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  • Trump getting the popular vote is a problem that needs to be understood. The majority of America voted for a moron that looks as if he smears feces on his face after getting out of bed - among worse flaws.

    But what I find most painful is that this asshole wasn't locked up for J6. Him even being considered as a candidate is blatantly against the constitution. The fact democrats went along with this long enough to actually have the orange shitler win is insane. He is simply and plainly not eligible to be President of the United States.

    Edit: Ironically, this is the same clown that spent years nagging Obama for his birth certificate.

    • This is what's getting me. If he won via electoral college or couping, I'd be angry and ready to do the work to pull the country out of this mess and end Trumpism once and for all. But instead, he won the popular vote. People in the United States saw a wannabe-autocrat who was specifically called a fascist by his own officers who admitted to being a dictator "on day one" among so many other things. After seeing that, a majority of people either affirmatively supported the fascist candidate by voting for him, or they are tolerant enough of it to sit at home and not vote or vote for a third party knowing the outcome. And that really just makes me lose faith in my country and the people, and so I'm just sad knowing that this country actively chose this outcome.

      What's worse is that I really don't feel a strong desire to try to change anything since it'll just fall on deaf ears at best. More to the point, I don't even want to hear "their side" or "their reasons" for why they voted the way they did because no matter the rationale they give, it will come down to them being comfortable with oppression of minorities and autocracy. I always want to believe the best of people, but after today, I really can't anymore.

    • Itā€™s not a hard problem to understand.

      The Democratic Party is a right wing party already as it is. Center-right at best. And they are trying to court the fascist vote.

      They brought the Cheneys on stage for fucks sake.

      Problem is that Trump does fascism better than they ever could. So they are not getting those votes. But they are alienating the left vote and those people wonā€™t show up.

      In addition to that the demonization of men by the online left is pushing the newer generations right.

      A random man is not more dangerous than a random bear.

      Pushing shit like this in the face of impressionable young people does harm and makes sure they know you do not have their back. So why should they have yours ?

  • It was really hard seeing the all the Trump signs, but I truly believed we wouldn't make the same mistake twice.

    I'd be impressed if it wasn't so devastating. I don't even know how to look at my fellow countrymen without wanting to ask them , "Did you do this?" I feel so... Dejected.

  • It was feeling a lot like 2016 to me over the last several months. I physically face-palmed when she went on SNL. I held onto hope that after experiencing a Trump term things would be different but I should have known. After all, when in my lifetime has this country not let me down when it matters most?

    If there's any hope for the future, the Democratic party needs to evolve. We can't wait for another global crisis to get us out of this mess again.

    • If there's any hope for the future, the Democratic party needs to evolve.

      I would challenge this thought that we need to wait for the DNC to change before we can stand up to fascism. Everyone left of Trump's fascist right GOP is essentially lumped together in the same bucket, and there is only one Dem Presidential nominee to represent that enormous amount of people with vastly different feelings and takes on things.

      The ability for everyone in a group that large to feel 100% like they are getting everything they want in a candidate is really really small. The one thing that should be something everyone this side of fascism should be able to agree upon is democracy is something we should be looking to preserve no matter what. And we should look to elect candidates down ballot to help move the needle left (or maintain the "norm" or whatever your jam is) and help drive the change we would like to see long term. Waiting for the DNC to just up and change how you want isn't going to happen without a push from below by the people electing representatives set on making that change.

      And seeing a candidate that doesn't 100% represent all your issues, or your one BIG issue, and sitting out the election (with that effect trickling down ballot) or doing a protest vote just hurts everyone. And now it means we are going to be pulled hard to the right and is going to take an enormous amount of work (years) just to get back to where we were, let alone where we want to be.

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