Harris Tried to Win Over Republicans. Democratic Support Collapsed Instead.

Why learn anything, the policies they want will be implemented anyway 🧠

If there is one lesson we should learn, it's that they don't care to win. They are owned by the same corporate big wigs as Trump. They're on the same team, capitalism.

They only learn what they want to hear.

We need to go through them or around them. They wont change and they wont be convinced. That sort of sniveling triangulating intellectual cowardice cant be cured.

Body knows the problem. Everywhere you see they went to far left not left enough. Everyone has their opinion and nobody knows why this happened. I just know if single issue voters on gaze didn’t vote then they get what they deserve.

It literally doesn't matter if all you have to do is lie and promise everything.

Stupid article.

The Democrats have been chasing the mythical moderate conservative at the expense of the progressive left forever and have learned nothing. I want a fire and brimstone progressive who is belligerent and aggressive

The Tea Party forced the GOP to rebrand and restructure itself around the most extreme right wing ideas possible

Occupy Wallstreet tried to do the same thing, and... were savagely beaten by the police over it.

They had the billionaire Koch's to fund that. We're never getting a billionaire to fund the leopard party that will eat their faces.

:(

Actually, the Guillotine Party sounds like a great idea.

I think when she was announced as the candidate, she fired up the base just fine. She was different.

Then she spent the rest of the campaign reassuring people that nothing would change, pissing away that enthusiasm.

The Dems also need to get it through their skulls that it’s not just trump. The problem was present in McConnell and Gingrich. We need multiple parties willing to work together for the good of all Americans. Unfortunately the democrats are idiots with the policies of a quite reasonable right wing and the republicans are fascists who have spent 30 years rejecting their own ideas when said by democrats

And instead he was shot at, not for the race stuff, but when he started talking about the class divide in general.

The militancy of Malcolm X's message played a big part in that. Powerful whites were scared of Malcolm so they decided to work with MLK

They have clearly internalized the pervasive trope that leftists will vote for them, because they have no other choice, so the only thing that matters to convince is the right. Looks like they calculated wrong.

The funny thing is that Harris had a lot of progressive policies. She didn't tout them for some reason. Which I suspect was to get GOPers on board. Have a look here and wonder why she didn't talk more about them: https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/sep/30/kamala-harris-2024-campaign-promises-here-are-her/

I know every early on she was talking about possibly having a Republican Vice President before she wised up and went with Tim Walz and ran on his progressive ideas for about... three seconds till Nancy and the DNC told her to just do what Hillary did, as that worked for her and Kamela is obviously the second female president right now. /s

That was a media lie. She said that sarcastically and both her and the reporter were laughing. Media didn't report that fact, other than the original interview which aired like one time.

Don't tempt centrists.

In a really morbid way that would've been funny to see, if only to witness the confusion of conservatives.

Usually somewhat ironic, but:

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishhook_Theory

Fishhook Theory (or Fish Hook Theory) is an idea in left-right political science juxtaposed to Horseshoe Theory. Fishhook Theory asserts that the far-right and centrists are very similar, whereas the far-left is separate from them. Fishhook Theory takes its name from the fishhook shape it assumes the political spectrum to be, where the point of the hook is pictured to be the far-right, the eye is pictured to be the far-left, and the shank is pictured to be the centre.

Shit I was saying when Biden was still running and I got crucified for it.

As you shift to the right you leave your base behind, ignoring a growing, left swinging faction within the party is going to lead to outcomes like this. Working class people all have the same problems, and one party says they'll do something about it. They're lying, people who are generally smarter and paying attention know they're lying, but that's not most people.

The other party has had a chance, and failed to do anything to alleviate the concerns of the working class. Regardless of the circumstances, or their actual ability to affect change. And they spent the entire election cycle trying to curry votes from a dedicated base instead of getting voters excited about something.

Swing left, swing hard. Become the unhinged leftist the other side is already accusing you of being.

Not only that, if she's not targeting Democrats they won't feel motivated to vote for her. Yes, yes, fascism was the other option. But people are not smart, and I say that as a people.

Democrats would prefer to lose than become more progressive because the rich and powerful still benefit from Republicans winning or Democrats winning as long as Democrats are still centre-right wing.

As soon as Democrats move left the elites start to lose so Democrats don't.

And we won't have another election again, so these democratic voters who stayed home have denied themselves any other opportunities to right this ship.

checks calendar

The way political cooperation, negotiation and compromise are viewed as acts of unforgivable weakness in the US sets up a climate where functional democracy appears impossible. The US seems destined to lurch from one impulse to another with half the country thinking each is a colossal mistake and an affront to their way of life.

No, I do not mean this as any kind of "both sides" argument. The fact there are only sides to determining how a society governs itself, the winners and the losers, is the point.

Honestly when was the last time we even had it. Clinton's first term?

Well at least when it wasn't just dems caving to republicans

I can wait for the book about how Kamala and Walz felt about the Democrat machine and the turn they did to Republicans weeks after the strong start they had.

