Democrats Will Win Again Once the Economy Tanks

Having elected a fascist autocrat, who already prepared the way by having the supreme court declare him above the law. Living in the country with the most militarized police, a nation with a massive capability to spy on it's own citizens, citizens who have little critical thinking capability to begin with. A society where social media creates the reality those poorly educated citizens live in, and social media is owned by oligarchs who benefit from a system where pleasing one narcissistic leader gives them power over regulators and increases their wealth more rapidly. I think people are a little optimistic to believe we can't call the next election today.
- Ding ding ding! This is the right answer folks. US citizens will be lucky to get fair elections (if at all) for the foreseeable future. There is no counterweight to what lies ahead, the doors to hell have been opened and no one is coming to save you. If you are in the US, you have the following choices: leave, survive (read: assimilate or hide), or fight.
  
  If you are in the US, you have the following choices: leave, survive (read: assimilate or hide), or fight.
  If you're wealthy and worth a shit you can leave. No country on earth worth moving to will accept my worthless factory worker ass...
  I just watched a video about "easiest countries for an American to move to" and was infuriated... I was expecting countries with low standards for acceptance except this is all it was:
  1)digital nomad and retirees
  2)digital nomad and retirees
  3)digital nomad and retirees
  4)digital nomad and retirees
  5)digital nomad and retirees
  ...for fucks sake those people already have the world to choose from... Guess I'll just suffer.
  
  I'll fight. There's a line that I draw: if they start deporting legal immigrants I will be a domestic terrorist, just like the GOP
  Strange, I can't find a picture of the banner that said exactly that at cpac. Just like the GOP said, nah I'm just kidding
- I think they’re a little optimistic to assume any elections that aren’t Putin style going forward. We are done as We The People. The American Experiment is over.
  That feeling in your belly? That need to huddle with your people, in closeness and silence? It’s the waiting room. Because you don’t know what we are going to be yet, but it’s not going to be a democracy and it’s not going to be America.
  Wishful thinking is part of how we got here.
- Big difference between this and 2016 is JD Vance is the adult, not Mike Pence. His ties to Peter Thiel is scary. Also we just had a billionaire buy votes, no way that is going to stop now.
  
  I seriously never thought I would wish we had Mike Pence in a position of influence
- Well we can bend over and spread our cheeks or we can at least make it as difficult as possible and maintain whatever last rays of hope that we can. It's the least we can do if we really are the last real American citizens.
  Trump certainly didn't roll over and apparently that pays off in surprising ways sometimes.

No they won't.
Trump just said that he's going to impose tariffs that are going to increase the cost of living by about $400 a month per family. Elon Musk just said he plans on imposing "hardship" on the country for a few years. And Americans voted ovewhelmingly in favor of that. The economy will tank, yes. But they'll just blame Democrats and the voters will eat it up.
Don't believe me? gestures at Tuesday.
That's assuming we have another election at all. Trump -- A man, remember, that has repeatedly said that terminating the Constitution was on the table -- now has the White House, both branches of government, a supreme court largely appointed by him, and several state governments. Moderate republicans have been successfully rooted out or marginalized. Trump could very well follow through on that promise, backdropped by the thunderous applause of the other two branches of government.
- The trend is that when the economy is bad for the average person, it hurts the incumbent.
  I don't think the people whose votes swung the election in Trump's favor know how tariffs work or what policies Musk has in mind. They don't even know why eggs are expensive (bird flu); they just know things were cheaper last time Trump was president.
  Of course that's assuming there's a free and fair election next time around.
  
  And these goldfish forgot that gas prices were low because of a botched COVID response that way, way reduced demand and rocketed back up because we all got out of lockdown and demand went back to normal, at least that was partly why the prices went up.
- I already had a trucker come into work saying the Dems have been propping up the economy and it'll fail for God-Emperor Cheeto. Already making excuses.
- And Americans voted ovewhelmingly in favor of that.
  I really hate that I'm seeing this everywhere. Americans overwhelmingly didn't vote. Yes, according to math that means they voted for Trump, but why they didn't bother to vote is a lot more important. Yes, that means they're responsible for what happens, but if Democrats can't get people to vote for them how do they expect to win?
  
  If Democrats can't point at a fascist and say, "Look, I'm running against a literal fascist. You and I may disagree on some things, but we all know fascists are bad" while Trump aligns himself with other autocrats and fascists, then what is even happening in this world? We failed ourselves on election day. Trump has made himself known. A majority of voters picked him, and they collectively either completely ignored reality for the last decade or decided they're on board with his vision. The party isn't to blame, when the alternative was so foul. People chose this, whether through ignorance or malice. Make no mistake, both made an appearance
  
  Not voting is the same thing as voting for a Republican. The odds are already stacked against any progressive candidate because conservatives are more willing to open their wallets to corporate donors. Non-voters are traitors just the same. They failed to accept their civic duty.
- Suspending or terminating the Constitution by the federal government is definitely a good reason for secession if I've ever seen one. I hope California and other such states are thinking hard about their future here. That would be the last act of the United states.
  
