RFK Jr wants to promote raw milk as HHS secretary – experts say it’s dangerous
RFK Jr wants to promote raw milk as HHS secretary – experts say it’s dangerous
Let's see here, RFK wants to ban vaccines and promote raw milk.
There is currently a bird flu epidemic in dairy cattle from bird droppings getting into the feed.
Consuming raw milk is one of the few ways humans can become infected with bird flu.
I'm sure this will be fine and the virus won't mutate to allow for human to human transfer, it if it does luckily it only has a 56% mortality rate compared to the Covid morality rate of ~4% during its peak.
RFK is secretly a flu virus wearing a human suit.
[preface and disclaimer: I’m remembering off the top of my head something I read over 30 years ago, details may not be exactly correct]
Not sure whether you remember the chapter of Sideways Stories from Wayside School, by Louis Sachar, in which there was a student who nobody liked, who was a real asshole and wore a stinky raincoat. The kids kept trying to take off his raincoat, but underneath was another, stinkier raincoat, just layers and layers of progressively stinky raincoats, and with every raincoat removed, the kid just became a bigger asshole and his laugh louder and more high-pitched.
At the very end, he turned out to be a dead rat in a pile of stinky raincoats.
That’s what the whole administration is shaping up to be. Except we knew this was coming and allowed it to happen, so I guess that, ultimately, we are the dead rat.
The plot twist is that the worm in his brain didnt die, its pulling the strings to keep him going and further the global parasite agenda
In the US, right now, the dairy farms where they let the cats drink raw milk saw half their cats die.
This is an actual thing.
Edit based on comments below: The context of this thread is concerning hi path AI. I should have been more clear. I am referring to dairy farms where the cows have hi path AI and the cats drink raw milk.
However it is impossible to tell if your raw milk is infected with hi path AI, so to the readers of this who are really in to drinking raw milk, I wish you luck.
You're sort of right ( based on the article I think you read about) The cats drank bird flu contaminated raw milk which led to them dying. For that reason, raw milk is dangerous to humans because pasteurized milk wouldn't be as dangerous. have reduced the chances of the bird flu, and other illnesses, from people that drink it.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/04/concerning-spread-of-bird-flu-from-cows-to-cats-suspected-in-texas/
*Edited
You might misunderstand. The bird droppings did not accidentally get into the cow feed. Humans put it there intentionally to save money. Just search for "poultry litter" or "broiler litter" and "cattle feed" if you don't believe me. The people who came up with this idea are actually proud of it.
the guy responsible for the death of 83 Samoans has more health advice …
Oh god he’s gonna kill someone
He's already killed a lot of people.
He also likely killed some people with his anti COVID vaccine rhetoric back in 2020.
Again
Try listening to the Behind The Bastards podcast about this guy if you can spare the time.
He is messed up far more than you think.
I think everyone is making way too much out of this. What could possibly go wr-
Oh.
I'm fairly certain, they just all got together to make a list of all the stupid things they could do to own the libs.
The neat thing about this one, is that It only hurts the people that are going to follow him. The people who didn't vote for that side know better.
You would hope so, but there’s just as many ‘crunchy’ people on the left as there are in the right.
Mfw the lefty "natural" bullshit peddled by health nuts gets tacit approval from my conservative parents trying to eat "traditionally" aka raw everything.
Most of those people are now all in for Trump. I'm not even sure I'd call them "left" in the way that people mean anyway, even before they became Trump supporters.
Unfortunately, vaccines aren't all 100% protective. And there are people who get the disease even though they were vaccinated. That means that the idiots who don't get vaccinated can spread the virus to people who wouldn't have gotten sick otherwise. Which of course doesn't mean that vaccination is bad, only that it is not perfectly protective. For example, I have had all the Covid vaccinations up to the day I got Covid. I only knew I had Covid because my wife, who was one booster behind me, got sick with Covid so even though I felt fine, I tested and saw that I also had Covid. But the vaccine kept me from getting sick.
