Trump voters that suffer predictable results.
  
  Let’s blame it on white people!!!

How can anyone listen to Trump's racist rants about shit hole countries and walk away thinking "he doesn't mean me"? He absolutely means you. There's about to be a whole lot of faces meeting some very hungry leopards.

What part of "mass deportations" do people not understand? Trump told us what he's going to do. His cabinet pick told us what he's going to do. They're going to do it.
- Yeah, but all they heard were campaign ads. And what little news they did hear either is actually propaganda that came from Fox News or their local news that's actually part of Sinclair.
  That combined with the shenanigans of social media the last few years, yep, low information voters only wind up hearing the lies they were meant to hear.

There's only 11 million undocumented immigrants in the united states. The Trump Administration has pledged to deport 20 million. Which means they are going to be expelling American citizens from their home as well. It's not just going to be criminals. It's going to be anyone whose skin tone they don't like.
- people with accents, too. doesn't matter if you've been here for ten years: if you sound different, someone will report you to ICE
  
  Or if you look ethnic and are doing math https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ivy-league-professor-dubbed-plane-terrorist-for-math-equation/
- Yeah, they're talking about deporting the children of undocumented immigrants.
  
  Which if they are born in the United States are United States citizens. Which is important to remember. They're looking to deport people to countries they've never been to. Whose languages they don't speak. It would be one thing if they were talking about young children who still needed their parents. Yes by all means don't tear families apart is the Trump Administration previously did. But they are talking about the adult children as well. So it's particularly extra despicable.

To trump, every immigrant is a criminal.
Saying "the legal ones are welcome" is a smokescreen.
- Except his wife, I'm sure. She's one of the "good ones".
  
  Don't forget about first lady elonia
- "The legal ones are welcome" is the "there will be exceptions for rape and incest" of anti-immigration rhetoric. It was always a lie meant to placate those with a few remaining shreds of a conscience.
- Nah he is telling the truth, he will simply change the law to make most immigrants illegal.

Ummmmm Conservatives already see them as criminals because they are here "illegal". By default all undocumented migrants are criminals.
- Trump also said he'd aggressively deport and sort through the mistakes later. He's going to deport legal immigrants too, and I very much doubt they'll let them back in without an extensive legal battle. Which will never move forward because he'll intentionally starve the court system (like congress already did at his order) so that realistically, they will never get through the system.
  Great fucking job giving Nazis free reign, you stupid, stupid, evil fuckers. You had a choice to fight nazis when it was easy. Just a vote. But you chose nazis, one way or another.
  
  Ohhhhh I agree with you for the most part. But the last part?! Who exactly are you referring to as you? If you are chastising Democratic leadership 100% Anyone else other than literally Nazie's (aka Trump, JD, the majority of RNC members and leaders, and some of their voters), shouldn't be blamed.

“A lot of Latinos, those who can vote, did so because they think he [Trump] can improve the economy. That would be very good for us too,” said Carlos, an undocumented Mexican who lives in New York City.
Oh Carlos, mi dulce niño del verano ...
- imagine being that gullible
  
  Carlos, for the 2570th time, you are free to go chico! Thanks for only being an immigrant and not a criminal immigrant. Our criminal tags are pretty good and you don't have any. See you tomorrow before work again? 😊 You too man! 😀 Oh what an inspiration of a person!
- He will have a rude awakening, more like the law being rammed on his anus along with an one way ticket

Do they not realize that he and his core audience believe the greatest crime a person can commit is not be born white?

I know y’all want to make this a stupid voters leopards ate my balls post but these are undocumented people. They can not vote and had no say in the election.
- Remember the old maxim: "no one hates new immigrants more than old immigrants"... Their fellow legalized immigrants supported this outcome as well
  
  100%. My wife’s family ALL came illegally. I think it’s like 7-10 people, the last one got naturalized like 4 years ago. All but a couple voted for trump and their stance on it is “oh well we got lucky that’s just how it is. They need to come legally”
  I had no words after that.
- I’m sorry, my “give a fuck” stopped working just after the election results came in.
  Trump promised to deport illegals and even “denaturalize” certain citizens. He wants to deport 20 million illegal immagrants separate family and put the in camps while awaiting deportation. None of this was a secret, they fucking bragged about it.
  Trump gained 14 points nationally with Hispanics. I hope he goes balls to the fucking wall and drops the hammer. May the people get exactly what they voted for.
  Meanwhile, I’m going to do the best to make sure me and mine are taken care of. Stock up on toilet paper, N95 masks, freeze dried food and bullets. It’s gonna be lit!🔥
  
  The only difference between you and a Republican is your rhetoric then.
  Go fuck yourself. I cannot imagine gleefully watching people be put in camps and feeling fucking smug about it. I'm sure there were plenty of Germans like you.

