Godot staff are facing a huge reactionary backlash on Xitter for being "woke"
Godot staff are facing a huge reactionary backlash on Xitter for being "woke"
It all started with the unofficial godot discord admin dealing with some chuds and people turning their ire towards the Godot Foundation staff instead.
Since Godot has stubbornly remained on the Xitter nazi bar as a valid space for PR and social media interaction and dared to promote the Wokot hashtag and reiterate their progessiveness, the reactionaries infesting that space are now piling on their socials and harassing everyone they can get their eyes on.
Examples
- https://x.com/LifeArtStudios/status/1840230152254509067
- https://x.com/Grummz/status/1840162056928145740
- https://x.com/madewithgodot/status/1841118786964840618
Anyway, solidarity with the targets of harassment. I hope they finally realize that Xitter is a lost cause.
Update: Godot is being review-bombed
Fortunately the reactionary backlash seems to be having the opposite effect
Open source software is the wokest shit possible… It’s pretty much digital communism run by the gayest furries you’ll ever meet.
I can't tell if you intent this as a positive or a negative, but it very much an accurate assessment.
I bookmarked this comment. It's beautiful
It kinda depends on the license. Copyleft licenses are definitely digital communism--but licenses like CC or other extremely permissive licenses are digital libertarianism. I'm good with it in any case.
cc-by-sa is copyleft
With programming socks 🧦
Anyway love OSS ❤️
But there comes Brian Lundurke with his "um ackchually, if it were digital communism the state would be forcing you to make it open source, capitalism is when small state".
Nice to see some figures on the change in support levels. I was donating €5 a month and I've bumped it up to €50 for the next few months.
I get the impression that a lot of the people complaining on twitter are not even gamedevs and don't know what Godot is, it's just the reactionary pile-on du jour.
The flagbearer is ofc grummz, the terminally online ex-gamedev chud who turned to shit every game he touched and has had his right-wing grifting platform on Xitter massively boosted in recent years.
I don't know shit about the situation (I don't use twitter), but not being on the same side as Mark "Physiognomy" Kern seems like the right call.
Unsurprisingly most gamedevs, at least the ones that make good games, are either minorities themselves, or positive to their/our plight
After all, the best art isn't made by the people who enshrine conservative ideals
This is thoroughly untrue. Joshua and the Promised Land is the greatest piece of media of our generation.
It's actually really funny to see review bomb attempts on a non-profit FOSS project. No shareholders to appease, no profits to they need to protect, just a community of people contributing to the tool they use.
I'd say, it's a bit concerning since review bombing can turn away people who are uncertain about using Godot, or donating to it.
As a dev, seeing a bunch of reactionary fuck heads criticising Godot would make it more appealing. I like working with good people
I long for the days when people didn't call any concept they disagreed with "political."
Oh so you’re a conservative!
/s
It was just a tweet... And then they say that the "wokes" are the hypersensitive snowflakes?
It's always projection.
Finally a place I can share my cold takes. (I'm not on Twitter, I won't discuss this on Reddit either.)
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The community manager had a meltdown and blocking everyone was a power trip and was wrong.
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Godot's tweet was wrong, because it used the word "woke" which immediately drives any conversation into the gutter. Doesn't matter if you're on the right or left, as soon as you say the word "woke" you have ruined the conversation.
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It is good that Godot explicitly supports LGBT+ people. They should be welcome. The community CoC should make this explicit, and it does. A tweet to reaffirm this is fine, a cringe joke born from the dredges of Twitter is less fine.
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Godot's "revenge forks" are amusing and will not go anywhere. Someone might collect some donations before grifting into the night though.
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None of this has any effect on Godot's technical suitability for creating a game.
I’ll share mine too.
The community manager had a meltdown and blocking everyone was a power trip and was wrong.
Apparently they did receive a large number of tweets that genuinely warranted a ban, but some innocent people got caught in the crossfire. If this is true then Godot did the right thing by responding as neutrally as they can and giving people a way to get unbanned. If it’s not, then yeah very wrong.
Additionally, the Twitter manager apparently said some unprofessional stuff on her personal. I think there was something about her requesting a shower pic from a very large controversial streamer. I feel like that sort of action would bring attention from trolls.
Also I think there was something about a discord mod saying some dehumanising things about the “anti woke” people. Even if these people were causing trouble and deserved a ban, you shouldn’t dehumanise them. That will just make them more aggressive and convince them that “woke” people are indeed some kind of adversary.
