Even Bernie didn't vote third party when it counted.

A third party has literally no chance to win in our system, and nobody gives a single fuck about the miniscule amount of votes they do get - you're not moving any metrics, or sending any messages, or taking any stands. All you're doing is helping the worse option win.

So, if you truly hate Palestinians, then by all means vote Stein. If you want to see Ukraine taken over, then please vote Stein. If you want to see our country start murdering every version of queer people, then you really should vote Stein. That's all you're going to get for it.

Whether you like to see the truth or not, a vote for a third party is still a vote for genocide.

It's just naive in my opinion. They say they care so much about Palestine, but refuse to sit down, grow up, and face our current political reality. I would love to have ranked voting, or even just a valid third party choice, but that is not going to happen in the next 3 weeks. And we are still reeling from the repercussions of the last Trump Term. They'll continue to stack government and courts with the same backwards thinkers to make progress, if any, even harder. They'll continue to make life harder and more dangerous for not even just minorities, but just anyone who's not able to buy their way out of it.

But it doesn't matter! They're both the same! There is no way Trump could be worse. Because while Palestinians watch Israel's interpretation of "just end it" with out a cease fire, they'll die with the knowledge that, somewhere, in another country, a woman is bleeding out in the parking lot because some people wanted to make a point. Oh, boy, won't that be great? /s

in the first 3.5 years of the question cycle

We are literally always in an election cycle this country is so fucked up

Not sure how to tell you this, but the right wing has, does, and will target ANY Democratic (or 3rd party) candidate that poses a realistic chance of beating them in the presidential election. The right wing doesn't want or know how to govern, they just want to control, so they attack those that are qualified to govern.

Russia and China support and amplify unserious 3rd party candidates like Stein and RFK Jr with the support of the Republicans, because without splitting the left's votes, the Republicans would be a powerless minority

I'll keep saying it: This is not a Mexican standoff you can win because the Dems have an out: the center voter. If you want the Dems to stop going center, they have to win all 3 houses consistently. They've had all 3 for only 4 of the last 24 years.

Bernie is the political equivalent of Rambo: Alone, behind enemy lines, with no support.

He had to do guerrilla politics most of his career and has a lot to teach.

Most of far leftists you see here with their accusations of “dOiNg a gEnOciDe” were absent from any discussions about Palestine prior to October. And I’d wager that a large portion of them couldn’t have pointed to Palestine on a map until around then either. I’d even guess that many of them still couldn’t.

I’ll digress.

At this point- you should probably know by now that there is no changing their minds. They know what they’re doing- we know what they’re doing. And there’s no point in debating with them because they’re just going to drag things out and repeatedly accuse you of shit that isn’t true in order to not have to answer anyone asking them to make sense of the rhetoric they repeatedly post here..

Call out their nonsense for what it is and move on. Save yourselves the time.

I never stopped talking about electoral reform. I refuse to stop talking about it no matter what day it is.

You know who will stop talking about the flaws of the voting system after the election? The democratic party and it's members. Like clockwork each election. They show their hand and then throw away the cards and expect you to forget they pulled them out and slammed them on the table in the most public way possible.

If you're complaining about third parties now, you have an obligation to work towards fixing this issue after the election. You may forget, but I won't. I will beat this drum till the blissful end to my wage slavery existence on this dirty planet.

Then in the next election, there will be much concern over third parties yet again. This meme will be reposted without one ounce of self awareness or shame. Looking forward to that day my blue conservative "allies".

We have been arguing this [if both sides are bad] for 18 months now since most of us joined this site last June. How are these memes not spam or misinformation?

Edit: I meant June of 2023.

To the mods: how was my comment misinformation?

Voting þird party under fpðp is like voting for mexican food while dining out in ð UK.

Even if you some ð fuck how managed to bully everyone else into doing it, you're still eating mexican food made in ð UK.

Ðat shit makes Taco Bell look like ð mom and pop shop that just labels ðeir sauces by ð color and ðat consider hundred k scoville ingredients ð dietary accomodation food for midwestern white people.

Remember, Ho Chi Minh knew all about America's history of genocide when he helped American soldiers fight the Japanese in WW2.

Sometimes, it's expedient to ally with those who aren't nice,

Here goes:

PSL is running Claudia de la Cruz on a platform of Palestinian statehood and an end to arms shipments to israel.

Here’s your chance to not be like the ops meme.