Conservatives don't understand how to human.

It's needs to be raised and indexed to inflation.

Raising it alone is not enough. We'll just spend another thirty years fighting for the next increase.

This is hiw businesses win this game. Whine about it to the point the amount you're asking isn't even enough, demand subsidies to increase wages and then give pretty much the same they paid a few years ago, pocketing the rest.

Perhaps part of the problem is a fixation on the specific number and lack of consideration for the material needs of the people. How much does it cost to live in your city? That's the minimum wage. Is that $120/day? Is that $200/day? Is that $5000/day? That needs to be the wage floor.

Feel like you're spending too much money on labor? See about reducing the cost of living, then we can talk.

$25 minimum. Those two jobs are much more valuable than tech project managers.

i say $30, easy, maybe more.

Let's make it a nice round $30/hr and call it a day.

Not bad, has a few problems though, I would never want to be a banker, even worse an investment banker, yet those fuckers earn way more than I want them to

Go cleaning staff! Also other slave like jobs. It's a little bit sad that to make money you'd need to actively make your life worse, but it's a great starting point. It would also make the story billionaires make up about working hard have a real point.

My rule of thumb is "the less I'd like to do a job, the more the person doing it should be paid."

That does already put upward pressure on the wage. Same reason that graveyard shifts tend to pay more than first or second shift positions of the same job, and that more dangerous jobs tend to pay more than safer ones of equal overall difficulty.

so-called unskilled jobs

"Unskilled" is not an insult when talking about jobs, it's just terminology/jargon. In this context, it describes a certain category of job: one that requires no prior special certification or schooling to be qualified for, and that the typical person can be trained to do to a satisfactory level within a month or so.

jobs that get routinely exploited.

The fact that many people are qualified to do those jobs (due to their low requirements) is the primary thing driving the wage down for them. As long as there is someone willing to do the job for X amount less than you're willing to, they'll get hired over you, because the job is such that individual excellence doesn't make nearly as much difference. You can't really blame the company for hiring the cheapest adequate labor they have access to, they're doing no different than the workers trying to find the highest paying job they can. To criticize one without criticizing the other is a double standard.

We have a locality pay scale BAKED IN to federal salaries. Federal salaries are established and updated yearly. Using this, we could get rid of a dedicated minimum wage number. All we need to do is set the minimum wage to the lowest amount a federal employee could be paid in that location, and you're all set. Federal minimum wage debate solved.

If the government can't find employees, then they need to raise the locality pay there, or bump up the payscale across the board. Same could be done for the minimum wage

You can't make the minimum the average lol

i think the last time i saw someone do the math, that by the time 15 is fully rollled out everwhere the minimum would need to be like 26-30 dollars an hour to keep up with ridiculous costs of everything.

Thats by design.

They took 10+ years to finally implement the 15 dollar minimum wage, explicitly so it would still be too low to live on by the time it was in, so they can turn around and go and lambast people for being "greedy" after getting what they wanted...while willfully obviating and distracting from the shit like rent and home prices that are getting furthe and further out of the average americans reach.

"The economy" is just money in motion. Like how electric charges moving create light, moving money carries and creates value in the exchange. When rich people soak up money from millions of people, they destroy all that value and the economy stagnates. When millions of people are given money and then spend it in millions of ways, the global economy improves.

We optimize our economy around stagnate money sitting in septic pools, when we should be trying to build an ocean of money that never stops flowing.

They never took econ 101 and don't understand that elasticity is a thing. They think that literally all costs are passed to consumers.

Prices are rising on their own, before any wage hikes prices had risen already.

Assuming that math is linear, a $15 an hour minimum wage would be 100% increase and responsible for an additional 3.6% inflation. We can argue about whether or not this increase I’d wroth it, but it is hardly 0.

That being said, I suspect this math has changed since Covid. Wages have generally gone up I would not be shocked if many companies are already paying their formerly min wage employees more. The fewer people between 7.25 and $15 the lower the impact on “the economy”.

Sounds like even a minor general strike would get concessions pretty quick

So voting? Too bad we never get to actually vote on these things. All handled by geriatrics that don't give a fuck about the current generations.

This is how long the fight for 15 has been going on. We will finally get 15 when minimum wage should be 46 dollars

Zip code is way too small of an area though. I can picture better off areas getting all the workers - no one wants to work in that shitty grocery in the low income part of town

It's like that cartoon of the guy with a whole pile of cookies telling the guy with one cookie "Look out! That immigrant wants to steal your cookie!" You can substitute any other demographic for the immigrant - socialist, burger-flipper, victim of medical extortion - and it still works.