  Oh, I'm not saying it would be a good idea by any stretch of the imagination. Secessions would be the least we'd have to worry about.
  I'm just saying that in a world where Trump has seriously and repeatedly suggested it, his voting base has actively said they're OK with it, and all 3 branches are firmly and securely in his pocket, Trump going so far as to actually suspending the Constitution is a very, very real possibility. Especially if he's being advised by an administration stacked from top to bottom with Trump yes-men and crazies that make Qanon conspiracy theorists seem sane.
- Nah bad economy means the incumbent gets kicked out.
  Happens every time

Democrats are NOT leftists, they're center right at best. They ultimately serve corporate interests and NOT the will of the people.
You will never get universal healthcare, police reform, free college, less military spending, and other leftist ideals from the Democrat party because they're not leftists. Doing these things runs counter to the interests of their corporate masters.
We have a fascist party and a conservative party, but we don't actually have a liberal party. We haven't had one since before Clinton.
- We don't need a liberal party. We need a party that serves the interests of people, not corporations and oligarchs.
  
  We need a labor party.
  
  We needed Bernie.
- Democrats are NOT leftists, they’re center right at best.
  Americans are NOT leftists, they're center right at best.
  Edit: Also, everyone loves to blame Democrats for turning conservative after Jimmy Carter, but have you looked at the election results from 1980? 1984? 1988?
  You run to represent the population you have, not the one you wish for.

Historically, fascist governments are voted in.
They're never voted out.
- This is exactly what has me so horrified. Hitler was stopped as was Mussolini.
  There's no one strong enough to stop America and with our geographic and strategic locations we're practically invincible. :(
  
  A better example might be the collapse of communism in Russia and the former USSR. The system just got increasingly rotten until it crumbled from within. And despite the self-serving lies, Reagan had nothing to do with it. It was all down to the people in those countries who had finally had enough.
- Well, I'm hoping we are a little closer to Franco's Spain, and things just peeter out once Trump dies.
  
  Trump gonna die ( kill by it's masters ) so Vance can get promoted as the perfect puppet to push the US even more into dictatorship using the coup for more violent repression of everyone they dont like
  
  Franco's a worst case, and there are still lingering problems in Spain due to the compromises made in order to restore democracy.
- But they can also be ended with protests. See East Germany.
  
  Yes, but that was more a case of the government collapsing due to Germans fleeing through Hungary and Austria.
  Besides, I don't really want to wait 50 years for the GOP to finally wither away.
  
  Just gotta get yourself a foreign sponsor to start sabotaging the US and get the rest of the world to stop selling you food, oil, or consumer goods like the US did to the DDR.
- Haven't seen many people asking, but aren't an awful lot of votes being counted by ES&S?
  Who even says we voted this one in?
- But they also seldom last long until they're overthrown.
  
  Mussolini had power for 21 years.

You don't vote fascism away. This is why it was so important for the DNC to listen this time around.
- You don't vote ~~fascism away~~. This ~~is why it~~ was so important ~~for the DNC to listen~~ this time ~~around~~.
  
  Oh no, you accurately assessed fault. DNC sucks but fascism sucks harder. Great job non voters.

Whoop-de-frickin-doo.
If Project 2024 is implemented, it’ll take many consecutive terms with full control of Congress to fix the damage, assuming it can be fixed at all.
Repealing legislation is far easier than enacting it. Trump was able to repeal 112 climate regulations in his first term, during a pandemic.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks-list.html
- Don't forget the judges like Cannon they plan on installing now that they have full control of the Senate. Those people never go away. Any future government will have any attempt to make change shot down by rubber stamp judges.
  The billionaire class won.
  
  Removal of compromised officials is a typical move following a revolution. It would be entirely reasonable as well as necessary to remove every single official appointed by Trump or his successors, and to bar them from public office for life.
  The billionaire class won.
  They haven't won until we've all surrendered or are all dead. Are you taking orders, or are you taking over? Those will be our only choices.
- And when the Democrats don't fix it fast enough, Republicans will get elected all over again.
  
  Love your optimism. Might not be another election, at least a fair one. I look for elections like Russia, where Putin gets 99 percent of the vote
- We still haven’t recovered from Reagan. This is going to take a looooong time to fix.
  
  Thanks non voters!
- it’ll take many consecutive terms with full control of Congress to fix the damage, assuming it can be fixed at all
  Assuming non-revolutionary means are used. If the Constitution is thrown out the window during this period of darkness, we are not going to be in a situation where incremental reform is called for. It's going to be a phase shift.
  
