Utterly fucking bizarre
Utterly fucking bizarre
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I know the comments are immediately filled by these assholes but I'm glad they are being down voted and OP is being up voted.
Its so akward to engage with people like that... it's like people supporting russia because ukraine is supported by america. 2 can be shit at once. Its not that hard.
If isis starts attacking israel, that does not mean you need to support isis...
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if in some bizzare, hypothetical fantasy world, isis somehow invaded israel and stopped the ongoing genocide there and delivered a perfect two state solution overnight, would you be morally against specifically that action because it was isis who did it?
to be clear, i'm not asking whether you'd be against isis as a whole: just whether you'd be against isis ending the current israel-palestine situation peacefully
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This is you “so what if hypothetically Putin solves world hunger, homelessness, and redistributed all wealth so everyone was on equal playing field. Oh, oh. And he disarmed all their nukes and led the disarmament of all nuclear armed nations? Oh AND He helped solved climate change? Then would think he’s a good guy?” Like those hypotheticals are bonkers and useless.
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I remember when Al-Qaeda was condemning ISIS and the entire world was like confused agreement
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I just want to oppose Israeli genocide without saying that the "A Curse Upon The Jews" folks targeting random countries' civilian shipping are kosher (ha) because they said they're doing it for A Really Good Cause, Promise(tm), despite the utter lack of apparent effect on that cause, and dubious mechanisms for even its theoretical effect on that cause.
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It's bad when Russia does it and it's bad Isreal does it
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That's how I got banned from 196 calling out bs like that. Pretty sure /u/Moss is a full blown tankie
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196? Where the banner reads "Fuck tankies"?
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Go have a conversation with Moss about Hamas. I'm paraphrasing here because it's been half a year, but what I said that got me banned was that the Hamas leadership and the Israeli leadership both spend the lives of Palestinians like Monopoly money. It's in the best interest of the leadership of both parties for the conflict to continue. Neither side wants peace and the civilians are fucked because of it.
I was banned for being a genocide Apologist. While also condemning the genocide...
Fundies and tankies there never was a better match made.
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Well it seems most self-proclained "lefties" here have an appalling understanding of what that is and below the shallows they are quite misaligned with that side of the spectrum. Their words they one thing, their behaviour and outbursts a much more truthful thing. The term is nothing more than a Get Out of Jail FREE card for them.
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Campism is a hell of a drug
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Comments removed for trolling…… on a meme sub.
That’s novel.
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I was on the side of Houthis after being oppressed by American-backed, Saudi-led military forces. But now it became clear they are lackeys of Iran who attack innocent sailors, who have no dog in the geopolitical dick measuring contest.
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Yeah. I was never on the side of the Houthis, but I considered our support for Saudi-backed murderers instead of Iranian-backed murderers to be utterly pointless, except negatively insofar as it involved us backing a bunch of vile fuckers in a conflict we had no business being in.
Still wouldn't support the Saudis if it were up to me. But now I certainly support retaliating against the Houthis until they stop attacking international civilian shipping.
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Alrighty. I'll bite. Link me to a source.
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Yeah those guys are weird. Almost as weird as the "progressive except for Palestine" crowd.
Edit: actually, exactly like that crowd. Both are making exceptions to their progressivism for Palestine. Only some do it in a pro-Israeli and some in an anti-Israeli way. "Except for Palestine" both ways.
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Fucking psychopaths would see the Palestinian laborer crushed under the boot of theocracy purely because "they shoot at jews sometimes tho."
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A little mask off there saying "Jews" instead of "Israelis"
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Yes how mask off of me to point out the mask off rhetoric of Houthi stans.
That shared braincell spending an early weekend with the ex?
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no, it really isn't.
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Ideology aside, as geopolitical players they do kinda fuck compared to their peers. Constantly underestimated.
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It's insane how Americans who wanted every Arab dead since the 90s suddenly want to moralize
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It's insane how people lecturing others about how "the lesser evil is still evil, and evil is unacceptable" are going all in to lick the boots of a bigoted fascist theocracy that rules over its stretch of Yemen by naked force for attacking civilians unrelated to the cause they're supposedly supporting.
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One can do a good action and a bad action at the same time. They can support a national liberation struggle and oppress their citizens at the same time. I don't know why you'd have to make a final verdict, countries are not people you should hang out with. They are bureaucratic entities with interests that are a lot of the times opposite to those of the people. How about all counties are bad?
