4mo ago

Hail our true supreme leader

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The most unbelievable thing about these photos are that trump could kneel like that without shattering
- I haven't actually reflected on the fact that he seems to be in a frequent state of Leaning tower of Pisa
  
  The drawing guy is merely tilted at the hips, Trump looks like two 10 year old kids where one is sitting on the other's shoulders, with his legs out in front.
  Actually that would explain a lot.
- That and his hands do not look like old man hands.
  
  They only thing they’ve ever had to wash is each other

AI has come to the point where I only have a "gut feeling" it is AI because it looks so polished and weird. But there are many other (stolen) art-styles that look completely different and I wouldn't notice if no one told me.
you cannot sniff them out anymore by just saying "look at the wretched fingers"
- you cannot sniff them out anymore by just saying "look at the wretched fingers"
  Really? Not even the totally detached hotdog on the general in the back?
  Him playing air guitar. Missing a finger on the other side
  
  I mean at a glance that could be a really awkward cigar pose but yeah, it's got some stuff wrong that a second look will reveal.
  
  Or the three armed dude on the left.
- Here are the images from Twitter, so slightly better resolution.
- The lighting is always way too good, looks like a model shoot or 3d animated movie where a team of people spent ages tweaking all the light positions and brightness.

The photo of him saluting the N. Korean general is real. We don't even need to fabricate this kind of material. If we are going to fabricate it, Trump's service should be more explicit and x-rated.
- I like the idea of fabricating it specifically to use on Twitter since Elon is being a piece of shit about it all.

Looks like AI, but at this point I wouldn't be that suprised if it was genuine.
- North Korea, you know folks say, folks say, oh North Korea, but let me tell you folks Kim is lovely, and he’s a big fan so we love him. And people are saying North Korea, folks let me tell you, let me just say, the North Korean people are lovely. Beautiful country, nobody even needs to vote folks, how nice is that

Which AI does realistic representations of real people? I’ve tried some and they can never get the likeness right. Or it seems they might get the face close, but the scene you’re trying to create wrong.
- AI isn't that magical. You get good images by continuing to feed it prompts and tweaking weights until it eventually makes something good. Lighting kinda suggests mid journey, but it could as easily be 1000 tries of stable diffusion.
  
  @RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
  Also if it's on Stable Diffusion there's 100% a LoRA for those two available. So from that point it would be harder not to get their likeness :D
  
  I’m quite familiar with AI and how the prompts work. I’ve been using a couple for years. Each one seems to have its own particular (Skill? Emphasis? Personality?) and no matter what you feed it via prompts it may not overcome whatever it is that prevents it from generating the scene you want. That may depend on what it was trained on - say for instance you want a character from Labyrinth (1986) but instead the AI keeps forcing imagery from Pan’s Labyrinth and no amount of negative or other prompts will fix it. Some are deliberately designed to avoid things like accurate likenesses (some devs don’t want their AI used for deepfakes), some emphasize an art style, and some like StableD require tons of “corralling” to get it to generate what you want - if you’re lucky.
- I asked chatGPT to draw Trump with Biden as a shark and instead of refusing it literally drew Hitler in a boat being threatened by a shark in Aviators
  
  post it
  
  Pics or it didn't happen
- https://huggingface.co/spaces/black-forest-labs/FLUX.1-dev
  FLUX is only censored for explicit imagery.
  This was a 1-shot generation with the simple prompt, "Donald Trump pledging allegiance to Vladimir Putin"
  
  Looks more like 2 lovers who found out a close friend died.
  I’ve seen my cousin look like this with their spouses at funerals.
- Look on communities for stable diffusion or flux. The latest stuff is eerily good.
  
  Oh, I’ve seen some. It’s incredible. AI art really can be scary good.
- I'm not sure. I know there are some where you can upload photos which it will use, maybe that can help? But I don't remember which ones have this option.
- That or I've found ones that won't generate art if you use prompts like Trump, Biden, Obama, etc

Even AI knows how tiny his hands really are. First picture is spot on.
- except for the made up CHINESE characters behind the north KOREAN man.
  !as an aside historically Korea Japan and Vietnam actually did use Chinese characters and still do so for various purposes (Japan the most) but nk explicitly outlawed their use for nationalism reasons !<

Yes that looks totally real and not like AI at all
- Of course not, it's a trustworthy source. They have a blue checkmark after all...
- Yeah I know! Totally real!
- You can usually tell it's AI by looking at the hands. Trump's are obviously way too large for this to be a real picture.
  
  This is literally the perfect Trump+AI joke. Kudos to you

Trump: Only I can resolve the North & South Korean war in one day
Also Trump:

The obvious clue this is AI is still in the hands. The first one has some deformed hands, and in the second Trump's hands are too big
- also the fact that just about everything looks weird
- And contextually, the guys in the background are openly amused. I would expect North Korean military guys to be more subtle.
- Trump saved by his small hands!

