2mo ago

Fake 'Leftists'

I'm sure this won't end up just like the GOP immigrant caravans of ms-13 and disappear right after the election.

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While I don't disagree that the issue is used hypocritically, Israel's genocide has been going on a long damn time at this point.
- I agree on that.
  I'm not speaking to the underlying principles, but how this is being used as this election's migrant caravan emergency that's the only thing we can think about this close to the election, but will vanish again in mid-november.
  I've had many .mls explain why Gaza is innocent and letting America support genocide is intolerable, but Ukraine should have surrendered to Russia to preserve the peace.
  There's princjple, then there's obvious astroturfing.
- Yeah, it would be much more accurate to flip the two as centrists and right wing people have ignored Israel's countless crimes against humanity for 75 years!
  
  So have many pounding it now. It's not any more genocide than it was for the last 20 to 40 years. It's definitely kicked up a notch. But always been genocide. Seeing so many on the "left" pop up as single issue voters around it in the last year. Is good but specious. Seeing how many of them claim to want to pull Democrats to their side, but not Republicans. Is suspicious. And those aiming to enable the worst actors because Democrats aren't dropping everything to give them everything they desire. Downright sinister. And not to be enabled or normalized.
  I don't disagree that compromising on genocide etc should ever be an acceptable situation. But it is the situation were sadly in. That so many would claim to want to stop the genocide, while glibly hand waving away any improvement to the conditions. That aren't perfect, complete, or pure in their eyes. It's unconscionable. Childishly screeching at any that disagree with or point out flaws in their claims or views. As blue maga or genocide enablers. Make no mistake that they are nearly as much a roadblock to solutions as those actually championing the genocide.
  Lots of people talk big. Claiming that they have the solution. That it's easy. That they only need to do this one trick. That's how you know they're full of shit.

What? Initiated by Israel you mean?
Yeah a lot of people are ignoring Russian war crimes and I agree that’s a problem. But I don’t think you really understand what’s happening in Gaza given the meme you made.

I think the hypocrisy is yours.
Hamas no more "initiated" Israel's genocide than Russia were "provoked" into invading Ukraine.
You don't have to commit genocide to deal with an act of terrorism. You don't have to commit genocide to deal with security concerns in your perceived sphere of influence. Neither act had justification, neither act was "initiated" by anyone but the accused governments.

Well this is an awful take

I agree that both genocides are bad, but I disagree on a few points:
The genocide of Palestinians has been going on since long before October 7. Hamas didn't initiate it, they just performed a relatively minor act of retaliation which Israel used as an excuse to escalate the genocide.
For those of us in the west, our own governments are supporting the latter genocide. So of course we're more outraged about the blood that's on our own hands (in some sense). I think that Russia should be stopped as well, but not sending weapons in support of a genocide seems like a pretty clear first step we should be taking.

Israel has been doing this since 1947 tho...

ooof where to begin? literally NOBODY ignored the war in Ukraine. there are no "leftists" that agree with russias war on ukraine. There's idiots who do.
and "started by hamas"?! really? ignoring the fact that Hamas is literally founded and funded by Israel, they didn't start the genocide. Israels expansion into the west bank has been going on since 1947.
- Half of .ml agree with it, or at least insist surrendering is the logical answer to bring peace.

The levels of willful ignorance

Zionists:
Gaza war, 1 year: 16,456 dead children plus many more buried under the rubble.
I SLEEP
Ukraine war, 3 years: 2,184 dead children
REAL SHIT
- I agree this meme is bullshit but you’re comparing two sources that shouldn’t be compared.
  Your number for Gaza’s children is from the (hamas run) Gaza health ministry. While your number from Ukraine is from the UN has confirmed.
  The Ukrainian government has a much higher estimate for dead children than the UN. And the UN has confirmed far far low children deaths than the gaza health ministry.
  
  The Gaza Heath Ministry has consistently provided accurate death counts in this and previous conflicts, to the point that their estimates are considered reliable by the US State Department. Only recently, since Israel escalated their genocide on Palestinians, have their figures been called into question because they make Israel look bad (as they should).
  
  You can substitute the UN figures and the issue is the same. I can't find anything up to date, but feel free to share and I'll update!

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