Microsoft says its Recall uninstall option in Windows 11 is just a bug

Microsoft is just a bug.
- Microsoft confirms it's just a bug.

The jokes are becoming reality, I swear...

The fact that they won't allow users to uninstall it should suggest some things about their motives.

It's just too easy to dunk on MS these days. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
- It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
  Twice. At point blank range. To the back of the head. With an elephant gun.
  
  Or a mortar. Point blank.
- Well, since the fish are just laying there, at the bottom, motionless and dead it's pretty easy.

it's not for the end user, it's for the end user's boss who wants to monitor all their worker drones' productivity
- It's not for the end user's boss, it's there to collect data for the future Microsoft user behaviour analysis tools that will be sold to the end user's boss's boss.
  
  it can be for 2 things
  but it's definitely not for the benefit of anyone who's forced to use it
- Why measure performance metrics in terms of output when we can just 1984 everyone’s workstation.
  
  Because that would, at one point, imply a full process audit, which will inevitably lead to some shit-stirring, especially in terms of management's contribution to said output, making it much easier for the worker to see just how underpaid they are and probably hurting some manager's feewings. We can't have the truth! Better to Love Big Brother and blame the Drone!
- Im pretty sure that's illegal in EU (or at least in Germany).
- They have better tools for that.
  
  office boss using tools LOL good one

User choice is an accident. Got it.

Linux is the future.
- not until Linux bros find a way to appeal to newcomers. being curious about Linux is the worst user experience anyone will ever have about any tech related issue.
  
  You aren't trying to suggest that experienced Linux users are a bunch of arrogant fart-sniffing a-holes who expressly enjoy gate-keeping inexperienced users by being as condescending and unhelpful as possible?
  
  Need to pair it with a stable, easy to use distribution and some good marketing and hardware too. At the end of the day, most people don’t want to spend their weekends scouring forums to understand how to fix some OS issue with a series of terminal commands.
  
  This is my life right now.
  I put Linux on my HP laptop...
  Speakers give weird sound Media keys don't work Worst of all: ever since I updated the laptop somehow crashes my router? Like, I don't even know how this is possible, but it's happening.
  I'm not an idiot but all the solutions to getting these seemingly basic things to work as intended are extremely contrived.
  
  I agree. However there are some gems. Got one good piece of advice from https://lemmy.world/u/BombOmOm and now I'm on the Linux train (at least on one laptop anyway).
  
  Please don't lump us all together.
  
  I started on Linux as a kid and let me tell you, being curious about windows, welp that's been horrific.
  Curious in this case is a strong term, quite a few of my students are on Windows and that OS is a mess. I don't care much for apple but at least MacBooks work.
  
  I don't think Linux Bros will ever find a way to appeal to ~~women~~ newcomers. I think it will take a company that can afford to hire UI/UX designers, marketing people, etc.
  But, that's hard because there's a chicken / egg situation. Selling a Linux-based computer to the general public is going to be very difficult because of the network effects around Mac and Windows machines. Everyone else uses them and so there are people you can ask for help, there are software vendors who make stuff for the platform (also with nice UIs meant for normal people). I can only see someone spending money to make a mass-market friendly Linux in some limited circumstances.
  One situation where a company might make a truly user-friendly Linux distribution is if a company like Valve decided to make a game console. They already have the Steam Deck which is doing really well, but nobody's going to be doing their taxes on a Steam Deck (although they could). But, if they made a desktop-replacement game console that could both play games and also act as a normal home PC, they could afford to spend the money needed to sand the rough edges off the experience.
  Another situation might be if a big country mandated Linux for something, either for government computers or for kids in schools. They'd probably have to have a support contract for that, and whoever was supporting those systems would want them to be as user-friendly as possible so they didn't have to deal with as many support issues. So, if say Brazil mandated that all government employees switch to Linux, that could result in some company making a Linux desktop experience that was comparable to Windows.
- And has been for the last 30 years
- always, it seems

That’s okay, I hit the Windows uninstall button back in April. It’s been quite nice ever since!
- ...but was it the "Windows Uninstall" button...or the "format /dev/sda1 as ext4" button?
  
  Nah I used the btrfs button

Is called “Windows” because they are always looking in at you. I have been on Linux since they announced recall, and their fucking one drive kept secretly uploading my desktop files! (Kept seeing sync icons, even with all that disabled). Since then I now have my wife, uncle, dad, friends, etc all running Linux now.
- How? I have been trying to switch people to linux for over a year and failing
  
  I gave them laptops, Linux mint pre-installed. I used to buy auction lots of broken laptops, so I got them for like $10 each. Threw in an SSD. It works as fast as a new machine for browsing the web and watching YouTube. I also pre-installed some common programs to get them started.
  