Raw milk is dangerous. When I was growing up people would get sick all the time from raw milk it gets contaminated all the time.
We can’t even manage to keep listeria out of our waffles and deli meats snd have e coli onions but sure, raw milk will be no problem.
This is the dumbest shit I swear to god. Fuck this timeline already.
You haven't really tasted milk until you've sucked it right out a cow and finally we'll have a government that makes sure that Americans know that taste too.
If I and my friends and family could be certain of getting immunized against the inevitable H5N1 pandemic, this wouldn't bother me so much. But RFK jr. will combat the flu with honey and whole grains and the death toll will make Covid look like a cold. Thinning the herd. Maybe we'll get lucky and RFK jr & Trump and his true believers will get it first.
How do you fail to ask yourself why it was pasteurized in the first place?
This is a situation where we let Darwinism take it's course. The people who are stupid enough to listen to this are going to drink it, get sick, and then wonder what happened. Maybe I'm more negative than usual, but fuck em. Let them fuck themselves.
They're going to kill out kids, not just their kids and themselves. RFK Jr is a plague rat.
I look forward to the establishment of c/HermanCainAward
Nah man, this has been a long time coming. I agree: fuck all of them.
Evolution in action.
Yeah but we're talking about stupid people. In their brains they're probably convinced that milk is not heat treated to kill pathogens but because of government population control or something.
Today's Republican Party didn't get into their position of awesome power by listening to experts....
"I think, the people of this country have had of experts" - Michael Gove, (during UK brexit campaign)
Trump wants the population to be closer to 100 million. He said that before the start of one of his press conferences to a journalist ... something to the effect that "we could use 2/3 less of all of you."
He is willing to kill off a lot of us to make his life easier. The USA elected a right wing Pol Pot.
And if you kill off brown people, you solve their demographic "issue" (it's not actually an issue, they're just racists). Two birds with one stone.
With any luck MAGAts will self-select in removing themselves like they did during COVID.
Go ahead. Let your anti science cultists get themselves sick. I don't fucking care anymore.
It feels like we're living in the middle of one of those cultist documentaries, where 29 years from now the stupid fucks that survive are going to be on camera going "I know it sounds weird, but it was really compelling at the time". Except this cult doesn't even have fun drug fueled orgies.
Kind want to find a fun drug fueled orgy cult and disappear for about 4 years
Gatez was involved in drug fueled child prostitution, wasn't he?
I've seen a documentary about the Jan 6th timeline and one insurrectionist said this in an interview. He couldn't think anymore and everything about it seemed like the best thing since the invention of toast. He allegedly saw his errors in hindsight. I'm more than convinced he is back in the cult. Can't fix stupid.
I've been involved in a number of cults both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower but you make more money as a leader.
He's going to be in a position where he may actually be able to ban pasteurized milk, vaccines, and more.
This is the most dangerous political appointment in US history.
Except this cult doesn’t even have fun drug fueled orgies.
Drugs may be bad for one's health, but orgies are good. So yes please. I'll be the cult leader with prima noctae right.
Raw milk is totally safe....if the cow is totally healthy and if there aren't pathogens floating around the cow.
I mean, my friend next door used to drink off the cows's teats. His Mom would scold him for it, but he did it to show off. We used to milk their three "city cows". Literally the cows would sleep in their garage and then walk to pasture on an every day basis. They would get milked every morning and we would walk to their house and buy a couple of liters from them. Sometimes cheese or bulgaros yogurt.
Everyone loved the cows. They smelled like cows but you could safely pet them and not expect feces on your hands.
The cows we get milk from are all rolling around in feces in confined space and they eat dry moldy feed. Like that stuff is total animal abuse and prone to end up giving someone a cow Bourne disease of some kind.
