!vegan@lemmy.world mod suppresses criticisms of fediverse spam campaign, using mass ban technique to silence opposing viewpoints

You’d be surprised how often that happens when people find out you don’t eat meat.

It’s, like, a lot.

(edit: this was a stupid thing to say.)

Correction: it was silly, and so I loved it 😂 (Maybe I misunderstood, I just wanted to advocate for it being okay to be silly:-)

Corpse muncher is a good one. Blood mouth is another. I've heard something about cadaver as well, maybe cadaver eater? Can't remember.

Seriously how fucking old are you (the silly vegans, not the person in replying to, I didnt make that clear)? Does that ever work? It's just so ridiculously childish and funny.

There are plenty of other spaces where vegans can respond to "plants feel pain" and "but what about lions" a million times a day, but that gets old pretty quick. The goal is to have a space where vegans can just interact amongst themselves, which necessarily requires some degree of gatekeeping

The OP literally shows a screenshot of your comment

Increasingly I believe communities should be able to hide from All. I step into places without realizing it too. They want an echo bunker, not a public sidewalk

To expand:

c/veganism isn't actually a place to discuss the merits or news about vegan topics, or recipes.

It's a place for vegans, and only vegans, to share likeminded opinions on their world view. This is not unique to this community.

Being a non vegan, and sharing a non vegan opinion there is not what they want. They find it offensive, and nearly bannable in general.

Ultimately, that's ok, it's their community.

The problem comes in when their posts land on All, where anyone sees it and feels invited to read and comment and vote. (Which I believe they are). So a mechanism to keep them off All would be useful to discourage people "walking by"

I'm pretty it's Beaver. I'm now banned (and I appear to be blocked by Beaver as well) and I'm pretty sure the only recent direct interaction I've had with the community was downvoting the recent articles about how vegan diets are okay for carnivorous pets.

The info is there. You can tell who it is by using the filters (e.g. logs filtered on me as the user that were modded by beaver: https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&modId=7121342&userId=36)

It’s a pain in the ass but it works.

Thunder shows the mod for each modlog action.

Modlog does contain the info, it's just not displayed on the website. You can get the full data from lemmy API

Example:

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Yeah, but c'mon, that's Floridaman. He's a meth head who'd murder someone because he wanted to fuck an alligator and thought he needed a human sacrifice to do it.

I don't think that counts as targeted hate crime or whatever. He wasn't stabbed for veganism, he was stabbed from the heated argument, which by trigger happy dumbos like these could have been about anything.

I used to be a vegetarian for a decade and then a pescetarian before apathy fully set in and I saw how pointless it all is.

Vegans and vegetarians can be some of the most judgemental gatekeeping assholes out there. Many of them aren't, but the ones that are militant and overbearing are the worst and only push others from their cause. Those ones desperately want to feel better than others, so become borderline eating disordered to elevate themselves to some holy god level in their minds because they eat beans and lentils.

They aren't in the same class as minorities. They choose to eat the diet they do. And no one can visibly tell they are vegetarian/vegan until they tell others they are.

This might be a language barrier thing, but in most english-speaking countries when you use the term "minority" to refer to a group of people, that typically refers to a group who is a minority based on race, sex, ethnicity, gender or some other inherent trait. You might say, "a small community" to refer to a group within a group, but you wouldn't say, "a minority community" for that unless you were trying to imply that the community in question was a racial, ethnic, gender, or other form of minority.

There are certainly vegan diets. People who still eat animal produce may still be interested in vegan alternatives without becoming vegan or vegetarian. And I don't think being part of a small community of a certain life choice isn't really making you a minority in the political sense (I assume that's what the minority part is trying to imply here, that there's some sort of entitlement for a minority protection).

Also, promoting vegan diets for carnivorous pets is indeed animal abuse and should not be defended or promoted. That's typically a telltale sign of veganazis, which are generally a terrible thing even for actual vegans as they put the whole lifestyle into a bad light with their overly aggressive rhetoric and disinformation.

To put the shoe on the other foot, how would it sound to you if someone on the Carnivore diet, or on the Atkins diet called themselves a minority?

It just doesn't make sense, because dietary choices, are just that, choices. While actual minorities, like POCs and LGBTQ people, are born the way they are. They don't have any choices in the matter.

Don't get me wrong, dietary choices can be a super serious matter, and I am not saying that people aren't discriminated against for them. I just think its wrong to call someone a minority based on any sort of dietary choice, at least in the same context that minority is usually used.

I've responded to this before and no one cared but here is the original thread since everyone has greatly exaggerated what was said about cats who are obligate carnivores not obligated to eat meat per se.

https://lemmy.world/post/18691022

Sounds like something a carnivorous clown would say!

(/s)

I don't think it's intended to provoke non-vegan people, I think it's meant to be a 'for us, by us' community. PSA to all: there's a block community button for communities that are not hateful or illegal (you should report those) but are things you'd prefer not to see on your personalized feeds

Cause over the last few weeks, a bunch of debates over moderation drama have been full of people attacking vegans over the cat taurine debate. That drama is over and it reached a consensus resolution between the mods and admins. If they've made an executive judgement that the moderation drama is no longer relevant and baits carnists into breaking rule 5, then removing that debate is a valid application of rule 5.

Depends on the context maybe? Idk I am not a mod. I've just seen comments about arguing for eating meat or saying something like "I'm going to eat 2 hamburgers now because of you" which are just annoying. I thought that was what this was about. I'll leave my comments up for anyone else confused.