Sure, I want a cookie too. I look out the window of my ground floor (first floor for the US) apartment at my neighbour watching a beautiful sunset through the wide glass front or his fancy first floor living room (second floor for the US) that seems to be about the size of my whole apartment, and I want that too. I see another guy move his Mercedes from the driveway so he can drive his BMW today instead, and I want a nice car too. I hear a colleague cursing the bureaucratic bullshit of having to do the property taxes for both his own parents and his in-laws on top of his own, and I can't help but feel a sting of envy at his luxury problems. I want property too. I want a nice cookie too.

But the critical word in all these examples here is too. My neighbour can have his apartment with the beautiful view, the other guy can have his cars (climate consciousness notwithstanding, we have bigger sinners to worry about), my colleague's parents and in-laws can have their houses too, and it's a wonderful thing that they have the support of someone helping them as they age and struggle with these things who also has experience from his own property. I don't want to take these things away. Hell, even when I see my landlady's constant vacation pictures that I know my rent is sponsoring, I don't begrudge her that vacation (though I do resent having to pay rent). They can all keep their cookies.

But if a corporate CEO gets a multi-million annual salary and another multi-million bonus while I got a "generous" thousand for an internship, he can well spare a cookie or a thousand. And even he pales next to private investors earning - whether through dividends or through their stock value increasing - just as much without even carrying any degree of responsibility. At least the CEO still does some work, even if it doesn't justify his salary.

To be clear, I still don't give a shit about the small-time middle-class pension fund investor. They participate in a fucked up system and I wish their pension would be funded differently, but if their investment pays my wages, I'll be content. Let them have their cookie. Hell, I'd even be content to let them have a second cookie, if that was the price for me and everyone else getting at least one.

I can cope with some level of inequality as a concession to the unfair and imperfect nature of humanity. It would still be better than having to pick up the crumbs off the table while watching as the big guy shovels another tray of cookies I baked onto his pile.

For anyone worried about their cookie: Let's work together. Let's topple the cookie-hoarders and distribute their cookies. Let's get you another cookie. And if I have a cookie of my own, you don't need to worry so much about me wanting to take yours. We all win.

Except the hoarders, but fuck them.

Studies have shown that when minimum wage increases you see increases all up the pay scale, and the closer to minimum wage the greater the increase is. The reason being why would I be an EMT for $17 an hour when I can go be a burger flipper for $15 and not have to get PTSD? So these lower middle class people making 20ish dollars an hour would see a pay bump for sure. Which brings me to my next point other people have pointed out, it should be a fight for 20-25 and hour.

Imo there is an issue if you do nothing but increase minimum wage. You also need to limit price inflation and make sure the companies don't just return the increased cost to the consumer. Then you'll have gained nothing. Example. Burger grill pays their workers 10$/hr - burger costs 4$. Now you force the burger grill to pay workers 15$/hr, a 50% increase and they go, alright, burgers now cost 6$. Most places do this and the worker, even though they now earn 50% more, can't actually buy more because cost of living has increased equally. We need regulations on how companies operate their profit or actually get back to a point where competition would punish pricing like that. But somehow with only a handful owning everything that is kinda fucked.

Because banning people you don't agree with from running for Congress is fascist, even if it's for what you believe is the right reasons. Everyone has a right to vote for who represents them, even if they're garbage.

DAE free speech is bad???

Lemmy is such a fucking cesspit.

I've had these talks with people.

Like they get upset because they see a ice cream shop advertising $18/hour for a cashier and getting pissed at that?

(I assume, because I can't fathom a criticism of paying someone more than the value their labor creates, therefore I'll just assume it's actually a value judgment of the person themself)

If the value a person's labor creates doesn't support their basic necessities even though they work full time, either things cost too much or that labor is undervalued. Anyone who does a job full time deserves to be able to cover their basic necessities.

I've had dozens of conversations that went just like this. As long as a decade ago from fuckin cable pullers and surveyors (the ones that hike through shit and snow with flags not the engineers) making 14$ an hour in Alberta when everyone else that flew out there was making 30+. You could make the same shoveling shit back home and they were upset about BC paying Tim's workers 18$ at the time.

People are fuckin stupid and unaware. So they guess, wrong at their situation 99% of the time because some yokel in a suit pointed fingers at a convenient distraction that plays on their already present xenophobia. None of their "issues" were geographically or economically pertainent to themselves but they liked to removed about them all the same.

All raising the minimum wage does is raise expenses for everything.

Demonstrably false. Prices will always go up regardless. Nobody should have to work for less than a liveable wage. If you disagree with me you are a piece of shit.

If you work 40 hours a week you need to earn enough to live in the city where you do said work. Period.

Also, wages are only a small part of costs for pretty much everything. +10% wages does NOT mean +10% total costs for whatever that worker provides, and so does NOT mean +10% price, if the company is honest.

but as someone who’s seen what happens when ownership is shared, everyone is equal, a cook should be able to run a country - fuck that. I’ll take bad capitalism over that nonsense any day.

Nice strawman... You sure showed that completely made up political/economic philosophy who's boss!