Godot’s tweet was wrong, because it used the word “woke” which immediately drives any conversation into the gutter. Doesn’t matter if you’re on the right or left, as soon as you say the word “woke” you have ruined the conversation.
I think that word is loosely defined. To the drama people “woke/wokism” seems to relate to the idea of people aggressively wanting all media to contain pro lgbt messaging. I think the official meaning relates to awareness of modern issues. “Woke” seems to be a political term, but I suppose some people feel like calling “woke” political is harmful to lgbt rights?
I think inviting people to present their “wokot” is fine, but it probably shouldn’t be done from an official account.
It is good that Godot explicitly supports LGBT+ people. They should be welcome. The community CoC should make this explicit, and it does. A tweet to reaffirm this is fine, a cringe joke born from the dredges of Twitter is less fine.
Hard agree! Strongly agree!
Godot’s “revenge forks” are amusing and will not go anywhere. Someone might collect some donations before grifting into the night though. None of this has any effect on Godot’s technical suitability for creating a game.
Agreed. Give it a year or two. Possibly sooner. It’ll be somewhat interesting if they do go somewhere and contribute something, although I doubt that will happen.
Regardless of what happened and how it will turn out. If Godot increased their budget, even if it was in an unprofessional way, I guess this is an entirely positive thing for people who aren’t on those proprietary social platforms.
Revenge fork is a weird name for these forks. A fork is a fork, even a tiny change like changing the logo is a legitimate fork.
If anything if the Godot community could stop harassing the fork owners, that would be great. Them receiving harassment is the most ironic part about this, because there is more proof of that than the harassment the Godot community manager claims they faced.
20% by 20%, the progress bar of me agreeing with this assessment went to a 100% as I was reading it.
Yup. I dont give a fuck about politics or the goobers fanning this drama. Im just here to learn game dev
as soon as you say the word "woke" you have ruined the conversation.
And as soon as you have “banned” a word from conversation regardless of context, you have ruined your credibility (in my eyes, obviously).
I did not suggest banning any words.
To understand why I'm opposed to the word "woke", you must first acknowledge this fact:
Sometimes people have different definitions of the same word.
If you're willing to accept that, then it logically follows that using a word that people have different definitions of will cause more confusion than understanding. If our goal in speaking is to convey understanding, then that is best accomplished by avoiding words where people have conflicting definitions.
We've all learned that there are facts and opinions, but there is a third category: definitions.
If you watch for it, you will see that many disagreements boil down to nothing more than disagreeing about the definition of a single word. If we temporarily avoid using that word, suddenly we find ourselves in agreement, or at least having a better understanding of each other.
I mean, there are plenty of words that are used almost exclusively to cause offensive. Swears and slurs. Often it can be debatable whether or not a word counts as a swear or slur, but it’s usually pretty clear. I prefer to avoid using words that are intended to cause offence.
The word “woke” doesn’t seem to fall into these categories, but it’s still a term that seems to have been polarised by both groups. I don’t think that word would ruin a discussion that was already political, but it would definitely cause a discussion to become political.
As far as one group is concerned, being “woke” is inherently good and means being aware of modern issues and accepting of marginalised groups.
As far as the other is concerned, being “woke” is requiring all media to have this representation and lashing out when it isn’t inserted in a certain way; thus, you can be supportive of lgbt+ rights and the rights of marginalised groups while still being vehemently “anti woke”.Because of this conflict in definitions it’s understandable that the Twitter manager might want to use this term, and it’s understandable that people would be against it.
I feel the polarisation of this term may be being done for the drama people on both sides to farm engagement.
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Twitter blows ass and if they hate you you're probably right.
Not guaranteed. But a solid bet.
That’s a great way to look at it. You’re probably spot on.
I feel like it's important to note that eating, breathing, and having a fun time with friends are all very LGBTQ+ activities! #woke
Let the fascist idiots stay with predatory tech like Unity. Fuck 'em all. Conservatives make shit games; they can stick with shit middleware.
Fascist usually can't make games. Best they can do is either some mod, or a kusoge that only has some recognition thanks to it was in a country where English education wasn't very good thus it was among the few easily accessible game for some.
