Gulf Stream current could collapse in 2025, plunging Earth into climate chaos: 'We were actually bewildered'

"Despite being so common in English as to be known as the "Chinese curse", the saying is apocryphal, and no actual Chinese source has ever been produced." - Wikipedia

"Exciting times, kiddo"

So Don't Look Up.

This is because you're not sorting your recycling!

"We could do something about the asteroid, but think of the harm doing something could do to the shareholders!?"

Only "they" is actually "us". We voted those clowns into office. We knew (or should have known, the information was available) better at least since the 1970s.

It's actually kind of too late now.

But, we may be able to prevent more bad stuff happening if we change things today!

IDK, I mean we know it's to do with carbon but we don't really know how to stop producing that in a timely manner.

Carbon is causing global warming. We know how to fix global warming because we are causing it, we just have to stop doing it.

This article is about global cooling which is bizarre and not something we expected would be happening. We haven't got a clue why it's doing that. It maybe natural, or it maybe it's something we've done in a complicated way, but we don't know so we don't know how to fix it.

If this is just an ice age why may as well burn all the coal now to try and stave it off.

Although in reality I think this needs a lot more research before we do anything because this announcement makes no sense within our current understanding of the environmental science.

https://imgur.io/gallery/IPAc1CV.gifv

It’s on my to-do list.

What? I moved to the nordics so that I'd be living in a tropical paradise soon, now there's going to be more snow?

Michigan's Upper Peninsula is one of the places least likely to be affected by climate change, based on current models. In the US anyway.

Won't someone think of the shareholders?

I mean, that is always a concern lol.

I really hate this line of thinking.

"Making the world a better place" would be an enormous sacrifice for most people. There would be massive financial ramifications. Our quality of life would decrease significantly.

And people who do care often feel impotent to do anything about it.

Agree that drastic measures are necessary. It doesn't even have to mean a drop in living standards; but it will take radical changes to protect (and even raise) those standards.

Agree about imports. The problem I see is that even if products with a high carbon footprint are imported, it doesn't mean the person responsible for that carbon footprint isn't domestic to e.g. (going by your 'feddit.uk' handle) the UK. This could still be captured by an import ban (i.e. shareholders can't just export their emissions and pretend everything is okay), but the people with the power to export their emissions tend to have a lot of power to lobby the government, sit on government decision-making panels, or even choose MPs. They're unlikely to shoot themselves in the foot like that.

An example is laptops. They break every few years. For the past decade-or-so, they're made to be irreparable. They become landfill, and all that embodied carbon is wasted. Today's laptops don't even do anything that laptops of 15 years ago couldn't do, except deal with websites bloated with adverts. It doesn't matter so much where that consumer item is produced. The problem is the decision to make it so that it breaks and has to be replaced. Those decisions tend to be made in the west by people who will never willingly change their ways. It's all about profit.

I think part of the reason that people feel apathetic is that they know it's all about profit and are convinced that a system based on profit is the only way, so there's nothing to be done. Another way is possible, though, people just need to be organised and educated§ to achieve it.

§ I mean working-class education, not e.g. going to college/university.

Do you mean that people need to see how their life will get worse before they will be willing to act? That sounds a little accelerationist to me. But I'm not entirely sure of your argument. You seem to be saying that people would not be worried if they lost 4/5ths of their arable land, but I think I must be misunderstanding something.

(I think it's s tributary to the Gulf Stream that is at risk of collapsing, not the Gulf Stream itself, which, I'm told, is based on the earth's rotation rather than climate.)

Citation?

Well yes we keep finding it's getting worse quicker than anticipated

Your right, they said we had way longer before the climate would start collapsing, they should have warned us HARDER

This is just demonstrably false.

Genuine question: What do you understand by scientific 'prediction'?

Local cooling still global warming overall.

The collapse of the current in the model is a direct result of global warming. The solution is to act like climate change is an emergency because it is.

Ugh, and of course because of that people have been dragging their feet on making necessary changes to the point of doing basically nothing anyway… I feel like the risk of people saying it’s too extreme maybe would have been worth instilling a sense of panic in people over climate change? Feels panic worthy to me

That was dumb of them. Enough people would believe to make make actual changes. To move earth and societies. Now what do we got? Too many people that don’t believe because they tried to make people believe. I think that all continues to be a massive mistake. Just know that most people aren’t that smart and you can convince a lot of them. Be not scary enough and those same not smart people will work against you with their emotion based reasoning.

Yeah, for real though considering they are saying it could happen anywhere from 2025 (wtaf) to 2095 (lol)

Maybe I don't get it, but as far as I understand, the golf stream brings hot air to north Europe. This is why you can live on Iceland while at the same latitude on the center of Canada is unhabitable.

I'm afraid that for a place like Iceland this does not mean warm and sunny, but more extremes in weather.

The number of extreme storms are increasing :

https://www.vedur.is/um-vi/frettir/456-vidvaranir-gefnar-ut-arid-2022

Are you sure you aren't just thinking of Idiocracy?

So nothing major right? Business as usual.

Those are all the problems for places that don't get the heat the AMOC moves. It doesn't list the problem for the places where that heat doesn't leave.

Sure, Lots of issues. But a big probl is that the nuances of science is often missed when reporting on this issues , and gives fuel to deniers and lobbying organisations.

Regarding the golf stream the data is very inconclusive. Direct measurements have only been going on for about 15 years and at least 30 is needed to make any tendencies known.

15 degree cooler in winters if you dismiss the wind taking the place for heat transfers. I do agree that if we do not know exactly we should consider the worst case scenario. My problem is that the media reporting is counter effective since it report in the way it does.