My neighbors also had pigs and we had pigs. That is why we never ate pig... cows are clean compared to pigs. Pigs will eat bugs smeared in pig feces. That is not normal really because pigs in the wild, although dirty, do not just swim in their feces like captive pigs do. If you ever want to go vegan for whatever reason, visit a captive pig farm. Learn that smell....then go to the butcher shop's trash bin and learn that smell...then realize that when you get your meat in your fridge, the death smell is what you're smelling. Makes me wanna puke 🤮 just thinking about it. And if your neighbors ever killed a pig, you would know it. Pigs don't go down easy. That's one positive thing I can definitely say about pigs. They know you're gonna kill them and they scream like anyone would....as in a person. It churns you inside out hearing that scream and then when it stops you know it happened. Pigs don't go down quietly.
Anyway don't eat animals, but if you're gonna eat milk or dairy, make sure it's pasteurized! Any well understood removed person like myself could agree 💯👍.
Best copy pasta I’ve seen in a while
Thanks, I do my best with dairy.
Yeah the state of factory dairy's... You want that shit pasteurized. Feces everywhere. Cows have all kinds of diseases. Filthy environment. It all gets killed or deactivated by pasturing.
Long before there were factory dairies, there was already TB in milk.
Same friend got in trouble for shooting milk from the cow onto incoming city traffic in front of his house. All this as pre-teen kids ofcourse. You wouldn't find a self respecting adult.....yes you probably would.
Raw milk is totally safe…if the cow is totally healthy and if there aren’t pathogens floating around the cow.
Yeah, we'll just make sure that the cows are healthy using the USDA's regulatory capabilities. After Trump fires all of the career experts and replaces them with sycophants. What could go wrong.
Yup. Plus ebola is definitely not airborne if you walk slowly 6 feet behind everyone else.
Mmmmm bacon....
Newspapers need to just call RFK jr what he is - a child killer. Forget about this raw milk stuff and lay out the direct harm he has caused including deaths of babies from his vaccine misinformation.
They never will. Especially now that we've elected an authoritarian dictator who is hellbent on exacting retribution on anyone who may have slighted him.
And that includes literally just reporting objective reality. They might jail or execute one or two journalists to send a message, but they'll fall in line.
He's about to have the authority to effectively ban vaccines.
Yeah but y'know, you gotta have one very last last resort abortion method.
/s lol
I just hope they have the raw milk distribution set up to go live nationwide at the same time. I want all the people excited for this to get it, and enjoy it for as long as possible before the news gets to them.
Unpasteurised milk drank at cow temperature ‘can’ be fine - depending on the cow, milker and drinker. It’s ludicrous to even suggest it could be safely distributed nationally in the US. He’s an absolute lunatic - and so is anyone who buys it.
If it didn't risk spreading disease to everyone else, I would totally be on board with letting science deniers drink more raw milk
In 2025, how many children will die from raw milk?
That doesn't matter. What matters is that they get their way. We have to just sit on our hands and let them hurt enough people to make MAGAs switch allegiances. Or just let them keep killing people until there aren't enough functional MAGAs left to make any meaningful opposition.
There is no point to argue with them. Just let them do it.
You certainly may drink raw milk if you like, but it may always come with a nasty risk. Plus it doesn’t keep as well, so if it isn’t stored perfectly, you might have a 12 dollar gallon of foul white liquid.
By experts, do they mean anyone that paid attention to science and/or history classes in any developed country?
It's such a shame that so many of his health propositions have small bits of truth associated with them, yet because he lacks the true in depth look at a given topic he falls short of an overall good view. Listening to him talk about scientific research on Rogan was fucking excruciating.
It's all based on superstition, prejudice and quackery. The man's a con artist.
Raw milk and raw dogging porn stars
Politician life
They are gonna make ignoring the government main stream.
That would be a noble endeavor.
experts say it's dangerous
Then just get rid of them. Simple.
We should stop posting about Trump and his group of extraordinary morons.
The news cycle thrives on Trump, as every decision he makes manages to anger half the population, while the other half cheers him on simply to annoy liberals and progressives. This dynamic generates more clicks and ad revenue for news outlets, allowing Trump to continue making foolish decisions just to remain in the spotlight.
The only way to change this is to stop giving him space in the news.