"Why didn't literally everyone tell me that the racist genocidal maniac was a racist genocidal maniac?"

As someone posted in another thread, the mass deportations of Mexicans in the late 1920s/early 1930s ended up deporting American born Mexicans as well. So yeah, America deported actual American citizens because they didn't care or couldn't be bothered to check papers or whatever. Who's to say that isn't going to happen this time around?
Also, Trump said Latinos have a "murder gene," so he already thinks they're all criminals of some sort.
- This happened in operation wetback under the Eisenhower admin. So it happened after wwii as well.
- Everyone without white skin needs to get a passport and maintain a line of getting it. I.e. if you get fast deported you can have a family member mail it to you in Mexico.
  
  As a white man, I fucking HATE this but you’re right. God dammit. I voted Harris, but I still really want to fight for those that can’t.
- Unlawful deportations happen all the time everywhere. It will happen and probably happened quite often in the last years

Very foolish people. Get ready to find a new home.

I sincerely wish the absolute worst on any marginalized group that voted for Trump. You have nothing but my deepest sincere disgust and deserve whatever happens to you.
- I sincerely hope you're never in a position of authority.
  
  Sorry I have no sympathy for those that vote against their self interests.
  I'm not gonna feel sorry for the guy that willingly cut off his nose to spite his face.
- I sincerely wish the absolute worst on any marginalized group that voted for Trump.
  Are white people exempt from that or why did you choose that wording?
  
  I chose that wording because Trump is a massive racist and yet all these minority groups he's openly shit on still voted for him and they can get fucked.
  Because yeah Mr. "Build the wall" is totally gonna have your back.
- God, you people really can't live without a boogeyman or a scapegoat. Y'all disgust me.
  
  It's not a scapegoat. I expected white people to vote for him. Minorities voting republican can always get fucked. If you're part of the problem you're equally to blame, but if you're dumb enough to vote against yourself you're a special kind of stupid.
- Wouldnt people who voted for someone who hates them just be misinformed?
- Congratulations on discarding your humanity and becoming a fascist. “Scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds”.

Like the German version of Nazis before them, they aren't coming for their biggest target first. They're coming for their political opposition, the "abortionists", the atheists, the drug users, the mentally ill...
RFK Jr.:
"I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need — three or four years if they need it— to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities,"
Re-education camps, huh.
- Nazism 2: The Brainworm Boogaloo
  Genuinely going to be interesting to see how these fuckwads manage anything, not just this fascism bullshit. Like honestly, at least most of the higher ranked Nazi officials were pretty intelligent (albeit evil.)
- reparented
  What?

They will grab anyone they can get their hands on. Criminals will have the advantage that they know how to hide, and there are way more non-criminals, so Jose Average will be picked first, being the easiest target to fulfill the quota.
- Also while some peoples definition of criminal is "murderer" or similar some peoples definition is closer to "you did or a relative did something not 100% legal in the last generation or two.
  edit: some peoples definition of criminal will definitely include unhoused or non-land owning eventually
  
  It already includes being homeless. The anti camping bans are straight up making it illegal to camp without a house to go back to.

I'm honestly terrified as a naturalized citizen that he's going to either try to revoke my citizenship or ignore it altogether :/
- Birthright citizenship is on the chopping block
  
  If they're allowed to carry out their plans in full, will there even BE any path to citizenship?

Aren't criminals already being deported if they are caught? He was clear that he is after immigrants (in some speeches illegal, but in some even legal)

Lol keep dreaming. First they come for one.

Stephen “nazi” Miller wants to create an army from Trump loyal national guard members and go into “blue” states to enforce deportation.
I doubt they’ll check if you’re a criminal or not.
- Or indeed if you're an immigrant.

“If you’re here illegally, you better be looking over your shoulder.”
They've also mentioned along the lines of "if you are here illegally, then you've already committed a crime".
- The fun part is, it's not actually a crime. That's why they use immigration judges and not criminal ones.

