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I love how often "we have no idea how they did it!" and "they couldn't possibly do something this sophisticated!" turns into "we know how, when, where they got the materials and the name of the project foreman" when you just ask an archeologist.
- Even when archaeologists don’t have that level of detail, they can still confidently tell you that people don’t really change. If we can imagine something now, they could most likely imagine the same thing a thousand years ago.
  For example, you know what’s an incredibly common thing to find on a dig? Dildos. Phallic stuff is everywhere, and when you find a well-polished, life-sized clay dick, it’s pretty clear what it was used for. The Greeks had devices that were essentially computers that could predict celestial movements. Running water and indoor plumbing was relatively common in the ancient world.
  We’re so egotistical to think that humans in the past were somehow incapable of thinking, planning, or building at our level. And we convince ourselves that we’re better than them because we have all this fancy stuff No, their brains were just as complex and capable, they just didn’t have access to the same kinds of tools that we do.
  
  For example, you know what’s an incredibly common thing to find on a dig? Dildos. Phallic stuff is everywhere, and when you find a well-polished, life-sized clay dick, it’s pretty clear what it was used for
  I'm just going to imagine that they were using it to slap politicians in the face with dildos. Because something about roman senators getting slapped with a clay horsecock makes me laugh.
  
  I love the ingenious solutions for ancient under floor heating.
  
  Tbf a lot of things that people did by hand in the past would be unthinkable for a lot of modern people as to how to achieve it without CAD etc.
  
  i find it weird that people are latching onto the concept of it being like racist or xenophobic, and there's definitely room to discuss that about it. But i can't help but feel like we're talking about a dumbass with a netflix show, shouldn't we apply occam's razor here?
  I feel like the obvious answer here is that bro is a dumbass, made up a conspiracy, and is using it to make money. Granted i also don't know much about his history, maybe he does a little racism in his spare time idk.
  
  @BertramDitore @Hegar
  Running water and indoor plumbing was relatively common in the ancient world.
  really ?
  In 1920, only 1% of US homes had indoor plumbing
  https://www.aceee.org/files/proceedings/2004/data/papers/SS04Panel1Paper17.pdf
  
  Running water and indoor plumbing was relatively common in the ancient world.
  Mostly for the rich or other well off citizens, lower classes still had to walk to a local fountain or well to get water
- People found the pyramid building manual quite recently. At the turn of the century, it was still a mystery.
  Normal people don't keep up with stuff that recent.

I get the same reaction from my fellow Americans when i tell them I walk my groceries home so I'm not surprised
- My cousin couldn't understand how I bought groceries after I sold my car. After telling him I walked three blocks to the store he asked how I bought groceries in winter. I told him I put on a coat and boots and walk three blocks to the store.
  
  One of my carless kin! There are dozens of us!! The number of times people have assumed I can't go somewhere "because it's raining" and I'm just like, I have a jacket and an umbrella! But what if you're biking?? Um, I have a jacket, a backpack cover and leggings and sometimes... if I'm just heading home to a hot shower and a change of clothes, I just get soaking wet! Like absolutely sodden! NBD! And if I'm heading somewhere without the option of a change of clothes, I bus there and that leads to a whole other issue of "But that must take ssooo long!?!" Yeah sure, a bit longer, but I can relax, pop on some headphones, set google maps to tell me when I'm near my stop, watch/listen to something and let the driver worry about the driving!
- I live two blocks from my local market, I understand you.
  Also, they don't understand that giving me a bag for milk is not worth it, milk has a handle.
  
  No, it comes in a plastic lined cardboard box with a screw on lid 😛
  
  It actually pisses me off to no end when people put their plastic jug of milk into a plastic bag. Like, the jug is heavy enough that the bag will never hold it, just fucking carry it like a normal person

Change my pitch up
Stack some bricks up!
- i wasn't expecting prodigy here.
  In other news, banger song, go listen to it (smack my removed up for those wondering)
- Literally first thing that came to mind

I know it's a meme but can somebody set me straight? I swear I read somewhere that this narrative started with the research community saying, essentially, "we know a number of ways in which they might have achieved this feat but we aren't sure which one they used," but the entertainment/conspiracy communities heard "there is no explanation for how these people were able to achieve this feat."
- It started with "we have no idea how they did it". Then over time it morphed into "we have several hypotheses but don't know if it any of those is realistic". The current state of things is still there regarding the construction technique itself.
  In the meantime the village where construction workers lived has been found. Now we know the profile or people who built the pyramids, how they lived and what they ate. Even some details about work organization.
  All of this still didn't propagate into the popular culture which is still stuck in the 1980s regarding pyramid knowledge.
  
