It's not even that. I have zero interest in multilayer games even less so "seasonal" games. Basically all the stuff AAA says is dead I like and all the stuff they say I should like I dislike
More like asking for access to your email and keys and phone pin code, or (if people have it) their password wallet, to make sure you aren't hooking up with other guys on the side.
I love my Steamdeck so much. Been like 2 years now? still rocking every game I want to play.
Playing through ZenlessZoneZero rn which isn't even officially supported in any extent and runs flawlessly! Also it's a real computer that you can do real work on.
I bought like 200 games since I had mine though mostly indie and actually played a lot of them! I spend quite a bit of time traveling and it's awesome to play some strategy with the trackpad - the trip just flies by!
I upgraded my PC and now I barely touch my steam deck. The money spent on it is still VERY worth it. Even if I never touched it again, I use it when traveling, I would still be unbelievably satisfied with my purchase.
Have you been able to make any tweaks to the settings or something that makes the transition from gaming mode to desktop mode more reliable? I particularly have issues when I go from docked to undocked. The resolution gets borked randomly and other silliness like that
Same. I was very impressed by the games that work despite being unsupported. Heck, I’ve got Rainbow Six: Vegas working on it with gamepad support. I couldn’t even do that in Windows.
Linux is amazing for games thar don't have anti-cheat and I don't play those games. Saying that Linux gaming isn't ready is just stupid at this point. And for emulation it might be better than Windows.
It's just too bad that Riot seems so inherently against supporting Linux. I still enjoy playing ARAMs for watching YouTube on the side and the occasional Val session. Obviously for Val I can just boot over but I do play league about daily.
Inb4 "just don't play league, it's bad anyway" yeah thanks, solid solution
The good thing about Valorant is you can just play (the better) Counter Strike instead and it doesn't try to install a rootkit. I guess for LoL you could play one of the alternatives too, but I don't know if any if them are good. They aren't my thing.
Weirdly enough, the only game I tried to play that didn't run was this random Indy game. Didn't even have fancy graphics, it was one step up from macromedia flash games
The AAA games I've played are fine on Linux. Baulders Gate, No Mans Sky, Fallout 76, Cyberpunk 2077, Crusader Kings III.
Fun fact, the Steam Deck discord has subcommunities designed for indie developers to group with Deck-owning volunteers; since not all indie devs own a Steam Deck, they can take a look at preview builds and inform the devs about any particular issues.
I've been experimenting recently and while most games run fine and VRR & HDR & Multimonitor somewhat work after some experimenting & tweaks I still have problems with a few games.
Some recent examples would be Noita stuttering and running in slow motion.
Getting anything from Ubisoft running (when it does run it runs great though).
And modding is very hit & miss.
If Dual Boot with windows (especially if running Bitlocker) wasn't such a PITA I would likely use Linux as my main OS.
The "quit having fun" meme is ironically becoming as cringey as the thing it is originally complaining about.
You will help the community more by telling non-Linux people why Linux gaming is better, and this meme is doing the exact opposite of it -- "oh Linux can't play some games, yada yada. But we are still better! Switch over!" -- like what's the logic of it?
What's the purpose of this meme other than circlejerking?
Disclamer: I am a Linux user myself, started with Debian and is now using Arch Linux.
I will share some advantages I experienced in Linux gaming:
Alt-tabbing old fullscreened games won't mess with my monitor.
The compatibility of Wine when it comes to some older games is wild. SimCity 4 actually crashed less when I played it on Linux.
Better performance across the board. Granted it's just a mere 5% difference but I will take it, why not.
Linux's main selling point has become "It's not Windows". That was a boring line five years ago, but Microsoft has eagerly been trying to invent new ways to make their flagship OS worse and worse.
I have absolutely no problem gaming on Linux. I do have a problem with Rusty's Retirement not letting me use my desktop while the game runs though. Nothing I can do about that one.
I've met enough Gamers(tm) at lan parties back in the day that I know this sort of unsolicited "advice" is realistic.
edit: People are acting like this isn't realistic. I use to get comments like this because I was a Mac first gamer on my duel boot Mac Pro. Gamers are incredibility tribalistic. Just look at the "console wars" bs.