Oh yes, just "the bad hombres". /s
So, the leopards are coming for the faces, huh? Who would've guessed?

The trump admin couldn't be bothered to keep the children and parents together while caging immigrants last time--why would anyone expect him to differentiate the legals from the illegals?

Seeing a lot of voting blocks which apparently were clueless as to what they were voting for. The leopards won't care.

Bender laugh.jxl

Good luck with that. If you voted for him you're an even more gullible dipshit than seems possible.
- It is absolutely disgusting how many people are letting their disappointment and fear turn into vindictiveness and anger.
  They're undocumented immigrants. By definition they didn't vote for him, and you should really do some introspection to figure out why this is the first thought you had.
  
  Naturalized immigrants, who do vote, often have family members and/or friends that are now on the chopping block. A lot of them voted for Trump thinking they were getting rid of the "bad" immigrants.
  
  Centrists would rather blame people who cannot even vote than admit that moving to the right has failed.
  
  If someone voted or prefers for bad stuff to affect the whole country, then I see nothing wrong with preferring them to be the one to personally experience it.
  If 51/100 people voted to throw a random citizen into a volcano to make God happy, I would hope that the person that gets thrown in is one of those 51 people, and not one of the other 49.
  If someone can't vote because but still holds harmful views, it doesn't make them any less deserving of finding out they are wrong. If you wish harm on others, I'm not going to coddle you when you're sad you personally got harmed.
  
  You do know he’s going to change it do nationalized citizens are not citizens anymore right? If being born here doesn’t count as being a citizen, and this is retroactive, what does count?
  Maybe you should get off the MAGA train and look around.

Any of these people who think Trump gives a damn about citizen status is a absolute moron who'se never paid attention to anything he said or did about immigration. He's a white supremacist and will push for policies that align to that. Illegals will get deported, but any excuse to revoke or ignore legal status of other non-whites will be aggressively pursued. He's already established concentration camps in his first term, despite those people being legal asylum seekers, and you can bet he'll do that again. And if his administration can't find legal means to remove them from the country they are going to find more excuses for brutal treatment with "unfortunate loss of life to those who don't cooperate fully"

My face is too good looking to be eaten by the face eating leopards!

Everyone here who stayed past their visa or crossed the border illegally is a criminal to the Republicans regardless of any attempts at asylum or other legal avenues to stay. (Yes, they have done something illegal, no need to be a pedant)
Especially if they're brown.
If they're white and have some money, they'll be fine.
If they're brown and working for a Republican illegally, they'll just get paid less and worked harder while being threatened with deportation if they complain.

LOL. Get fukt.

"Lots of people were dumb dumb dumb dumb! Really-really dumb!"

Leopards like all kinds of faces.

The article left me confused.
How does one pay income tax and file taxes while undocumented? Wouldn't you need a social security number, and hence be documented?
Could I create an imaginary person to file taxes for?
- Anyone can go to a ss office and get a tax id for free. It acts as a ss#
  
  I see.
  Seems like an easy thing to fix no matter which direction you take.

Narrator: "It won't be."

Its only for the federal definition of criminal. That definition is extremely broad on a good day. Bad days are just gonna get broader

They will be only for "criminals"... And then he'll classify anyone with skin darker than a certain tone as an "illegal" committing crime by living in this country, then they'll go on to trans people, then gay people, then "anteefahs!" And so on.. there's a whole poem about it and everything.
- This idea that "criminal" is some kind of basic aspect of someone's being rather than being a status wholly controlled by the government, who can impose or remove it at will, is mind-boggling. And also probably explains a lot of how conservatives keep finding themselves in the jaws of the leopard.

Thinking that undocumented (inherently illegals) will be spared to continue providing cheap labour, ignores the impending AI revolution impact. Millions of jobs will be lost. The menial jobs currently being done by undocumented labour, will soon be done by legal citizens who have lost their jobs to AI. The Ministry of DOGE coin apparatus will soon be in place to implement this at national scale. The leopards are going to eat the faces of 99% of us.
- This is what I believe. Those that can’t find work or are replaced by AI get to work the fields or they are a drain on society and jailed, camped, deported, or just executed. You might get a chance to serve the military too - maybe even demanded!

By definition, if you are an illegal immigrant, you are a criminal.

189 comments