Off the top of my head, unambiguously neofascist video games include KZ Manager, Ethnic Cleansing, ZOG’s Nightmare (which the author made with an ‘FPS creator’), and the Angry Goy series. The market for explicitly neofascist video games is pretty small (at least for now), so, as you implied, it is rare for anybody to publish one.
Woke is interestingly becoming a word that can easily trigger and be used to troll conservatives.
My favourite thing is asking them to define woke.
I woke up this morning.
Angry fascist noises
Bobby Fingers has the best definition of "woke," one that I feel all can agree with, even if they are dismayed by the quality of his dashboards.
My favourite thing is asking them to define woke.
IMHO, you are woke if you exclude/damage who does not think exactly like you, and later also who thinks like you but he/she is not excluding/damaging the people you put in the black-list.
So it is a rather toxic and dangerous movement, resembling a little the Reign of Terror in France.
We already have a word for that, it’s called tribalism.
So... You have no clue what the word means
@mzan @Grandwolf319 So...The KKK is woke by your definition?
Woke is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English originally meaning alertness to racial prejudice and discrimination. Beginning in the 2010s, it came to be used as slang for a broader awareness of social inequalities such as racial injustice, sexism, and denial of LGBT rights
What are you on about?
Comparing woke to the reign of terror is a fucking mood buddy
I stand in solidarity with Godot.
Time for Godot to get off Twitter.
I mean, it seems Godot did make money from this, so I guess the Twitter helped.
this would actually be quite a losss because it would let the fascist trolls win :(
They won the day Musky bought the site. At this point Twitter needs a mercy killing.
Grrrr!! I hate WOKE! 😡😡 /s
Fortunately the reactionary backlash seems to be having the opposite effect
That’s good I suppose.
I don’t care what happens on Twitter. Just so long as the codebase isn’t negatively affected.
I have been seeing some drama YouTubers, who are clearly blowing this out of proportion, talk a lot about this. One thing they’ve been saying that concerns me however, is that apparently there have been people getting banned from help forums and even the GitHub for criticism.
My understanding is that “woke” is a loosely defined political term, so I think requesting Godot be kept free from politics in response to this stuff isn’t something that should require a ban.
Perhaps there were people going too far and getting rightfully banned and some innocent people got caught in the crossfire?
There shouldn’t be any way the MIT license can discriminate between “woke” and “anti-woke”. Godot can be used by everyone. This is just making the drama people lose their credibility. Regardless of what the devs views on this situation are, I could never expect them to come to a decision on this issue so quickly. Let alone act on it. Their main priority should be the code, not the community. Unofficial communities can pop up on their own and self govern.
My understanding is that “woke” is a loosely defined political term, so I think requesting Godot be kept free from politics in response to this stuff isn’t something that should require a ban.
I'm a bit 50/50 on that. If they got kinda harassed to the point where they take a simple stance as they did, then saying "please stop being political" is often used as a thin veiled attempt to say "I don't like your politics" by the people who get so hard triggered by that term, and women, and LGBT stuff, and people of color, etc.
We can see this all the time in other areas too, especially gaming. As soon as a game has a female main character, or even a female main character that isn't white, or even one that is lesbian or bi, then uppercase Gamers collectively lose their shit. Say something about Nazis? Or Russia? "HoW DaRe YoU BrInG PoLiTiCs InTo MY GaMes!" ...
Not saying that was the guy's intend when he replied that to Godot, but I can see how it could be interpreted as such when they get brigaded by a bunch of toxic replies.
I am begging you to stop giving credit to drama youtubers, they do not care about the facts and are only in it to farm views.
Oh. Ok. Thank you.
One thing they’ve been saying that concerns me however, is that apparently there have been people getting banned from help forums and even the GitHub for criticism.
Perhaps there were people going too far and getting rightfully banned and some innocent people got caught in the crossfire?
They've addressed that:
We unequivocally condemn this abuse. The volume of negative engagement overwhelmed our moderation efforts. While attempting to protect the Godot community we mistakenly blocked individuals who were not participating in the harassment. The Godot Foundation Board takes full responsibility for these moderation actions. If you believe you were blocked in error and have not violated our Code of Conduct, please contact us with the form linked below. We are committed to swiftly rectifying any mistakes. We firmly stand by our mission to keep our community spaces free from hate, discrimination, and other toxic behaviors. - The Godot Foundation Board
And there have been 5 people banned from GitHub due to racist and homophobic slurs, which violates Godot CoC and GH ToS.