Except a lot of anti cheat now supports Linux. Destiny 2 doesn't run on Linux only because Bungie refuses to allow it, their AC supports Linux just fine now
I have a buddy who kept asking me to install windows in order to play one of those rootkit games. Had to disappoint him every time. No fucking way am I doing that. Fuck that.
Nah. It's just projection. Even though I use Linux myself, it's nearly always the other way around with the lecturer trying to tell Windows users to switch to Linux while the average gamers are just happily gaming away on what works for them.
Hell, you could take many of the comments in this post and turn them into things the guy on the left is saying while Windows gamers are having fun.
I know this won't work for everyone, but I just quit playing games that don't work or even from publishers that do shitty things and there's still plenty of games out there. There's a lot of shovelware out there, but there's also a lot of good stuff out there.
I think it's worth advocating for quitting shitty games, though.
Out of many friends I've had who (used to) frequent games like PUBG, Dota 2, League of Legends, Valorant, Overwatch, etc., most were just having a bad time, all the time. Granted, some of these work on Linux, but the point is, those of my friends that still play Overwatch ("2", lol) just seem to be happier and more functional when they have to quit for some period of time.
I've been having a much better time with my life once I went for the good old enjoyment rather than chasing rank or wins or skill, finally making time to play amazing single-player titles again or just screwing around in online games.
And curiously enough, the online games I actually want to play and have fun doing so are the ones that work on Linux, while the rest thankfully refuses!
Linux is great, everyone should use it! No, not you, we don’t have the software you want to use like windows. Why doesn’t everyone use Linux? It’s great!
If everyone used Linux it would be the exact same user base as windows.
I've switched for over a month now and did had problems with 2 games out of the 6 I tried so far (all of which were both games installed via Lutris and I found solutions to fix them both).
Funnily enough one of the games I got via Steam which did not work before in Windows now works in Linux. Further, I was running Windows 7 (yeah, I know it was a bad idea security wise), so there are AAA games whose minimum Windows version is 10 which I now can play in Linux that I couldn't before in the Windows I was using.
All in all it has been great and I have no intention whatsoever to go back to Windows.
Even if there are games that won't work in Linux, there are so many good games out there that can entertain me for hundreds of hours that I won't miss the handful I cannot get to run in Linux.
I have a couple games that were Windows 98 and Windows XP games that don’t work on Windows 10/11, but work just fine on Linux. It’s funny that Linux is sometimes better at running Windows games than Windows is.
I dunno. I'll probably get hate for this, but it's not ready. It's better. But Linux isn't a good replacement for Windows yet.
I love Linux. Love the customization, the *NIX filesystem makes sense, and it's beautiful. Also no ads in my start menu!
I want to use Linux regularly, and I tried last week. It failed. Kind of miserably.
I need to pick a distro. Mint and Pop_OS were consensus recommendations.
Try mint:
Installing dual boot alongside windows was beautiful. But no internet connection, says cable is unplugged (it's not). Realize I downloaded an earlier version (20). Get the most recent version, and problem resolved. It's kind of odd to me that even a pretty recent version wouldn't support my adapter, but whatever. I tried to update and install Nvidia drivers: update fails because dependencies were not installed. Okay.... Why not prompt me to install them? Why make me apt-get all the dependencies by hand? I don't expect handholding, but some things should be. If I NEED something as a pre-req for what I'm trying to do, queue it up!
Fuck it. Let me try Pop_OS, instead - that has some gaming chops, right? Dual boot was more challenging to stand up, but it all worked. Nice. Fire up game: get ~20 fps drop compared to windows (108 from 130) with the same settings. I don't want to troubleshoot the performance hit. It should just work. I want a tool not a project.
Never mind if you want HDR support. That seems to vary by distro. Variable refresh rate also seemed to be spotty from what I read in gaming distro recommendations. ALSO, do you need UEFI support? RIP. Enjoy toggling that on and off when you have to jump back and forth between Windows and Linux. Nvidia driver support I chalk up to those arseholes only now starting to open source some things.
And I don't care that you were able to run everything fine. You had a flawless experience: great. Love that for you. I didn't. I'm not a computer novice - I know to Google shit and how to implement it. I remember trying to fuck around with Ubuntu back in 2002.