  My reason was being that I couldn't get HDR to work properly in KDE 6 plasma. Also 90% of the features from my graphics card that I use on a daily basis are missing in Linux.
  If I didn't have cutting-edge hardware paired with an Nvidia GPU, I would have already switched by now. I build a new PC once every decade, so I'll check back in about 3-5 years once my hardware has aged enough that people are writing proper drivers for it that goes beyond the bare-bones featureset.
  
  Just give up on any productivity software. And any specialty software unrelated to programming. And games.
  Source: programmer that uses Linux daily.

But... But they got the good press of "at least you can uninstall". I hope whoever said that starts a bigger shit storm now.

Microsoft says it remains on track to preview Recall with Windows Insiders on Copilot Plus PCs in October, after the company has had more time to make major changes to Recall.
Just in time for Halloween. That'll be sure to give people a good scare.

OF course they had to do it in reverse: it's not a feature, it's a bug.

Altogether now children "It's a bug until...it's a feature!"

How will this work at an enterprise level? I can absolutely say that the company I work for cannot allow that kind of information to be harvested. Our clients would have a conniption. I also can't see our cyber security insurance covering that.
- Man, even with updating the Adxm* or what ever the GP definitions are Windows 11 is already painfully under customizable. Like by a wide margin.
- +1 for great use of "conniption"

/me Laughs in Windows 10.
- I'm still on windows ten. Currently trying to switch to Linux. What are your plans when end of life /support comes to Windows ten?
  
  What are your plans when end of life /support comes to Windows ten?
  Switch to Linux and run virtual machines when I need to use Windows.
  Right now I don't quite have the drive to do it, but an end to support for Windows 10 would push me over the edge. I just can't stand Windows 11, not even because of all the bullshit but just the way it mandates the UI structure - last time I tried it my dealbreaker was that you can't just have it always display all taskbar icons, you have to manually force each one to show. If a new icon comes up, it will be hidden.
  
  Im in the same boat, I'll either move to some cracked version of windows without the recall bs, or more likely some linux distro.
  
  I might try to setup Win 10 LTSC which has support until 2027, but I mostly use Mint these days. Would still like to avoid Win 11, even if I only use it for gaming.
- /me Laughs in Linux
  
  I'm sure I'll be there with you soon enough.
- It is so strange to see people flexing $PREVIOUS_WINDOWS when $PREVIOUS_WINDOWS itself brought in egregious anti-features that are now normalized and accepted by average users as "not malware".
  
  Yeah, but most if not all of those antifeatures can be removed very easily.

How could that even happen? It was either never intended to ship outside of the User Experience Package alongside actual system apps or it was intended to be capable of being uninstalled during development.
Sounds like the employees did a little insubordination, good job employee we love you.

How this is good for Mircosoft though? It makes sense if they want to do it opt-out, but the only reason why I can think of they don't want it to get removed at all to sell data
- I am wildly speculating it is to collect all the workflows from remote workers in the hopes they can sell the data to other companies for future automation. Just another way of squeezing money out of users who already paid for the software just to have more information stolen from them.

I don't get it. People riot over less. Why is there not more ire, anger, and vitriol online?
- It's very carefully being shoved in by touching the waters and seeing how far they can go. The first few times there is outrage but after a while people get tired, miss that it is happening or simply don't understand what it's about. The changes aren't that big but as a whole work towards something nobody wants. Same as with a lot of laws and / or social changes.
  
  A lot of people are really good at justifying the problems by completely missing the point as well. i.e people going “Oh you can just disable/hide/remove xyz” when the issue is that xyz shouldn’t be there at all or be opt in, rather than opt out.
  Then there’s the people that listen to these justifications without a second thought or even parroting them, giving them extra legitimacy to other people that come across these takes.
- People riot
  It depends on the country, I'd say.
  over less
  What is "less" for you?
  
  I rioted once when I stubbed my toe. It was on a new Ikea bed which was a pain to put together, and the fact that it continued to cause me pain just set me over the edge. I went right down to the harbour and threw everything into the water, because let Posidon deal with it, only the bed got me back because I picked the wrong crates, I chucked my tea into the water instead. I was sad. It was 1772
- Why is there not more ire, anger, and vitriol online?
  As a more general answer, the web has been neutered with overmoderation and safe space mentality. Ire, anger, vitriol, which are all normal and valid emotions, systematically get hidden away.
  Bringing it back to $NEWS_TOPIC, why are people using a software whose changes can bring them to ire, anger and vitriol? It sounds similar to growing angry with an abusive lover. "Why does he hit me?".
  
  God damn i hate what the Internet has become, i can barely even comment on YouTube
- Do they? Sure, people riot all the time with very good reason. But usually it’s like, they don’t have access to food, or they’re being forced to work longer because the retirement age is increased, or maybe because they’re being evicted from their homes. Certainly these issues are not in any way comparable to a software feature that some people dislike.

Well, needed "bug" that's for sure