"I remember when Democrats were for the working people?"

What was the Great Depression like?

It was the stupidest of ideas. Republicans were never going to vote for her in any numbers

It is what the donor (capital) class wanted. Liberals are capitalists which means they serve the capital class first and foremost.

I don’t understand the Democrat strategy at all

Someone else summed it up better than I can. The democratic party is doing exactly what it set out to do.

Nitter link.

They have no interest in furthering progressive policies so they don't. That's why the DNC chair is calling Bernie Sander's critique of the party's platform bullshit right now, instead of admitting he's right.

The system is as it does.

Democrats called those Twitter users Russian trolls. They are now advocating to restrict social media so this cannot happen again.

Well the actual numbers in the article above are misleading, as they talk in percentages of self-identified/registered voters. And what we have seen in this election is that there has been a big move of people who used to be (r) to moderates (according to NBC on their election coverage). So it's not making sense to compare percentage numbers.

We kept trying to warn you.

And every time - every last fucking time - anyone told you that moving to the right was going to cause people to stay home, you lot shot the messenger. Every time someone screamed the writing on the wall out loud, centrists who were so happy that the party was finally embracing genocide and Cheney were like "Russian! Tankie! Trumpist!"

I voted for Harris. You'll blame me anyway. Democrats will always shoot the messenger and double down on their simping for fascists.

Yes, my friend was one of them. I was shocked when 2 weeks before election he told me he was planning on not voting.

I asked why and he cited holding the same position Isreal as Biden, and courting republicans like Cheney, saying that was not a good look for the party at all.

I told him it’s not ideal, but we need to vote to keep Trump out…. Sometimes we just have to be pragmatic.

He responded saying it’s the Dem establishment that keeps allowing a boogey man like Trump to rise so they can shove center right corporatists down our throats. He said he was abstaining from voting to send a message to the DNC, and followed it up with, “we survived a first Trump term, I’m sure we can survive a second.”

Sorry dude, the problem is well beyond "leftists" and sooner or later you'll need to confront that.

I’m not one of them, I voted a month or so in advance by mail.

But I wonder if some people are tired of the lack of change with Democrats in charge and believe that things need to get worse before they can get better.

Pretty much, although it's probably an exaggeration to call them Democrats. In reality most of them are likely unaffiliated with any party. But it was literally Harris's job to convince them to come out and vote for her and she failed at it. When a candidate loses an election, barring election interference, it's their fault. Harris fucked us all by running as a diet Republican. Odds are anyone in here reading this did everything we could to hand her the win, but she pissed it all away by trying to steal votes from the Republicans instead of convincing people that they needed to get off their asses and come vote for her.

They all campaigned for Harris and mostly held their criticism to themselves. Harris is the one who decided to go campaign with Liz Cheney and Mark Cuban.

For many, actively supporting Israeli genocide is something they simply can't support.

If there's anything that this election has proven, it's that there are A LOT of one issue voters in this country, across the board. They'll ignore everything else for the one issue they care about above all else. And when you only have two viable parties, that forced a black and white decision.

The fundamental solution is eradicating First Past the Post and getting ranked choice voting so we have a multitude of parties that are all more nuanced instead.

But that won't happen unless we abandon both of the major parties we have now, and they can't let that happen because that means they lose power.

“That’ll show ‘em!”

This election was lost in every measurable way. She did not lose because of leftists who didn't vote on principal. She lost because the working class overwhelmingly chose not to vote for her. Many of them voted for Trump instead. Many first-time voters voted for Trump. She thoroughly lost to him in every possible way.

I seriously doubt left wingers were the difference in this election. I doubt there are significant enough numbers of far left people in Georgia, North Carolina, Michigan, and Wisconsin for it to have made any real difference.

Looks like you agree with the announcement 🤦

running a far right war and risking losing the election and ending the republic all so you can take some far right wing bribes is a lot more petty.

They did, but it isn’t great knowing how much better they are than you? We can at least take comfort in their “moral high ground” even though they let a guy who explicitly stated he wanted to be a dictator become president.

Harris relied on the left showing up for their rights and for democracy. But they will literally never show up. This is why the Dems will never, ever rely on the left showing up ever again. Dems will go hard center next election.

The fascist playbook has always been "meet me in the middle" and then take two steps back. Rinse, repeat. Fuck bipartisanship and fuck the corpo Dems.

This is so true and I'm saying this a white guy who has only felt the economic impact of their failures. I was a radical leftist when I was 15, now I'm 40. The only thing democrats have ever offered is damage control, they can't blame the voters for being apathetic.

The new friends in this instance are very rich and they entice the Democrats to leave their old friends with lots of money. But the old friends is where they get their power. The Democrat party loves money.

According to conservatives on reddit, she is "far left, even more extreme than Bernie" and that's why she lost.

Based on them already attacking Bernie, who sucked up to them so hard this last year, I doubt they're going to listen to anyone's opinion if it doesn't also come with millions of dollars

Done. And threatened to not vote for them next time