Chrome Canary just killed uBlock Origin and other Manifest V2 extensions

shrugs in Firefox
- Careful, there are some edgy people out there who don’t want to use more than one browser because Firefox doesn’t work with their cameras /s
  Meanwhile, I’ll still be using Firefox too
  
  Who needs to give their browser access to their camera?
- Why not LibreWolf? It's Firefox without Mozilla's BS.
  
  Haven't heard of it before now
- You say that like they didn't just remove several other adblock extensions themselves
  
  From what I've heard, they only "removed" uBlock Origin Lite. Normal uBO is still up.
  
  No they didn't.
  They're still there. Ublock origin is the god-tier adblock, and it's still there. It's even a Recommended by Mozilla extension.
  I know people on Lemmy often, for some reason, hate Mozilla more than Google or Microsoft, but Mozilla very much still caters to people who want to block ads, despite the disinformation on Lemmy.
  
  The one they removed isn't relevant until Firefox also removes manifest V2 which they have no plans for.
  
  Except they didn't... If you read more than headlines
  
  shrugs in books
  They have no idea how stubborn I am.

What could go wrong when you let an ad company dictate the browser standards/rules.
I know we have Firefox and some forks like librewolf, but percentage wise it feels like a lost battle ( even if I am on Firefox ).
If only people switched en masse to Firefox for the ad blocker. Wouldn't that be something... One big collective FU to Google.
Oh well. One can dream I guess.
- The average Joe or Jane have no idea about ad blocking possibilities. They think ads are just the normal price you pay for surfing the web.
  I have even shown people the difference between their browsing experience and mine, and still they can't be arsed to install an ad-blocker.
  But then again, they use tiktok and Instagram and all the other brain-numbing shit out there.
  
  They think ads are just ~~the normal price you pay for surfing~~ part of the web
  
  The average Joe or Jane have no idea about ad blocking possibilities. They think ads are just the normal price you pay for surfing the web.
  Actually about a third of all users have an adblocker installed. Adblocking has been mainstream for a while, no doubt why Google finally stopped pretending they were OK with it.
  
  I personally wouldn't mind ads, if they weren't too obtuse and/or malware ridden.
  I often turn off the adblocker for independent news sites, as theirs are less obtuse and are vetted better than just running an AI to detect nudity and/or slurs.
  
  Normal price is usually offered before charging it.
  
  They think ads are just the normal price you pay for surfing the web.
  Which is great, offsets us who do use adblocks. It would be awful if majority of users would use adblocks.
- There comes a point where one realizes that those around you cannot be relied upon to leverage solutions. Psychopaths get ahead because they're willing to play dirty. So much of the world can be summed up as large swaths of population being induced to behave or think certain ways by psychopathic manipulators.
  
  Data serves a great role in this. It's a currency of control.
  Political, social, etc.
  Which is why privacy is so goddamn important.

We've known this was coming for a while now . . . but I suppose not everyone reads tech news.
- one might say that this piece of news is the... canary... in the coal mine?
- I mean... Even if everyone knows it's coming, you still need to have notice when it actually happens right?

I used to recommend uBlock as a no-brainer, now folks really need to change towards a better browser.
- Or get network wide blocking. Doesn’t prevent everything but it does prevent most ads. Makes the internet tolerable at least.
  
  nah, lets get them switched away from chromium based spy machines.
  
  Something like NextDNS as a no-brainer? It works but hits the limit of the free tier if people use it beyond their phone.
  
  Pihole is good for a private network, but you can forget it in a work setting, especially corporate networks.
  
  I recommended pihole to my senior webdeveloper. She didn't know about it and was blown away by the concept. She installed it immediately and is now living happily ad free.

And what? If someone can live with ads, they can stay. Otherwise anyone can install Firefox. I was all-in Google since the beginning of Gmail. And switching to Firefox was completely painless. Everything works the same, times of website incompatibility are long gone.
- Because Google is trying to turn the internet into a walled garden where only people with Chrome can visit the majority of websites.
  
  I've been been a full time Firefox user for three years now. Haven't experience a single problem like that. Haven't really experienced any problem at all to be honest
  
  Maybe part of the monopoly ruling will have chrome taken away from them.
- What if websites decide that chrome users earn much more ad revenue and start forcing users to switch with those "This website only supports Chrome" error messages? What if this practice gets popular? I'm sure there are ways to get around it, but the average users who bothered switching to Firefox at all, will just conclude that anything except chrome has a bad browsing experience.
  