I don't think these users were providing valid criticism. Never mind the fact that GH issues are not really the place to complain about some twitter drama.Thanks.
You're fully entitled to use Godot if you're an asshole.
You're not inherently entitled to interact with their development process or get their help, etc. They aren't obligated to deal with bullshit to run an open source project.
I didn't know it was because of them supporting LGBTQ+, mostly because they've been doing that for a very long time now and very publicly. I thought most of the backlash stemmed from this;
From what I've read, that person is not officially affiliated with the Godot project. They just moderate an unofficial Discord server that is Godot-related.
Wow, now that I have some context, I'm an even bigger fan of Godot than before. Supporting LGBTQ+ rights isn't political. If you're offended because people exist that don't think like you, then yeah, you can fuck right off somewhere else.
I think it’s the term “woke” that people considered political.
seems to be having the opposite effect
unfortunately not for the Steam Reviews overall
Conveniently Godot is not a game and general consumer reviews have no real relevance
I always love watching the g*mers embarrass themselves though.
One day they'll figure who's behind all those pesky micro transactions... One day.
Considering game devs are intimately aware of review bombing, I really doubt that it will have much negative effect on their userbase. I guess the next Alex Jones game wont use godot.
You'd think so, but fascists are generally cheap and will happily use whatever they can that's made by liberals and leftists. See mastodon being created because of a rumor of Peter Theil buying it and then it's code was used to run Truth social.
To be fair I do the same shit. Cock.li is useful for burner emails. They can eat shit if they think they're getting my money for hosting though.
Same with DWM, good window manager, asshole devs.
Just don't give them money or code.
more attention for a cool floss game engine, I don't see this as too bad
Why do we need a game engine just for one dance or dental hygiene activity. Seems oddly specific to two very different tasks.
feature creep
And it's also making the horrible people move away, making it more difficult for them to make their shitty ideas into games? It's a win win!!
Someone should make a game that ticks all the"woke" boxes just to piss these guys off. Make pronouns one of the most important part of the game, and force people to be gay, or Bi. Then make it so men have to wear womens clothes and women have to wear mens clothes. Then you can sit back and watch them lose their shit while eating popcorn. 😏
That's good and all...
But how do you pronounce Wokot?
Is it wuh-ko?
Maybe Woke-o?I MUST KNOW
@yetAnotherUser @db0 I have to assume, despite the spelling, that it is pronounced Whacko...Not even as a diss, just would find it incredibly amusing. "And dot" is right there too! idk.
wokeaux.
@db0 hahahaha the fascists are getting the opposite desired effect!
If you get political, people will react 🤷♂️
Treating everyone like human beings is not political. It's common decency.
Homobia, transphobia and racism are not political ideas.
As you can see by the abuse they are now getting this is just shit people being shit.
And even if this was political abusing workers for a company's political stance is also not a sane way to react.
Tbh I'm not sure what your examples are supposed to demonstrate. Blocking someone for saying they should focus on the engine and not politics is astonishingly thin skinned
Kind of hard to follow the thread of most of this but they sure aren't disproving how woke they are by blocking people who even slightly disagree with them.
Also it's just "X" not "Xitter".
they sure aren’t disproving how woke they are
Why do you think that they need to be doing this?
Xitter is simply short for "Elon Musk's X, formerly known as Twitter, currently known as dumpster fire"
astonishingly thin skin
Could be that, but remember that all skin can be damaged. If you've been badly burned then maybe it's best to keep the environment sterile. "Focus on the engine and not politics" can be the conclusion of people with merely a simple goal of a good game engine but suppose that it can also be argued for with a goal of harming minorities by silencing them.
@tabular @FizzyOrange would hardly even call blocking people for saying, mind you in a thread literally only asking people to post their inclusive games, that they are going to post the most offensive, racist things they can find (their words, not mine)..."thin skinned"
the nazi bar sure can twist a narrative though :/
I really like this extension of the "thin-skinned" idiom/metaphor
Also it’s just “X” not “Xitter”.
Same energy
This has nothing to do with Musk. Honestly these kinds of dismissive comments just make everyone else seem more reasonable.
It’s “Xitter”. “X” is nonsense.
You can’t just start calling yourself “X” and decide the word cisgender is a slur now and not expect people to laugh in your face.
It's not Xitter. I don't understand why you think it is. I don't know what your cisgender comment is talking about.
