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Putin orders conscription of 133,000 new soldiers to fight on the front line

metro.co.uk Putin orders conscription of 133,000 new soldiers to fight on the front line

The figure is higher than the same draft last year when Putin recruited 130,000, and in spring when he drafted another 150,000.

Vladimir Putin has ordered the conscription of another 133,000 soldiers to aid his war in Ukraine.

The 18-to-30 year olds will be called up between tomorrow and December 31, but parents have raised fear that the untrained conscripts will be thrust straight into ‘hot’ border regions close to the war zone.

The figure is higher than the same draft last year when Putin recruited 130,000, and in spring when he drafted another 150,000.

The Russian regime is facing an increasing backlash over use of conscripts close to the war zone in defiance of an earlier Putin promise to parents that he would not put recruits in harm’s way.

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You really have to wonder where the breaking point is at this point.
- It just shows how effective top down propaganda is.
  
  Propaganda? It's called oppression. It's literally illegal for people to complain about this.
- I can't remember what podcast I was listening to, maybe a Dan Carlin series, but it was talking about how in this post industrialization + propaganda era the breaking point for nations is far FAR more extreme than it was in the before times.
- The British gave time, the Americans gave money, the Soviets gave blood.
  The Russian capacity to throw seemly endless bodies toward a goal is virtually part of their mythos. The above quote is from Stalin in regards to defeating the Nazis. The situation couldn't be more different, other than in the propaganda coming from Putin.
  
  That's when people bred like rabbits, Russian fertitility has been dropping for decades and their 21-30 cohort is one of the smallest anongst the population.
- I find myself wondering if this is even perceived as a negative at all by the public. Certain people no doubt look at service as a job opportunity and some actually support the goals of the war and believe Putin’s hype about fighting Nazis.
  Has the war effort even gotten through those types yet? Is it really taking fathers away from their families? Are those fathers not bought in on the war?
  This is what I worry about. That Russia is not even straining yet, let alone close to breaking.

It's insane how many Russians have volunteered to die for a few thousand dollars, for the past year. But allegedly it's getting way harder to get volunteers for the Russian military.
Ukraine entering Kursk was a wake up call, that showed Russians the propaganda was false.
Normally such an invasion would energize a population against the enemy, to protect their own country, but it has had the opposite effect in Russia, probably because the population is realising aspects of the propaganda more.
- It's insane how many Russians have volunteered to die for a few thousand dollars, for the past year. But allegedly it's getting way harder to get volunteers for the Russian military.
  This is mainly a byproduct of transitioning to a war time economy. Before the mobilization they had a fairly large labour glut, now that they've geared to war time production they're having labor shortages.
  The detrimental aspect to this transition is that they're going to have to rely on conscripts for their soldiers as they were already experiencing a really harsh population decline.
  The most dangerous part of this whole war won't come for Russia until the war ends, regardless of victory or defeat. Their population decline coupled with the retooling of their domestic economy isn't something that can be undone without major consequences. So they're either going to have to continue the war footing to maintain their economy, or face an economic collapse similar in scope to the USSR.
  
  Their economy is collapsing already, it's just not a quick collapse, but it's definitely already happening. National bank increased interest rate from 16 to 19% in a month, and the Ruble is still declining.
  The economy is also declining, while at the same time overheating. (for instance worker shortage as you mention) The Russian economy cannot handle the strain of the war, and they can't keep the economy up by being at war.
- It’s insane how many Russians have volunteered to die for a few thousand dollars, for the past year.
  The driver is information asymmetry on the part of the volunteers. Yes, people are volunteering and dying for a few thousand dollars, but they don't know that.
  They know they are volunteering for a few thousand. They don't know that it is certain death.
  
  They're also being lied to. They're being told "oh, nothing to worry about, you'll be doing logistics support in the rear" and then when they get off the bus they get handed a rifle and sent to the front.
  
  Yes that's most likely true, and I think they are beginning to suspect something is off, in part because Ukraine invaded.
- Which propaganda did it show as false? The only one I know about is the lie that Ukraine is full of nazis
  
  Not OP, but I guess that the one about Russian superiority and untouchability. Not only Russia is not achieving the objectives in Ukraine, it got counterattacked on their own soil.
  
  The propaganda about Russian military might, and that they had already won the war.
  Yes if you weren't aware, Putin is claiming that Russia already won the war. That's how insane the propaganda is!
  Also propaganda that no country would ever dare invade Russia because Russia has the strongest military in the world, and they have nukes.
  But there are also many Russian civilians that stayed in the region now occupied by Ukraine, and they are in contact with friends and families in Russia, and is now telling how Ukraine is treating them well, and is now supplying food and medicine, and are not at all the Nazis they've been told.
  So it's a pretty big collapse of several aspects of the Russian propaganda.

This whole war was illegal , time for Russian to rise up against Putin.
- Honestly, that window of opportunity for Russians has closed, possibly for a very long time. By now, much of the gov is designed to quickly and brutally control opposition and protests.
  For contrast: Just on the other side of the border a decade ago, tens of thousands of courageous Ukrainians seized a very similar opportunity. They fought and died for it, did not give up, and won the battle. Fuck Putin and his Yanukovych puppets, hello Zelenskyy and EU. But Ukrainians are still fighting to finish the war. They should be incredibly proud of their achievements so far.
  
  Unfortunately a large portion of the population supports the war and putin. Just look at the level of support just from russians living abroad. It's most of their population that is all on board.
- Not likely. Far too few there have the mindset to think that it could work. Putin is just one small leap in the collective imagination away from destruction but it doesn't look like the populace will ever cross that gap.

I’m sure they’re not coming from Moscow. I wish they weren’t forced to be evil, to commit atrocities, to be maimed, emotionally scarred, to be lost to their parents. They haven’t even lived yet.
Goddamn this corrupt mob in russia.

You spelled slaves wrong

That's barely enough to cover three months of losses. Insane.

It's just sad to see those young men going into a completely useless ~~war~~ special military operation. A lot of them won't come home, a lot will return mutilated. Putin is a sick piece of shit.

This is also why he's trying to force his population to fuck and make babies at all costs

That's about the population of able-bodied active duty us marines. Unfathomable.

- The Butcher is a sadistic creature who delights in the torment and pain of others!

News about how soldiers are called up for military service every year. I remind you that in the Russian Federation, every man, unless he is disabled, is obliged to undergo military training. literally every man has a military ID and a postscript to the military enlistment office. Well, like all 30 years before, people were called up at the autumn draft this year...

How soon until we see something like the end of the movie Starship Troopers, where the latest batch of recruits appears to be about 13 years old?
- Probably never. They're trying to avoid conscripting the Russian population of any age, so they're a long way from taking very young or very old people at large.
  
  They have been trying to avoid conscripting from Moscow and Saint Petersburg. But they are running out of able bodied men outside those regions. There have been videos of men over 60 and men with health conditions that would preclude them from serving in a sane country. So I don't think they are that far off. Because when they start conscripting from M and SP they are seriously hurting their economy.
- Never? Well, or in 10 years. Military conscription has been held in Russia annually for 30 years. And every year there are not much fewer people.

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