The AI didn't do a great job with Un. Pretty accurate with Trump.
- I was actually thinking the exact opposite. Interesting to me though, is that we both see the subtleties which makes it look like AI. I can't point it out exactly (like too many fingers or something), but it's like the contours of their faces are off? Or something uncanny, at the least. I feel like photoshop could do it better (though not nearly as fast)
  
  What jumped out to me was, in the second photo in particular, the suit Trump is wearing looks overly smooth? Just something about how it looks screams uncanny to me, which is odd cause the faces really don't.
  
  To me, in the photo on the left, Un doesn't look anything like he does in real life. The Un on the right has more features that look real, but still not good. I think the Trump in either picture could have fooled someone, but it's still just too smooth to look real.
  
  The arms in the second image are much too short. I can't unsee it, now that I've noticed.
  
  I think you need to look more closely at the fingers in the left pic.
  
  Trump's ear doesn't look like that at all. (I'm not making a shooting joke, I mean really that's not his ear. )

This means nothing. We really need to see pictures of them more naked to be sure.
- This is another source, which proves the first one
  
  Edit: I don't want to see them naked.
- Listen, I see your point, but count me out when that one gets posted…

More of this please. I mean if there are people who believed pizzagate, the same people never heard about AI pictures and would believe this, too.
- Faked photographs intended to serve as deceptive propaganda don't seem like something we should be asking for more of, no matter who the target is.
  
  I completely agree with you. But on the other hand I'm thinking: "They use fake news and fabricated bullshit to convince others to their cause. It works because in general people are dumb, so why not use the same tacric to divert the dumb voters into the right direction".
  But I'm against spreading fake news, there's already so much out there and it's getting harder every day to distinguish real from fake, even for people like me (an OSINT analyst). It's just that extremists use nasty weapons and don't care about ethics while I try to stay honest. It's like bringing a knife into a gun fight. The general public doesn't think but blindly believes anything they see and follow the person who screams the loudest "I have a sollution" without understanding those solutions do more harm then good.
  Seriously, the movie Idiocracy is a documentary, not a comedy. It's painful how realistic it is.
  
  If we're gonna suffocate under avalanches of fakes why not invite the asshats to the party too.
  
  If the target is someone who habitually lies about objective reality I approve of them receiving similar disinformation campaigns. What I don't like is that these images are obvious fakes and obsequiousness to a dictator is something Trumpanzees love. So they'll have no effect.
  
  It's helpful if it becomes their demise.
  
  Thank you. This really is just asking to pour gasoline on the fire.
  I don't think this is something that will benefit us in the long term, regardless of how funny it is right now.
- No. Because there's actual photos of Trump saluting North Korean generals, posing with Epstein, and more. By spreading fake photographs we're giving them cover to claim legitimate pictures as being faked.
  
  Can't argue against.
- Need one of Putin barebacking Trump.
- And even if they knew about the AI mistakes, like hands and such, all those Facebook people do is look at the pic, give a 👍, maybe repost or comment. They won’t see those things because they never look too closely at anything they consume.

Does M. tollerates this on Twitter? Or only when its pro Trump?
- only when it's pro Trump
  ☝

We're about five minutes past being able to believe our own eyes ever again.
- Ive been voice chatting with ChatGPT4O all afternoon. Shes actually really nice and I now trust her implicitly with all of my decisions and recipe ingredients.
  
  That's how it begins
- We’re about five minutes past being able to believe our own eyes ever again.
  /r/photoshopbattles has had a better track record for years
  AI is just bringing it to the masses

God this just made me think though, I would bet North Korea is actually using AI for even better propaganda against their citizens right now. Being so disconnected from the rest of the world and tech starved, the people probably don't know a machine could even do this.
- That's part of why things like GPUs have export controls.
  https://www.tomshardware.com/news/us-govt-speeds-up-export-restrictions-for-nvidias-gpus
  https://www.ft.com/content/f6ec6fa8-04fa-4c80-862c-f5a491ac04f8
  https://www.reuters.com/technology/nvidia-may-be-forced-shift-out-some-countries-after-new-us-export-curbs-2023-10-17/

The awkward kiss almost convinced me it was real. Almost. The kneeling photo is a bit jank and hard to believe, but the kiss being so awkward is so believable that it almost convinced me lol.

I love the irony. Is this fake? Even if it's fake, it could have happened. It would have happened. Trump wishes it had happened. Trump wouldn't know whether it actually happened, but only whether he wanted it to have happened.
- Nah, I can't see Teump getting on his knees. Not because of pride but because he probably wouldn't be able to get back up without help.
- I hear a lot of people saying, very good people, very tough people, saying that it happened. They are saying it very strongly. I don't know. They are saying it, I don't know.

The left one has all the classic symptoms of crappy AI. The right one...well, that's pretty good.

Looks shiny and "deep fried" kind of like midjourney?
One open secret in AI land is that everyone trains on everyone elses output (like this, to adopt the popular style). Even if its blatantly against the license. Who's gonna prove it?
- If the AI art can spit out art that looks like the commercial product then it was either trained on the copyrighted works or on art that was infringing. So you can tell by the existence of anything copyrighted existing in the output.
  Also, fuck copyright for being waaaay to long and abused by companies to stifle creativity.