  Cool

i would really appreciate it if a stats/math nerd would put together a short piece on how "statistically it only makes sense if the Egyptians built a pyramid, this is the most logical and likely outcome"
i feel like you could argue that statistically, shapes that are to be built by humans, will inevitably approach the shape of a pyramid.
- I'm too lazy and incompetent at statistics to do the math, but survivorship bias is very much relevant here.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
  Turns out, if you build something that isn't a bunch of stones in an organized stack, it won't last thousands of years like the organized stone stacks.
  
  this is true, regardless, i'm still sure it's somewhat relevant. human societies have built a lot of large structures, but the pyramids are some of the largest ever.
- Take a handful of sand. Turn your first perpendicular to the ground and let it fall slowly. What shape does it form? It's one of the most stable shapes you can make.
  
  A cone?
- It's more due to engineering. Materials have limited strength. Stone has fairly good compressive strength, but it'll still crack if you put too much weight on it. If you use your stone to make a tower, it won't get very high before it topples over. If you instead build a pyramid, the weight of the stone on top is dispersed across several stones below it and those stones disperse their weight to multiple stones and so on down to the base, letting you build far taller.
  
  if you build a literal tower there are two primary issues: how do you get things up to the top, and 2, it will fall over because of gravity and or wind if you aren't careful. (or just the ground being too soft to support it)
  the pyramid solves basically all of these problems.

The same thing with things like Stonehenge. I liked the theory that said these types of constructions are the result of the prehistoric version of Burning Man, where they built it just because they could as an art installation.
- Well considering they rebuilt Stonehenge in the 1950s its possible the site is totally wrong too. Its possible it should look more like the Callanish stones.
- It's still standing because luckily for us they didn't invent fire yet. /s
  
  Not even /s, there are signs of posts planted upright nearby, a so-called woodhenge.

i got into an argument on tiktok with someone who insisted that no ancient civilization could build the pyramids. i asked them if they knew what tools were and they clapped back with "what tools did they have back then?" mf never heard of simple machines
- "but how did they make the lines so straight???!!!"
  Mf never pulled on a piece of string.
- There's some guy on YouTube who was showing how to lift boulders and logs by himself using only simple levers and inclines. It's been a while since I watched it, but if I remember right he moves a rock the size of a car 100 yards and lifts it a few feet into the air.
  He does this with tree branches, rope, and scrap wood lol
- Show them a video of an automaton to blow their minds.

I refuse to believe medieval people could build cathedrals. They lacked modern tools for such precise masonry and glasswork.
- aliens don't like white people
- Well, they were modern at the time.

Okay but if they really built a hydraulic lift elevator that’s so cool

They also gain approval from the Royal Society of Putting Things On Top Of Other Things.

Morticia Adams lookin fly

she might be but hard to tell from this angle

Everyone, or just the people who would call in to coast to coast am?

Putting things on top of other things.

Whips, rimmer, massive massive whips.
Actually, this isn't that hard given enough slaves and beasts of burden like camels.
Each stone was 2.5 tons (5000lbs) on average and the average human male can pull 500 lbs easily. That means with decent friction elimination (rolling logs, water, sand etc.) it would only take 10 adult slaves and a horse to move each block.
- The most interesting part to me is the rope strong enough to pull that kind of weight.
  
  ropes together strong
- Peep Show also has that joke - "Slaves, Jeremy" VS "Whips, Rimmer".
  But there's a good chance that the answer wasn't slaves, but well paid, hard-drinking work-units, organized along the lines of boat crews, all working together during a public festival and overseen by well trained specialists.

I mean, can you make one that big?
I didn’t think so.
I rest my cases

How many kilograms each?
Yes.

TBF, they had some pretty shitty science in ancient Egypt.

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