  Can't you have your Firefox browser just report itself as chrome?
  
  i never understood how those messages work? like how would using firefox ruin your website? or how they even detect firefox in the first place lmfao
  
  Then apple would whip out their giant throbbing cock and smack them with it because they want people using safari.
  
  Visit about:compat. Sites already do that. Firefox can deal.
- times of website incompatibility are long gone
  I wish I could agree with that. Hell, I have to use Chrome to download my phone bill from Virgin, and a couple of others don't work.
  And don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming FF. It's these lazy web developers that only target Chrome. I'm sure Safari users get the same shit experience.
- I've cried also in dev a lot in the past, but mostly don't cry so much anymore
- Issue is, a lot of people think the only browser in existence is "google". I even had people looking me at funny for having an e-mail address ending in outlookcom rather than the usual gmailcom, and not because of some anti-MS sentiment, but because they thought e-mail was invented by Google, hance the name "gmail".
  
  but because they thought e-mail was invented by Google, hance the name “gmail”.
  Life is scary.
- I really wish Firefox implemented easily switchable browser profiles. I am use Firefox mainly but for work I'll still use edge so I can use this feature.
  
  I don't know exactly what part of a separate profile you are after, so this may not be a 100% substitute, but I found container tabs in Firefox to work quite well (with some extensions to improve UX). It's still the same profile though, so passwords and history are shared.
  
  firefox.exe -P -no-remote
- Yep so happy with Firefox having switched back a couple years ago.
- Everything works the same, times of website incompatibility are long gone.
  Not completely true. It's mostly true. I've daily driven Firefox for years, and the number of websites I've crossed that wouldn't function in it correctly but would work just fine in Chrome was very slim... but not zero. Definitely not comparable to the complete shitshow of the 90's and 00's. That's true. But it's not a completely solved problem.
  And with Mozilla's leadership practically looking for footguns to play with combined with the threat of Google's sugar daddy checks drying up soon due to the antitrust suit (how utterly ironic that busting up the monopoly would actually harm the only competition...), that gap can get much worse in very little time if resources to keep full time devs paid disappear.
- some people dont want firefox bcs its kinda slower then chromium based tbh but it aint bad am not saying firefox is bad
  
  They're not that different any longer: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36770883

Maybe we're thinking about this wrong. Maybe we should all start running plugins that just load whatever ads that show up in the background hundreds of times without showing them to us. Every viewer is thousands upon thousands of impressions and click through rates become absolutely miserable. We can make the ads worthless or maybe even make them cost a significant amount of money to host.
- AdNauseam does this to a lesser degree. I'm not sure how effective it is.
  https://github.com/dhowe/AdNauseam
  
  It's mildly effective in the sense that it will decimate click-through rates, but if enough people did it, they would start filtering by IP, and you'd need to change how many ads it clicks on so it looks more human.
  It also still gives advertisers your data, since it still has to load the ads on your system to click them, so it's not as privacy-preserving as a full-on adblocker that outright blocks every advertisement and tracker related network request in the first place.
- I had an add blocker on phone thats worked that way (AdAway). It would just redirect adds into some folder and apps would be satisfied.

I suspect this will soon be followed by a renewed effort by google to kill firefox compatability.
- Have you looked at the market share of Firefox lately? Why even waste time on that?
  
  Because this is likely to drive a lot of people to try switching. And they're the type of people who try to convince other people to switch, too. Techies, etc.
  When forced with trying to keep family safe from abusive and/or manipulative ads, this is a pretty hot topic. Plenty of people tell their family what browser to use and even set it up for them with ad blockers, etc.
  I've recently had some experiences that tell me my parents are at a vulnerable age and can't fully protect themselves, so it's pretty important to have control of this.
- So you will need to have a backup browser to use only Google services and everything but Google search blocked in ff
  
  Its not google services i worry about ive pretty much degoogled everything i can. Its the google bits so deeply embedded into almost every website across the internet. If they implemented some tpm bs into chrome that somehow Verity's itself with tpm and google servers before it loads anything then that instantly makes a majority of websites juat not work on ff with no fixes backdoors or bypasses. They will try, we have little hope in stopping it, and most people wont even notice let alone give a fuck.

Didn't see this coming. Thanks for reporting it 😁
- It did its job then. Gave warning.
  🐥⛏️
  
  "I've got the black lung papa." cough
  -Chrome Canary

Looks like time to find a new browser!
- May I interest you in browsers based on FireFox?
  
  why not Firefox itself?