I'm gonna continue trying to stand up Linux for everyday use because I love Linux and I want to use it, but it's pretty clear that even as someone that wants to use Linux. I've been trying to switch to Linux every few years for decades. It's still far short of being ready for average users.
This comment is tough because in its wrongness, it reveals a greater problem with Linux gaming. I think you’re right that it’s probably not ready outside of SteamOS. But it’s not correct to say it’s not ready in general. They are several distros that have all the latest features for modern gaming, the issue is you weren’t recommended even one of them. Pop_OS is currently outdated since they are working on their new desktop and mint is on the Ubuntu LTS version meaning they are both significantly behind. The community needs to take that into account when recommending things. That’s the reason I only recommend Bazzite. Cause it’s the closest to a SteamOS experience.
I appreciate your comment! I'll take a look at Bazzite. How does it do with everyday tasks? Any other distros you'd recommend?
If what I said was so wrong, I feel even more like there's a fragmentation issue with Linux (or something). This is especially true if some of the most well known distros have issues with gaming. It only fuels my urge to make a table of features for each distro and then evaluate pros and cons of what distro has what. But distro choice shouldn't matter outside of UI, pre-installed programs, and maybe package management.
I was just super bummed that I didn't have one of the perfect experiences that I had seen so many people talking about lately.
Maybe, but as someone who spent a summer school breaks worth of time in 2002 getting drivers for a Nvidia GeForce 2 card to run under Mandrake (oh the kernel panics...) to play counter-strike 1.X on wine... It's come a long fucking way.
I use Debian for everyday work and on my private machine nowadays and struggle with the shitty experience of windows when helping someone out now and then. Granted, I don't have much time for games these days, and often fire up the PS for that, but I feel experience can vary as long as you know what you want and manage expectations.
Add Steamtinkerlaunch to your steam proton list with protonup‐qt
Then, select it under the force compatibility menu.
From there, just click the run vortex mod manager button.
You can also run steamtinkerlaunch standalone, which is what I did for cyberpunk2077, but I feel like I did more manual file moving than I had to.
To be fair there still is a lot of tinkering involved to get gaming on Linux working properly (unless you're on the steamdeck, but even them you'll have to tinker for anything that's not verified). Switching proton runners, changing launch options, fighting updates. It's definitely more than most people are willing to deal with. For me personally, I've had to stop updating my video drivers because Nvidia 555 causes all Proton games to crash for me.
I enjoy the experience of tinkering and troubleshooting, so I'm okay with all that, but I completely understand why most people wouldn't want to use Linux for gaming.
I honestly cant remember the last time I bought a game and it didnt just work with no tinkering on proton. Though I am on AMD not Nvidia which makes things a lot easier.
I guess this could also be based on the distro you use as well as your graphics card. For me, I use EndeavourOS, which is very close to base arch, so I had to do some extra setup to get proton working on it. For some reason, Proton refused to work on the Arch repo's Steam package, so I had to use the flatpak version instead
Ive had a handfull of games that work on steam deck but had to tinker on my laptop. Cyberpunk would crash on the first splash screen and stormworks would only run on my igpu and not dedicated. But also im also using nvidia.
I'm on Mint with a nvidia card, I haven't really had to do any tweaks since I stopped trying to install games on an NTFS-formatted drive and nearly every game works perfectly out of the box. There's a lot of very loud voices complaining about nvidia/tinkering but it's definitely not universal; you won't necessarily need to put in a lot of effort to get games to work on Linux.
I made the same statement you did a while ago about having to tweak stuff to get it to work. I just don't have the time and patience to do it, and I got voted down for saying Linux isn't for me. I work tech, the last thing I want to do when I get home is mess with more settings and drivers etc.
The Linux and steamdeck forums EVERYWHERE constantly make apologies and excuses for having to tweak things to get gaming to work.
I just want Linux to be an out of the box great gaming experience, and I would sing to the rafters it's praise. It just isn't, and unless developers make their stuff work for 3-5% of an install base, I just don't see it happening. I want it to, I really do, but it's just not for the masses.
