apt install firefox

Also, Snap is proprietary. That alone is reason enough for me to steer clear.

I do have a problem with them, the same problem was solved, better, with other technologies like appImage (which doesn't litter your mount list with 100 meaningless entries).

Even flatpak is better, snap is an also ran they're trying to force on us without being as good as any of the competitors.

Couldn't the same argument be made for any distro? They give you what they put in their repos. If you want a deb package, use the mozillateam PPA (which is built on Canonical's hardware, same as Mozilla's snap of it).

when I don’t have a choice and I am being forced to use what the distro maintainers think is good for me.

That's the case on literally any distro.
And just like on literally any distro, you can also install Firefox from FlatPak, the Mozilla repo or from source.

Welcome to the gang. I think you'll like it here.

Same here. What especially irritated me was that even though I installed the .deb firefox and followed the directions to disable snap firefox, occasionally Ubuntu went ahead and reinstalled snap firefox for me.

Ubuntu was great, until Unity debacle, when I switched to Mint DE. Few years later I returned to an Unity free Ubuntu just to be welcomed with snaps and Ubuntu pro.

For me it was when I was trying to use some Android tools and it tried to install the snap version. The snap version was broken of course.

installs Firefox LSR

(I am still very happy having made the switch to debian, although I would like to switch to plasma 6 at some point xD)

How has your experience been so far?

At least back then, snaps wouldn't work if the home folders were not under /home/<username>,

Do you mean that it literally had /home/ hard-coded instead of using $HOME? That's crazy if so.

Looks like a NiN album cover.

Trisquel GNU/Linux, is Ubuntu with all the non-free packages removed. Don't see any of that stuff.

I also am very fond of 8.10. It was my first exposure to Linux :)

Tbf, Unbuntu works, but they're ran by a company which has made some questionable choices. You can still go with it if you don't care too much, it has the advantages of being user friendly and well documented.

If you'd rather not, but you want something not too far and equally easy, you can go with Linux Mint, which is based on Ubuntu but disables snaps. They also offer differently choices of desktop environments, the default being Cinnamon (which looks a bit more like windows), and another being Mate, which is closer to Gnome.

They also have a "Debian Edition", which aims to stop being dependant on Ubuntu and may or may not replace the default edition someday, but so far it's not the one they recommend for new users.

Switching to Ubuntu is way, way better than staying on Windows.

That being said, Ubuntu is maintained by the Canonical company, and they have made some really sus decisions in the past. Things like putting Amazon ads in the application launcher and then trying to gaslight people when the inevitable backlash arrived.

The meme above refers to Canonical's own Snap packaging format (think of it like UWP/Microsoft Store apps vs. "regular" Win32 apps), and the way they're pushing for its adoption. Snap is installed by default on Ubuntu and official Ubuntu flavors. You can uninstall it manually, but Canonical has modified the APT package manager so that when an application is available as a Snap package, it automatically installs the Snap back-end and the application as a Snap package without notifying the user (instead of installing the .deb-packaged applications, which is what happens on all other distributions that use APT). Canonical recently also ordered that official Ubuntu flavors (which are maintained by independent groups) can't include Flatpak, a universal packaging format that directly competes with Snap, in their default installations.

You could try out Linux Mint¹, they're Ubuntu based and disable Snap by default².

1. https://linuxmint.com
2. https://linuxmint-user-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/snap.html

Just install something else like Linux Mint or Pop OS. Ubuntu doesn't seem to want to respect your rights as a user. You do one thing and the sneakily do something else. Its a bit like how Microsoft makes Edge the default after an update.

It's not as bad as it looks, especially if you aren't hardcore, but for long-term linux users it's not great.

Debian has become what Ubuntu wanted to be: An easy, clean distribution that basically just works, which is a major reversal.

Also consider fedora.

But don't be worried about Ubuntu, it's still completely usable.

Pick whatever looks best. It's not a big of a deal as we make it out to be.

Fedora KDE is also an awesome choice though if you must choose something else.

Ubuntu's packet manager Apt was already kind of awful in many ways, especially with its PPA hell. But them adding Snap packages somehow managed to make them reach even new levels of awful.

I recommend LMDE nowadays, but it doesn't really matter.

Switch to Linux but you have major paradigm you need to pick. Do you want your computer to be bleeding edge but it be a hobby? Or do you want slightly older and rock solid? Or do you have an enterprise support contract? You only pick Ubuntu/RHEL if you have the last one.

KDE Neon or EndeavorOS are also options, depending on whats important to you in a distro. I recommend getting a live usb so you can boot into linux and try it before installing the whole system.

Ignore the noise and go with Ubuntu LTS. When you get comfortable with that, you could try Debian.

You could play it backwards too. Try Debian, if you can't get it to do what you want, wipe and do Ubuntu LTS. But I do not recommend this path if you have no idea what you're doing. People underestimate how difficult it is to do simple things when you don't know how to, no matter how trivial.

I would suggest not judging distros by what the online community says.

Install Ubuntu and see whether you encounter any issues. If not, who cares about what some meme says.

Install cachyos

Nah, this is just the same "hivemind hates thing" leaking over from Reddit. It's not that different to the systemd hate. There's a core of a point, but if a small fraction of the energy spent on the daily Two Minutes Hate were redirected towards fixing the things those folks don't like, they wouldn't have any molehills to treat as mountains.

Isn't that what "classic" confinement is supposed to solve?

And there broken design. They are way overly complex and snapd requires large amounts of permissions. They also add a ton of overhead and make everything slow.

Yeah but then your system starts behaving weirdly here and there.

How did Pop!_OS fare?

I'd love to know what's consistently breaking on KDE Neon for you. I've got some specific bugs I'm working through with their team, but I've never found it to be "always broken" (although I will say it is easier to break than Kubuntu IME).

Why not try Void. It's fairly up to date regarding all packages, including KDE and it's rock solid.

When I used Mint, it felt like packages are outdated just like on Debian (based on Ubuntu LTS + needs time to rebase onto a new one).

I think they solve the problem the wrong way.

My thoughts exactly 👍.

Next step is probably a VM…

Boy, you're gonna love QubesOS

I like your comment a lot because you can substitute a lot of different things for "snap" and it still ends up sounding like a very reasonable opinion

I feel like I would be more okay with leaded gasoline if it didn’t still have a lot of very real flaws.

I feel like I would be more okay with anarcho-capitalism if it didn’t still have a lot of very real flaws.

I feel like I would be more okay with PFAS-coated cookware if it didn’t still have a lot of very real flaws.

I feel like I would be more okay with single-use plastic bags if it didn’t still have a lot of very real flaws.

I feel like I would be more okay with cryptocurrencies if it didn’t still have a lot of very real flaws.

I feel like I would be more okay with generative AI if it didn’t still have a lot of very real flaws.

I feel like I would be more okay with eating highly processed meat if it didn’t still have a lot of very real flaws.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap_(software)

As to "why should I care", you don't have to... unless you use Ubuntu.

Please don't.

Nix is a cool, good technology. We don't need it to be an annoying meme.

Windows is shit as well. It has 3 shells and you never know which one is the right one.

Every OS has it's pros and cons 🤷.