Hopefully wikipedia recognizes this as the official Canary in the Chrome mine. I was first impressed with chrome book because of seeing them used for education, getting my own laptop during school would've been mindblowing to kid me. I was unimpressed with the strangulation process of the OS but again shocked when they added a linux boot mode. There needs to be better alternatives by now, I would be ok with an OS developed by the department of education in conjunction with higher educational institutions. Could have a decent non-profit approach to a browser and ad blockers could legitimately be built in as a "protect the children" aim of approach.
- I take it you've never been involved in such an endeavor? What you propose would take a decade a minimum due to the sheer number of nested advisory committees that would be required for those groups to interface. Better a non-profit group begins the work and then solicits these group's input at the design stage.
  
  I think super-apps are the way to go, only way to prevent one company from monopolizing click-stream data for advertising.
  some apps already do this and their users don't suffer from the same issue (granted, they have different issues)

Been using Firefox for quite a time now! What are the other alternatives?
- Ladybird is working really hard to become good enough for daily drive. Will they succeed? Idk. How long will it take? Idk.
  
  Is that Firefox alternative?
- Brave, Librewolf (didn't test yet)

How many times has this been announced already?
- Yes
- Think of it as an iceberg & Chrome users as a boat.
  Assuming no changes, this is landing in Chrome Canary now, so we're watching the Chrome Canary boat hit the iceberg. The Chrome Beta boat is going to hit in a few weeks. Finally the Chrome Stable boat is scheduled to hit in mid November.
  Now Google may choose to hold back actually enabling this flag immediately. It wouldn't be the first delay. But likely in mid November is when all the posts will start to appear of people asking where their ad blocker went.
  (Although I'm guessing it actually is delayed until after the holidays and in the new year, but that's just wild speculation.)

I thought they already killed it? They keep killing it multiple times.
- Yeah I heard it was permanently removed like a month ago. Still working for me.

Are Opera and it's derivatives affected by this?
- Yes. There's only 3 major browsers. Chromium (Chrome), Firefox, WebKit (Safari). Nearly every other webbrowser is a fork of one of these, most are forks of Chromium, including Opera. As such, most webbrowsers will be affected by the change.
  
  Good, hopefully I can convince my friends to switch over
  
  What's duck duck go's browser?
- Why would you use a Chinese browser?
  
  what does the browser being Chinese have to do with anything?
  
  I don't?
  My friends do though sadly
- imagine opera and opera gx 💀
- Not this with built-in adblockers, despite someone's wishes.
  
  Their adblockers suck though, especially on youtube

Can we get a fork orba dedicated browser that stays on manifest v2? Even Firefoxs lack of plans is disconcerting. I want expmicit plans to not play along

Great day to be a firefox user!

Wtf is Chrome Canary?
- Chrome Canary, the pre-beta release version with the most far-out feature set
  
  I see. So the beta version got the the “feature” later than the production version? Google really is in great hands.
  Thanks!

Lmao get rekt, I'm on a gecko based browser.

I'm currently using safari on a MacBook. Way more power efficient than chrome.

I'm being downvoted heavily on Reddit for suggesting thorium instead of Chrome.
My guess is bots as thorium is way faster and the dev hates the thought of a chromium browser without Adblock.
Moronically I think the Reddit hive mind is following that opinion and I may have to delete the comment or face site wide blacklisting which is what usually happens.
- tbh i dont like thoriums update cycle you stay on 1 version for 4 months the firefox fork is even worse thats why i use ungoogled chromium instead
  
  Kinda agree it should have an update built in, I'm using Chris Titas/Titus update script to update it.
  Which to be honest doesn't seem to update it much.
  I'm mostly basing my use on it being quite fast and the dev cursing out Google and swearing to keep Ublock.
- Didn't thorium had some drama the other day though?
  
  i am pretty sure it was resolved and explained , crisis Titus also had a video but ever since its members only and i cannot find a reupload.
  
  First I've heard of it honestly, I'm in the weird position I don't really trust Google or Mozilla so all I'm using is forks.
  If those go ad crazy I'm kinda screwed.
- Thorium doesn't support secure streaming, so while it was amazeballs fast, it wasn't useful. Ended up picking Vivaldi for watching streaming.

Hoping that Vivaldi is going to hold off somehow - perhaps with their built-in ad blocker. And before you say "switch to Firefox", I'll say I'm not gonna, at least not until I see native mouse gestures implemented and working everywhere.
- I made the switch from Vivaldi back to Firefox recently. I loved Vivaldi, but I'm happy with Firefox too.
  
  Fair enough. All I'm saying is that mouse gestures are so much ingrained in my muscle memory that their absence in native capacity (and reliance on extensions for that) is a show-stopper for me.