Linux isn't for the masses because it was never meant to be and still isn't made to be. You have to install it rather then it being installed by default and most Linux software targets power users who were disappointed by Windows.
Yup. I know exactly what you mean. I bought Nobody Wants to Die, which is rated platinum on protondb, and it just crashes within 1 second of startup for me. 3h of fucking around with proton versions, launch arguments, even tried lutris, nothing. The only error I could see took me to a stackoverflow thread about vga to dvi adapter issues and the fix was not relevant. My protontricks is apparently also broken which I have no idea why or when it broke.
I got it refunded, it is what it is. I'll look into fixing my protontricks when I have more time...
Funnily enough, I've had almost this exact same thing happen... On Windows. More than once. Spending days getting it to run hardly at all and weeks trying to figure out how to make it run well. On modern hardware, with both old and new games alike.
I've not had that much trouble yet with Linux gaming, with only a few exceptions where I needed to tweak a couple things stuff has pretty much just worked.
Maybe if you used VR Chat all the time, but there's vfio for those cases, if needed. I just learned about it from another user, and so there's really no need to keep Windows as your primary boot partition or even have a dual boot setup.
My Quest 2 has been running VR fine. ALVR's latest update made me finally nuke my Windows partition I kept for VR.
Other than Angry Birds VR needing to have the recenter button hit after it's first launched, so far it's been fine for HL: Alyx, Beat Saber, Budget Cuts, and a few others I've tried. Literally the only workaround quirk I've found so far.
It's a dumb reason to get banned from an instance. I don't see anything wrong with making an observation other programmers have already made. Thanks for the warning though.
So I'm missing out on Destiny, PUBG, CoD, Siege, Battlefield, and Lost Ark... Yeah I'm totally okay with that personally. There are thousands of other games I'd rather be playing and they all work great.
Mfing world of goo 2 offers an appimage file instead of a flatpack, so I have to monkey around with the console or lutris to get it to work on steamdeck.
I just want to play my puzzle game, not puzzle how to play my game.
Ah well
I don't think anybody ever told someone else not to use Linux when they are already using and enjoying it. This argument is often used as a defense against switching to Linux. And of course, if you just want to play your games without messing with all the bottles and Proton versions, Windows is still the way to go, especially for older games.
As a challenge I tried getting several older games to work on Steam Deck, and while it was fun for me, I like tinkering, I can totally see how it can be a huge hassle for others.
I'm quite sad as a VR and HDR gamer because I really do want to switch. I have a steam deck, it works great for flatscreen gaming, but general HDR support across the linux ecosystem is apparently lacking and my headset manufacturer told me that they don't support linux and couldn't until the VR ecosystem they rely on supports it
What e-sports have kernel level anti-cheat? Isn't it just the crap published by Riot? I know both CS and Dota 2 work on Linux, I'm pretty sure you can get Overwatch 2 running. You can't exactly play Smash on a Windows PC either, but I think the other major fighting games like Tekken and Street Fighter work. Are there any other serious contenders for a major esport I'm just forgetting?
Anti cheat preventing gaming on Linux is honestly an outlier at this stage. It just means the devs don't want to deal with working with an additional OS which several other devs and valve itself has shown is not a major issue anymore. Both EAC and BattleEye have had linux userspace clients for years, and both support WINE now.
Also because they probably can't convince linux users to install a kernel level anti cheat as if that isn't rootkit spyware lol. Akmod and dkms devs would probably laugh if Riot tried such a thing.
I'm just waiting for better VR support (formerly WMR, now Quest 3), and my system (Thinkpad T15G) is Intel/Nvidia, occasionally with an Nvidia eGPU, and I've heard good support for that just isn't ready yet. Linux would be great if I had a budget to build something entirely optimized for Linux, but right now it's just not right for my system and budget.
I plan on trying it out again soon, but I just don't have time for a new learning curve right now, even if I'm fairly tech savvy.
I remember seeing someone in a comments section say why bother use linux for gaming bro got destroyed by the replies lol
he also called linux users ekittens 💀
And you can run it on a used postage stamp! (Something, something Arch)
I remember playing Doom under DOS and being mesmerized by the game. And I still am to this very day. I morn the day I discovered my original Doom .WADs went missing.
