Elon Musk joined Trump call with Ukraine’s Zelensky after US election
Tech tycoon Elon Musk joined a call between US President-elect Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky the day after the presidential election, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.
God, I feel for Zelensky... Imagine fighting for your existence against Russia and having to talk to these morons for help.
Remember when we had a whole impeachment hearing against Trump for withholding aid to Ukraine so he could get a political hit piece on Biden? I'm wondering how long it will take before a quid pro quo scenario pops up again. Either in Ukraine or elsewhere. So ya, we're all feeling for Zelensky in the next few years.
Impeaching him might be on the docket, if the Republicans really want Vance in the puppet seat. I think they'd rather manipulate him than whatever fucking impending shit-splosion Trump will become about 3 minutes in.
I think Vance might at least be convinced to do logical things. We know that isn't happening with Donny.
There may exist a scenario where north korea is trying to build something that looks suspiciously like an Ohio class submarine and he has a strange golf bar appear on his desk.
Zelensky probably spent the whole call wondering if it would be faster to just hand deliver everything they talked about directly to Putin.
I'm sure his conclusion at the end was "We need to build nukes immediately".
I’m sure they will help, “Just give Russia what they want, war over, problem solved”
My guess is Trump essentially extorted him in the namel of "making a deal" in exchange for American aid.
Remember when they used to try to keep corruption somewhat hidden and deniable? Now the richest man in the world is just going to be walking around the White House, tugging the government’s leash on full display.
Love watching the oligarchs take over...it's nowhere near as subtle as I thought it was going to be.
Fucker will disable Starlink in Ukraine and allow it in Russia
He's going to be on the cabinet while getting billions in government contracts. The richest man in the world just got a job where he gets to to shovel more government money to himself. And that's what Trump calls 'draining the swamp' and 'sticking it to the elites'.
And somehow, instead of democrats calling that out, they decided to find their own elites to trot out.
Didn't he do that already?
It wasn't enabled in Crimea in the first place. The author misspoke/lied about in the book and has later admitted it.
U.S. sanctions to Russia forbid the use of Starlink. This includes crimea and the occupied territories. That's why it wasn't enabled.
To clarify on the Starlink issue: the Ukrainians THOUGHT coverage was enabled all the way to Crimea, but it was not. They asked Musk to enable it for their drone sub attack on the Russian fleet. Musk did not enable it, because he thought, probably correctly, that would cause a major war.
And before someone points out the 'cause major war' things, those are Walters words, not Elon's. Musk said "It would make SpaceX explicitly complicit in a marjor act of war and conflict escalation" He later also added that had he been contacted by the US officials and asked to enable it he would, but they didn't.
He's already done so, actually. Under the guise of "blackouts".
Nah, he'll use the location services from the dish to pinpoint the Ukrainian troop locations. If they're smart they'll start smashing them immediately.
Since when do we allow regular civilians to participate in diplomatic calls?
Since the US bacame an oligarchy.
It's almost like a member of Trump's cabinet was sentenced to prison for doing that exact thing between Trump's 2016 election and taking office.
Yeah but for people to know that would require actually understanding the impeachment proceeding and prior/subsequent investigations.
I think we all know how that went.
When you have a president that dgaf about anything saying otherwise.
Musk's whole "slash government spending" schtick is such a farce. Tesla wouldn't have domestic manufacturing facilities without a DOE loan. SpaceX survives off of government contracts.
Slash government funding for everything except the socialism for the rich.
The NPR article goes into this. Elon likely will award himself money without oversight while cutting programs like NPR and the SEC and other regulatory bodies etc.
Slash Social Security, add EV subsidies, make them so that only Tesla qualifies in practice.
Oh that never includes the donor class.
Hilarious that his administration is already leaking worse than a Russian submarine.
Zelensky deserves better than these hosers
Maybe Germany France Italy Spain Sweden Finland Poland ... and the UK could step up?
I mean let me dream a little.
If others followed UK donations, this wouldn't be a problem.
Germany, LMAO. Didn't they have their lips around putin's pipe that got blown up?
I bet the "russia is a trade partner" shtick will come back real soon.
Ukraine is f*cked now and soon Europe too.
Technically, a lot of NATO countries still have nukes. So they might be half as fucked.
What a dilema for Ukraine! I feel their abandonment will be a microcosm for our leaving to the wolves.
I think a lot of Americans don't understand that the USA hedgemony isn't a divine right, it was a deliberate construction with tacit agreement of convenience from the western world.
Much like an economy, belief makes it so.
Much like the UK's arrogance has driven them into geopolitical obscurity, so will the USA's.
In 15 years, Americans are going to wake up and realize that their voices are irrelevant in the world. I don't know how y'all are going to handle it.
I deeply, desperately hope you’re right. In the best case, the military (including the nuclear arsenal) gets as hollowed out as russias before that realization comes.
Hedge money
This is bad
When you're a star they let you do it.
I guess we now know who will really hold power in the oval office. Spoiler: it's not Trump
A scammer gets reeled into a phone call between a president and a mobster wannabe.
Great timeline
Said it before, I'll say it again....we are, absolutely, without question.....in the Biff timeline.
Marty failed. Wtf.
Doesn't he have like ten companies to run... into the ground?
The companies might do better if he's there less to make decisions for them.
"Look honey, the clown show already started."
nice, a five year old participating in diplomacy regarding nation destroying wars. what could go wrong.
He paid for Ukraine's StarLink connections that he shuts off when Musk feels like it, and the incoming president who will shut off aid when Musk feels like it.
I wonder if this will make it into the Senate Confirmation Hearings when Trump makes him Secretary of Making Things Worse Before They Get Better. (Or maybe they are smart enough to not give him a job that requires Congressional approval....)
hasnt musk given his starlink crap to the russian military?
Not a surprise knowing Trump these days.
So Trump and Vance are outsourcing their jobs to Musk...?
My prediction is Zelenasky will call for an ellection allowing Trump to fund the war without looking weak after the shut he said about Zelenasky.
It is a real possibility since iran and russia are working together and trump backs israel against iran. The logical next step is to back ukraine againts russia.