Also I don't understand why you would hold the poorest country in the world that was facing a genocide and the worst humanitarian crisis in earth 5-10 years ago by the Saudis and the US to the same social standards as the West. These people are hungry, poor, destroyed in every way and up until recently had to fight to gain their independence. Who do you expect to rule except for these Houthi fighters? If the west and the Saudis had let them live, then we could talk. I see this stupid take so often like with Afghanistan, it's frustrating.
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Who do you expect to rule except for these Houthi fighters?
Holy fucking shit, please look into the history of the Yemeni Civil War. The idea of the Houthis as fighting for the independence of the Yemeni people is beyond absurd.
That's some "Who do you expect to rule except the Taliban" level take-
I see this stupid take so often like with Afghanistan, it’s frustrating.
... of course.
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So treating women like humans is optional for you. Got it.
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Once you realize that the reason they are not treating women equal is because they've been uneducated and starved to death by imperial powers to reach the point to have this government, and not because they are stupid or something, then we can talk. Oh and once you learn to read how I never said it's acceptable, but rather that we can applaud them for one thing and condemn them for another.
If you let them live for a couple of decades they will sort it out is the main idea.
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what's your position on western sanctions on russia? innocent russians have definitely died as a result of the sanctions
do you agree with the notion of a blockade but not with the specific group doing it? can an action be bad solely because of the party that's enacting it?
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what’s your position on western sanctions on russia?
My position is that intentionally attacking civilians with military force is indefensible. I don't know why that's suddenly popular on some corners of the online left.
do you agree with the notion of a blockade but not with the specific group doing it?
- I dispute that the Houthis are genuinely attempting to blockade Israel
- I dispute that, even if they were, that their actions constitute in any way a viable way to blockade Israel
- I dispute that, even if their blockade was successful, that it would meaningfully impact Israel's ongoing genocide, considering that most trade that passes through the area isn't going to Israel, and that the amount of trade that does pass through to Israel through Eilat is not nearly significant enough to damage their ongoing efforts, which are not exactly stymied by a lack of cars from China or a lack of diamonds from India.
- I dispute that attacking civilians, a war crime, is morally acceptable. There are laws in the modern day, it's not the fucking Bronze Age.
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I dispute that, even if they were, that their actions constitute in any way a viable way to blockade Israel
so their actions are bad because you don't think they'll be effective? honestly, pressuring global trade has historically been a pretty good way of achieving goals in capitalism
I dispute that attacking civilians, a war crime, is morally acceptable.
again, sanctions on russia have definitely killed people
so you're fine with people dying, just so long as they do it from freezing to death in their homes rather than by direct military action?
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Enforcing a punitive economic strategy isn't the same as engaging in glorified pirate terrorism because Iran told you to but you totally insist it's for palestinian liberation toats mcgoats my dudes!
Speaking as a Palestinian, fuck the houthis and their opportunistic bullshit with a hot iron.
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Sanctions are not a blockade. Sanctions would be the Houthis stopping all of their own trade with Israel for example. The Houthis blockading Israel mesns they try to stop everybody from trading with Israel by force. Hence a blockade is an act of war.
And no I do not believe somebody being vegan is an act of war.
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"Israel is genociding Palestine! Obviously, this means that we MUST kill Filipino civilian sailors on a Greek boat going to Saudi Arabia to stop Israel!"
Brilliant. Have fun with that.
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The mind is boggled. Has the word genocide lost all meaning ?
If it has then it's largely your fault.
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Wel thanks very much but modesty prevents me from taking all the credit.
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I am very disturbed by mean words on a flag and a naval blockade in protest to an ongoing genocide.
Hmmm
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"Naval blockade" here meaning "attacking random civilian ships in international waters because they MIGHT be Jews"
Yes, I am sure this is how a naval blockade against a particular country works, you just pick a handful of civilian ships at random to shoot at and claim they were secretly part of your enemies. War crimes are okay when it's Your Side (and apparently, your side is the Islamofascists, very curious)
EDIT: Of course, they're a Tiananmen Square denier too. How predictable.
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Doing more to stop a genocide than the western powers sending weapons.
How many war crimes on balance?
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Murdering filipinos to upset the israelis. Yes, totally a naval blockade and not just unhinged terrorism.
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