Ignoring a problem won't make it go away.
Repeating the problem wont make it go away either.
Yet here we are after Trump's awful first presidency and after he tried to overthrow the government. It’s all because we are giving him more attention than he deserves.
We are past this though. I remember screaming this into the air at the radio listening to Jack Speer on NPR in 2016. He was going on and on about the awful things Trump was saying and how we shouldn't be hearing this. I screamed then why the fuck do you keep repeating it Jack, why?!? I blame the media 100% for his election in 2016, all that free publicity. 2024 though...I really don't have any answers...
This should have happened after the 2020 election, but the news thrives on clicks and outrage, so they keep giving him attention and fucked us all for the sweet sweet revenue.
Actually...
I think that of democracy will ever return to the US, current news outlets in the US should all go on the cutting block
Fuck the 24 hour news cycle where "journalists" all hunt around like creeps to get that latest story because we gotta broadcast something in those 24 hours... Let's broadcast any and all crime, making people feel unsafe. That'll get us more clicks!
News should be paid by an independent, neutral government organization that will finance actual journalism. The results from said journalism will be available on a number of sites, and maybe a Humber of TV channels at limited hours, like ut used to be in the past. News organizations should not and can not be owned by individuals, it WILL be abused. Laws must be enacted to require news to be truthful and anything even remotely pretending to be news should be limited by those laws. Mistakes can be made and when that happens, retractionsust be broadcasted or made available in websites with the same intensity as the mistake that was broadcasted
The US needs news sources that they can trust in because say what you want about magas, they're right in that the main stream media in the US is utter shit and cannot be trusted. It's just that they are wrong about what sources are bad. They're all bad, but their sources, fox news, oan, etc, are the worst by factors...
I wanna say yay Darwin will save the day but I'm too afraid of intentional sabotage on pasteurized milk.
I drank raw milk visiting my in-laws farm. Not my favorite, but their are some risks.
The guy with brain parasites wants us to drink milk that gives us intestinal parasites
God bless the USA
There is a difference doing it on the farm where it's only up to some hours old and from the shop where god knows how long it was sitting somewhere without refrigeration.
Dumb af is what it is.
The fact that will even entertain this and other anti-scientific consensus bullshit in the conversation is the poison in the well.
It's also stupid expensive.
The avocado toast of the right, except dangerous!
What I'm reading is that they want to foster the greatest source of bankruptcies in the US, healthcare costs, while lowering the living standards to turn the US into a "third world shithole country". For added irony, while also having an oligarch who had to migrate away from his home country for contributing to do the same in their birth country and not being able to reap what they sowed, just to end up doing the same in their new country.
It's the brain parasite that lives in raw milk saying that.
Baldur's gate 4
Chk! I will not be ghaik!
At least it isn't a contagion no? Like it's only the ones who drink it raw who are at risk. If so, have at it conservatives, drink all the bleach and raw milk you want
Depends on how the bird flu feels about that...
Like it’s only the ones who drink it raw who are at risk.
TB is contagious. So no.
Nope it's the worst time in history to advise raw milk. Millions of wild life birds and livestock is dying around the world right now because of H5N1. Human cases (allegedly mild) are ramping up already although they don't know/say if they are human to human transmissions. IIRC the CDC found viral material in raw milk and strongly advised to only drink pasteurized mild.
If they allow non-prescription antibiotic use too, and gut Federal law requiring quarantine, that's a great way to get resistant strains of tuberculosis.
And so the dumbfuckery begins. Long as its just recommendations he can continue to be the clown of the court
looks like Lysteria is back on the menu bois also Louis Pasteur rolling in his grave rn
The People's CDC, much like the factory, must grow.
WTF is going on in this thread? Are milkies the new tankies?
Maybe I’m remembering wrong, but wasn’t there a Portlandia sketch about why raw milk is bad?
Well, that does mention it but not that one. Two people try to sell the milk.
It's delicious! Give you diarrhea sometimes though.
So a win/win?