  Who are your allies in this “revolution?” Do you honestly think one half of the nation can take on the other half and the US government all at once?
  We are divided, the wealthy are conquering.
- Pretty sure those environmental regulations were all things Obama had to do through executive orders because the GOP controlled the legislature.
  It's much harder to undue things that have passed both houses and been signed into law.
  
  True, for the time being. The fully Republican controlled Congress we have coming should have a much easier time than the split we have now.

No they won't because the opposition party will be crushed. This mirror's Mussolini and Hitler exactly as a classical fascist rise to power. The Democrats will be no more in four years.
- If they need a sneak peak they can look no further than the history of Mussolini, or Hitler. The strenuous members of the parry are already being abandoned. The capitalists have already backed the fascist as is par for course. Next up is the installment into power and the oppression of any dissenters. Afterwards its a heyday on whatever scapegoats they've chosen and war.
  The only goal now is survival and resistance.
- In this situation, the Democrats are irrelevant. They're too bought into the rotten system to meaningfully change it.
- Or he can pull an Orbán and keep the dems on life support, just strong enough that they will be an effective spoiler for anything new, but never strong enough to be an effective challenge.
  
  Might as well revolt at that point.

People have got to stop believing that "things will just work out."
No, they won't.
We aren't guaranteed anything. I'm sorry after school specials lied to you, but there is no "spirit of goodness" that permeates reality that will make all of this okay.
There are no heroes coming to save us from the fire.
We let the worst happen, and now if we ever want decency again, we are going to have to fight tooth and nail against tyrrany to make it happen. Period.
Don't waste your time listening to anyone still talking about this situation in terms of candyland simplicity and standard decorum. Not even the shitty status quo will save us, because we blew up the status quo in favor of fascism.

The Democrats won't win until and unless they grow a spine. This is not a situation where genteel institutionalists are needed: we need people with principles, discipline, drive and focus, who won't stop fighting until the corruption is completely rooted out.

..and Republicans will certainly crash the economy.
The only question left is whether or not there will be elections in 2026.
- There will be elections in 2026. The question is how fair they will be.
- Actually, to be quite honest... we've been looking at a pretty much inevitable recession in 2025 for about nine months now.
  The slight upside is that this will happen in the onset of Trump's term and likely lead to widespread discontent instead of hitting a Harris administration right out the gate.
  For poetic justice this whole cycle of greed-flation into recession seems to have been mostly triggered by Trump royally fucking up his pandemic response on the first place.
  
  It’ll just be blamed on the Harris administration, there will be some type of propping up of the economy to give Trump an upswing and then another event will happen and it’ll be the new reason it’s not trumps fault
  “Oh we see Germany gearing up their military, and you know what that means WWII, we have to fund new military programs it or we will all die….the economy is gonna take a hit, but we are patriots America”
- All those infrastructure investments Biden made will begin to pay off economically during Trump's term.
  He will be sworn in, do nothing, and declare inflation has been solved. The media and right-wing podcasters will parrot it, and all your relatives will brag, grinning from ear to ear, how smart they were looking past his rudeness anf picking the guy who saved tjem from those crazy prices they saw during the Biden years.

Republican voters turn out for anyone with an R.
Reality doesn't matter to the cult.

Another way of saying “Americans have absolutely no spine”
- And absolutely no memory. I keep seeing "I was better off four years ago." Really? We were in the middle of a pandemic that was so badly mismanaged that we suffered a higher death rate than any other developed economy, and caused all the issues Biden has worked four years to untangle.
- Around 2/3 of us, yes. The 1/3 who voted red, and the 1/3 who did not vote.
  But not all of us.
  
  I don't know how to tell you this, but the third who voted democrat are at fault for repeatedly letting dems know they'd vote blue no matter who.
  Not everyone wants to vote in Mussolini to avoid getting Hitler.
- Americans do have a spine. The problem is that too many of them are no longer connected by functioning brains. Those spines are what elected Trump.

You think there's going to be another vote?

They needed to remind people how they had to scramble for toilet paper when Trump was in office. That was on his watch, not Biden's.
Was Biden's economy bad? Yeah, but not "buying bootleg toilet paper" bad.

The cope among thr Democrats post election has been embarassing. 0 reflection as to why they lost (just like in 2016), blaming every possible external factor imaginable instead of thinking "hey, maybe we sucked and need to actualy be people that people want to elect" instead of relying on the "ooooh this guy is bed, better vote for us to keep him out" strategy.
They have fucked up in a major way, in what should have been a slam-dunk election, by ignoring what people actually want and trying to be Great Value Republicans when the right has Coca-Cola Fascism readily available to them.
I hope adherence to the corporate staus quo was worth it, you absolute fucking buffoons.

