Proton is transitioning towards a non-profit structure | Proton

I think it might be because AI (aka LLMs) is genuinely useful when used properly.

I use AI all the time to write emails. I give the LLM the email thread along with instructions like “I can’t make it Tuesday ask if they can do Wednesday at 2pm”

The AI will write out an email that’s polite and relevant in context. Totally worth it.

I think the problem is people/companies trying to shove LLMs where they don’t make sense.

Non-profit doesn't mean that no one makes money. But it does mean they pay less taxes. If the C suite is full of funders, you can pay them in bonuses.

https://www.charitywatch.org/nonprofit-compensation-packages-of-1-million-or-more

Maybe to keep pace with trends, and be able to put a check in that box amongst competitors

"Perfect is the enemy of good."

Bad, also, is the enemy of good...

I think maybe good walked into the wrong damn neighborhood.

Bad example. There are plenty of non-profit FOSS services that do well and serve the community.

90 a year though? That's taking the piss. Notesnook has all their features and more for 49.99 And that's on top of Proton's main fee. That's one option I won't be taking.

Yup, but only one custom domain. I really want at least two domains, one with tons of aliases for various accounts, and the other for personal communications. I could use a proton.me address for it, but then it becomes a huge pain to switch to another service should I need to.

Does that include the IMAP bridge and multiple addresses?

Yeah, it's annoying, but I honestly don't use any email clients anyway. So whether I use the Tuta or Proton app/website is essentially the same for me.

But you can export your email (select all then click "Download"), but unfortunately forwarding isn't a thing. That does put a bit of a wrinkle into my longer-term use of it, so if Proton can become price-competitive for my use-case (and no, I'm not paying $10/month for email), I'll probably switch. But since I can export them in some way, it's not a deal breaker.

The Bitwarden client has all the data cached, so the server can be down and you still get access to the passwords (same for internet connection).

I also self host vault warden, it's pretty straight forward. Like the other person said, it caches locally.

The local cache solves this problem mainly. Mine also replicates to one of my other servers occasionally.

Mine isn't currently, but I'm working on it. The main complexity is that my wife and I share some passwords, and I want to make sure I do it properly so that transition is as smooth as possible. Vaultwarden is what you'd use to self-host.

But as others have said, I'm really not worried about it. Passwords are cached locally and only touch the server when syncing to the server. I want to self-host to protect against breaches, not because I'm worried about connectivity loss.

You can always backup your passwords (there's an export feature) if you're worried about it. I haven't done it, but I imagine it wouldn't be too hard to have a KeePass backup or something that you update manually every so often.

Yup, confirmed, I am you.

The Tuta app kinda sucks, especially for searching, but I do that rarely enough that it's fine. It did annoy me a bit when I was traveling in Canada and needed to find my confirmation code for something (had to connect to their wifi, wait for emails to download, search, etc), but it got the job done. I love that I can just add another person to my plan for another €3 or whatever. I'm going to try to get my kids interested even if my wife isn't, and it's nice that I can just add a little at a time. With Proton, that would jump up to $15 for two users, $24 for my family (three kids). That's a lot more than Tuta, which is just €3/user/month, so my entire family would be €15/month ($17/month), and I don't need to get everyone on all at once (i would probably only add one or two at first).

So Tuta meets my basic needs, is priced very competitively, and the client is FOSS. I'm actually excited about some upcoming updates (looks like having the subject in the notification just landed, but hasn't hit F-Droid yet), and I love how their roadmap is very open.

That said, I do miss the UX of Proton. I just don't think that's worth more for fewer features I actually use. Hopefully that changes.

I would imagine any privacy measures cartels take are seen as overhead more than anything else

The email was more of a summary of past changes.

The actual donation of shares to the Proton Foundation was a little while ago, and anyone directly subscribed to the Proton Blog probably already saw it (myself included), so seeing it show up again as if it was new news probably just felt a bit jarring to some people.

I've been using Protonmail as my primary address for a few years now. I'm yet to have a single spam email make it to my inbox. In comparison, I use my gmail less and I've had a few blatant crypto scams make it to my inbox.

I'm not saying for certain that it's better than Gmail's, but that's my experience so far.

I've been using proton for a few months now with a yearly Mail Plus subscription and I have yet to receive an actual spam e-mail. Your experience might be different than mine since I take precautions not to invite spam in the first place, but even then, Proton looks to be doing an excellent job

Honestly I’ve not experienced any on either of them!

To be honest that's what I thought the post was about until I read this, so thanks.

Do you understand what enshittification is? It's a slow descent over a long period. You add optional, privacy-respecting AI now, and over time, (like a decade,) it becomes more shitty until eventually all your data is opted in to centralized data harvesting or wherever.

I'm an Unlimited paid Proton user, and these new trend worry me too. Enshittification is a slow process. I watched Google turn from "Do no evil" to what they are today, and I'm too tired to want to watch the same entire process happen again to Proton.

I don't think this plan supports P2P. You're still on the free plan with the VPN.

Edit: Looks like I was wrong. I remember needing to switch to a better plan to get the P2P but I guess I was wrong.

Edit 2: There is some inconsistent information on the Proton site regarding what is included in each plan and this seems to be the source of our confusion in this thread.

You upload your private key to the cloud. Encrypted or not, this is a bad idea. No thanks. I can do the signing locally and then I'll do the decryption with my own private key locally without them storing it as well.

Edit: mixed public keys with private keys

It gives credence to greed incentivizing unethical contraptions.

Immoral baskets that incentivize greed are to be avoided.