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Just got this card as an upgrade to my 5700xt. It is so good

you know, im kinda a pc fan myself...

Most of the time, the product itself comes out of engineering just fine and then it gets torn up and/or ruined by the business side of the company. That said, sometimes people do make mistakes - in my mind, it’s more of how they’re handled by the company (oftentimes poorly). One of the products my team worked on a few years ago was one that required us to spin up our own ASIC. We spun one up (in the neighborhood of ~20-30 million dollars USD), and a few months later, found a critical flaw in it. So we spun up a second ASIC, again spending $20-30M, and when we were nearly going to release the product, we discovered a bad flaw in the new ASIC. The products worked for the most part, but of course not always, as the bug would sometimes get hit. My company did the right thing and never released the product, though.

Capitalism: "Make as much as possible as fast as possible"

I've put together 2 computers the last couple years, one Intel (12th gen, fortunately) and one AMD. Both had stability issues, and I had to mess with the BIOS settings to get them stable. I actually had to under-clock the RAM on the AMD (probably had something to do with maxing-out the RAM capacity, but I still shouldn't need to under-clock, IMO). I think I'm going to get workstation-grade components the next time I need to build a computer.

So this doesn't apply to the Intel situation, but a good lesson to learn is that the bleeding edge cuts both ways. Meaning that anyone buying the absolute latest technology, there's going to be some friction with usability at first. It should never surmount to broken hardware like the Intel CPUs, but buggy drivers for a few weeks/months is kinda normal. There's no way of knowing what's going to happen when a brand new product is going to be released. The producer must do their due diligence and test for anything catastrophic but weird things happen in the wild that no one can predict. Like I said at the top, this doesn't apply to Intel's situation because it was a catastrophic failure, but if you're ever on the bleeding edge assume eventually you're going to get cut.

Planned Obsolescence is a real problem. But Intel in this situation is just straight up incompetence.

Welcome to capitalism. Infinite growth is required, and when a market is well and truly saturated the next step is cutting more and more costs.

Incidentally, Cancer also pursues a similar strategy.

I'm still staying with my 5950X. So many cores!

Also on the 7800X3D. I think I switched at just the right time. I've been on Intel since the Athlon XP. The next buy would have been 13/14th gen.

Me who bought AMD cpu and gpu last year for my new rig cause fuck the massive mark up for marginal improvement on last gen stats.

is still on the atom n270

Also glad to picked the AMD version when ordering a new laptop yesterday.

So glad I went full AMD for my latest build.

Researchers discover potentially catastrophic exploit present in AMD chips for decades

Of all the CPU and GPU manufacturers out there, AMD is the most consistently pro-consumer with the least corporate fuckery, so I take mighty exception at your 'especially not fucking amd' comment.

Most of the shopping I've been helping people with lately has been for laptops. And while there are slightly more AMD options then before laptops are still dominated by Intel for the most part. Especially if you're trying to help someone pick something while on a tighter budget.

What's so bad about AMD? They seem a lot better than Intel imo.

Researchers discover potentially catastrophic exploit present in AMD chips for decades

They're both very flawed

Intel has not halted sales or clawed back any inventory. It will not do a recall, period. The company is not currently commenting on whether or how it might extend its warranty.

Is the issue the heat created by these high voltages? I noticed pretty quickly the 13600k was a lot hotter than I anticipated and slapped a much beefier cooler on it to bring that down.

Researchers discover potentially catastrophic exploit present in AMD chips for decades

But isn't the fix basically under clocking those CPU?

Meaning the "solution" (not even out yet) is crippling those units before the flaw cripples them?

Not out yet. But you can manually set your clocks and disable boost.

For years, Intel's compiler, math library MKL and their profiler, VTune, really only worked well with their own CPUs. There was in fact code that decreased performance if it detected a non-Intel CPU in place:

https://www.agner.org/optimize/blog/read.php?i=49&v=f

That later became part of a larger lawsuit, but since Intel is not discriminating against AMD directly, but rather against all other non-Intel CPUs, the result of the lawsuit was underwhelming. In fact, it's still a problem today:

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/302650-how-to-bypass-matlab-cripple-amd-ryzen-threadripper-cpus

https://medium.com/codex/fixing-intel-compilers-unfair-cpu-dispatcher-part-1-2-4a4a367c8919

Given that the MKL is a widely used library, people also indirectly suffer from this if they buy an AMD CPU and utilize software that links against that library.

As someone working in low-level optimization, that was/is a shitty situation. I still bought an AMD CPU after the latest fiasco a couple of weeks ago.

Honestly even with gpus now too. I was forced to team green for a few years because they were so far behind. Now though, unless you absolutely need a 4090 for some reason, you can get basically the same performance from and, for 70% of the cost

Researchers discover potentially catastrophic exploit present in AMD chips for decades

Just out of curiosity, when you say better battery performance, what kind of battery are we talking about? Is this in a laptop, a desktop on some sort of remote/ backup system?

This. Full AMD on my last build as well.

I don't care about any corp, I was looking at best bang for buck at the time. I was shocked how everyone I knew was like you should get this intel or that Nvidia, and when I asked why not <comparable performance AMD at 2/3 the price>, all I was getting back was marketing blabber.

Researchers discover potentially catastrophic exploit present in AMD chips for decades

I loved my FX cpu but I lived in a desert and the heat in the summer coming off that thing would make my room 100F or more. First machine I built a custom water loop for. Didn't help with the heat in the room, but did stop it from shutting down randomly, so I could continue to sit in the sweltering heat in my underpants and play video games until dawn. Better times.

I'm not up to speed on the discovery you linked. It appears to be a vulnerability that can't be exploited remotely? If so, how is this the same as Intel chips causing widespread system instability?

This isn't the first time such a vulnerability has been found, have you forgotten spectre/meltdown? Though this is arguably not nearly as impactful as those because it requires physical access to the machine.

Your fervour in trying to paint this as an equivalent problem to Intel's 13th and 14th gen defects, and implication that everyone else are being fanboys, is just telling on yourself mate. Normal people don't go to bat like that for massive corpos, only Kool aid drinkers.

not gonna lie u look a lot like a fanboy urself idk ur just giving off "my beloved intel looks so bad here that i can directly say its better so ill just both sides with some dumb thing" energy

Buddy, Intel ain't a woman and even if they were they'd never fellate you.

You should work for userbenchmark, if you're not already. You got what it takes, kid