We're a seesaw government now with both parties captured by corporations. Each party will take turns as the world turns to shit.
- That's how it's been for basically decades
- No, that's what we were.

Assuming Democrats are still around to campaign expect the same milquetoast, center-right bullshit platform of getting things "back to normal" to kill any kind of enthusiasm from their base. Don't get me wrong I voted for Harris but I'm getting really tired of voting against having evil men in power over someone I actually like. I want Bernie Sanders, not Margaret Thatcher Lite.
- They'll campaign on abortion and re-legalizing gay/interracial marriage.
  Those will require a trifecta of branches, with significant margins in the Senate, which will seem impossible so no one will vote for them because we'll know they can't deliver on what is being promised, just like this time around with Kamala and Abortion.

Let the Democrat party die. We need a strong Labor party. Give it a different name, if desired, but we need a party that is unrelentingly for the people, not the corporations.
- Such a party can only work if it has a hard rule forbidding corporate financial support in any form. As soon as corporate or billionaire money gets involved, it will revert instantly back to a neoliberal/conservative party.
  It is not possible to have an honest political party that also accepts financial support from the oppressing class.

The problem is, the economy will rally in 2025 because of rampant deregulation. That rally will be marketed as "a booming economy", even if it's tanking by midterms. This will fuck our midterms chances. I hope I am wrong, but it seems obvious to me.

Elections?
If Republicans pull the house there will be no elections.
- They have all branches of government

See? We never have to change! We can just wait for the presidency to fall into our laps! Now, what Republican policies can we get away with adopting?

this is so naive

that's a very bold assumption. we'd be very lucky to have another election at all.

Starting to think this might be the beginning of the incumbent disadvantage as both parties continue to put up unpopular candidates that fail to address the systemic economic issues plaguing the country.

I don’t think they will, because I don’t think they’ll be allowed to win.

Lol, this assumes that free elections still exist. That is very unlikely. This is all the same long term cycle. People don't value democracy they value tiktok, real housewives, cheap gasoline and cheap eggs. There is no reason for them to recognize what they are losing before it's too late. It is what it is

We’re not having another election. Accept that right now. At most they will be Putin style “elections”.

Tik tock (not the social media)voting

We'll see. Right now we are in an UNBELIEVABLY good economy and I keep hearing - even from so-called leftists and centrists - just how terrible the economy is, etc., etc.
Yes, maybe white collar jobs have softened somewhat, starting in 2022, party because some of Big Tech overhired, but seriously, look at the various indicators....it's almost all good.
Contrast this market with the dot-com bubble burst, or the 2008 fallout from banks fucking around with subprime markets. Just what is so bad about this economy?
- The market is not the economy.
  The market is a measure of how much wealth is being extracted from the working class.
  If that's what the economy is then it will never matter how good it is, because the working class people still can't afford shit.
- From my experience talking with folks IRL they just food prices, home prices, and collage prices. My experience may be squed because I work at a supermarket and have to try to imply that it's the fault of greed without getting in trouble for making people not buying stuff a few times a week.
  They mean the cost of living, not economy.
  
  I wonder: did any of these people making these claims speak at all about what policy or policies changed this and what policy or policies will perform some kind of miracle to change it back?
- Perception is king. If people feel poor, even if they are not poor, they are poor.

What if the economy doesn't tank?
The President doesn't have that much control over the economy. That's a fundamental truth.
There will be awful policies but there's no guarantee of an economic collapse here.
- If Trump does what he said he will then there will be
  
  Trump doesn't do what he says he will do. Its pretty much random.
  The reliable grift, such as anti-immigramt hate and anti-muslim stuff is obviously coming. And as awful as they will be, I'm not convinced that it will have an obvious effect on our economy.
  When we start looking at things like Elon's grift or other Billionaires he's with, the stock market, crypto coins and other assets will go up. It seems unlikely to me that a crash would necessarily occur at the right timing you desire (this is bad for us in the long term. But the modern corporate economics world has become very good at hiding fraud and kicking cans down the road. Elon especially).
  If they can hold most money together and make their supporters money (see Cryptocoin and Tesla stock right now), then they have a winning economic message for their core supporters.
  Or do you think anyone actually gives a shit about how middle America will feel from this?
- Markets are cyclic and we're overdue for the AI bubble to pop. But I don't think that automatically means the Democrats can win another presidential election or win the Senate.
  
  overdue
  That's the problem. Bubbles keep growing until they don't. And there's no way to know when that will pop. This AI crap has been growing since 2016 AlphaGo or even 2012 IBM Watson.

No, Democrats have to get a hold on the immigration issue. The only countries in this world where progressive policies actually thrive is where leftwing parties have adopted stricter immigration stances (e.g. Denmark). There's no way around it.
Edit: Sure, downvote and keep losing

Yes democrats will win again and republicans will win in the future as well. How insightful.