Yin & yang. The universe Is in balance.
never hear about this being his fault
see it on the shelf
Cool, I might make cheese. When did they start carrying this!?
Well, as long as only their terminally stupid follow these ideas, well, let them.
I believe you can get brain worms from raw milk.
Wait, so Trump was actually serious about this, and not just baiting him for election support? Like, seriously?
Let's get back to the good old days from the 1700 where we would all die of dysentery!
Can we please make a rule in that stupid US constitution that says that claims from politicians have to be supported by actual peer reviewed scientific evidence before they can utter said claim?
It would make the difference of light and day already
I mean, I think people should be able to make an informed choice to drink raw milk if they want. In my state it’s straight up illegal.
Edit: so people can drink alcohol or smoke weed, but raw milk is a bridge too far?
It's illegal to drink it? Or is it illegal to sell it?
Illegal to sell. Which means you cannot drink it as you cannot obtain it without a cow of your own.
As always with these headlines, it's best to not fall for extremes and rage bait. Not all milk has to be homogenized. And if the supply is near, as in you can buy it from a small farm that has cows grazing, raw is fine.
Europe had this figured out forever. Not sure why you need brain worm guy to lay the smack down on stupid rules in North America.
Last time there was a surge in raw milk consumption tons of ppl got sick.
What's the point though? Just heat it up a bit and it's safe. The only argument for why you shouldn't do that is conspiracy nonsense.
Survivor bias in action. It might be delicious, and you can choose to take the risk, but the science is undeniable.
Unpasteurized milk itself isn't the problem. It's the consequences of trying to milk cows at an industrial scale that are. You simply can't keep it free from contamination the entire time from the cow to the grocery store shelf.
Without pasteurization, the pathogens that make their way into the milk are going to fester. Fresh milk from a cow isn't going to kill you, but drinking that just might.
Perfect solution. Everyone who wants milk just needs to have their own cow.
@NABDad I don't think we're allowed to have cows where I live at all, and horses are only permitted if you have five acres or more.
Apart from the bird flu being really fucking dangerous raw milk is just a matter of being used to it. If you drink it your whole life it is really not a problem to drink it, as long as a proper hygiene is applied. However, aomeone who isn't used to it might get sick from drinking it.
Raw milk can contain dangerous bacteria like salmonella, E. coli, Listeria, Campylobacter, and others.
Sounds yummy
I know a guy who got tuberculosis from raw milk.
Don't forget delicious parasites and their eggs.
Quit saying objectively stupid shit that will get people killed. Jesus Christ.
This isn't an opinion, it's a hazard.
"I think that allowing my child to go play in traffic really isn't that bad". Look if your stupid ass commits suicide by raw milk, fine, but there are people who don't know all the facts who might listen to you, and you might be directly responsible for getting the idea into their heads that, when acted upon, kills them. That's close enough to murder by any sensible ethical standard.
Quit it.
Just seen this is in lemmy.world - home of the big brains who are experts IN EVERYTHING. Makes sense why a factually accurate statement gets downvoted.
If raw milk is as dangerous as some of the keyboard experts on here think then Louis Pasteur would never have been born - humans would’ve died out in Northern Europe long before.
Actually, people DID die from these pathogens, in droves, before pasteurization. Most of those didn't get a chance to "get used" to it, because they were CHILDREN, who hadn't had a lifetime to get used to it. They'd get sick from this, and either die of some foodborne pathogen, or an opportunistic infection taking advantage of their weakened immune system would kill them off - scarlet fever, mumps, measles, tuberculosis, etc.
It's not just "well if you drink it you die". Thousands would likely die from this - in fact, if you pay attention to the raw milk weirdo cultists on Facebook and other outlets, their kids do get sick and die way more often, usually because those people also don't believe in things like modern medicine. Combine everything ABOVE with a man who has literally stated, multiple times, on microphone, that modern medicine is a sham and he'd love to see the whole modern pharmaceutical industry disappear, and one hopes you can begin to see where the "fear mongering" is coming from, logically.