Made the switch this weekend :) From Win 11 to Mint 22. Haven't run into any real issues really. I have the occasional screen tear on some videos in firefox though. Haven't searched around enough yet to figure that out, but otherwise all good.
Is that a per-app thing that can be done in Mint? Pretty much only get tearing in firefox when playing video, and I tried the 'layers.acceleration.force-enabled true' setting in about:config for firefox, but that didn't really make a difference.
Welcome to Linux. I run mint and had screen tearing issues as well. Turns out mint detected my monitor correctly, but it had the wrong refresh rate. Once I set that to the correct refresh rate, my screen tearing was fixed. So I suggest checking that.
I'm thinking its either nvidia on linux being nvidia on linux, or it not liking mixed resolutions and refresh rates. But really the only noticeable tearing I get is in firefox when playing video like youtube or something.
Anticheat will have to just come from other methods that people will also hate.
Imagine, for example, if they required a form of government issued ID and the account was tied to you specifically. Despite privacy nightmare that it is (plus other issues, especially around globally accessed games), bans would have significantly larger impact if they're tied to a real-world identity.
I can get some old ass terminal based JRPG and Sims 3 which can barely run on windows working using bottles but I can't get the linux version of Hearts of Iron IV to recognize dlc wtf is this
I haven't played HOI4 on Linux yet, but I've played other PDX games. They have just worked for me. I don't know if you're doing something different, but I just install the DLCs and they are instantly recognized.
Oh yeah. For me, it's a Match-3 game that I stopped playing specifically because it didn't support Linux. Too bad it's also the best release from the franchise imo (The Treasures of Montezuma 4).
Years ago I bought a ps4 controller to play in my Linux pc, but the games didn't recognize the controller input, I had to use some program to map the keyboard to the controllers but it didn't work well, so I installed steam and with it ir worked perfectly. Because work and college I had to stop gaming for a couple of years, and I tried again some weeks ago with Lutris, to my surprise that the controller got recognized and worked perfectly without the need for steam.
Wow, that's more stable than it was on my Windows machine. It crashed, like, 6ish times during my playthrough but this was immediately on release, so it might have gotten better since then.
I have been playing through Elden Ring again with a friend using the seamless co-op mod and my friend on Windows gets (what we assume is) shader compilation stutter in every new area while my game has been smooth as butter.
I used to kinda complain about this but being unable to play lol or lostark has greatly improved my life. I don't mind being unable to play these games.
I am very grateful for proton and all of the technologies that allow me to play majority of my games. linux gaming in 2015 was painful.
You can mod things on Linux, it's just slightly more of a pain because you have to usually manually place files in the right locations, since the mod managers are kinda hit or miss on Linux.
That being said, I was recently able to mod Minecraft and Valheim pretty extensively with mod managers (I forget which one for Minecraft, but I used r2modman for Valheim which worked great), and I got the Mass Effect: Legendary Edition mod manager working enough via wine that I could mod that too.
If you run the game under wine, you should be able to run the mods under the same wine prefix. For example I run Battletech on steam and also run the BTA 3062 mod package and it works fine.
I'm thinking about getting a handheld and putting Chimera or Bazzite on it. It's gonna replace my main gaming PC (so it needs to support egpu) once it bites it.
I switched over my steam and epic games to my Linux install and there’s plenty of games I can’t play because of the anti-cheat or other issues. Can’t install my EA games at all.
Still made the switch and hoping things will catch up as time goes on.
I am slowly chugging through the weird issues I have with trying to use Bazzite as my primary OS, but it will replace my Windows install soon, I can feel it. I still miss HDR, but my newest and most inconvenient issue is that Firefox just keeps crashing as soon as it launches now. No luck fixing it so far, and I installed Edge just to have a working browser.
If you really want to have a go of it you should either buy well supported hardware next time you buy or even better buy hardware that actually comes with Linux by an OEM that has already done the research and selection and then don't run a kernel older than your hardware. Stick with boring well supported stuff neither bleeding edge nor ancient.
It's great that you can at this point pick hardware out of a hat and have a lot of it supported by Linux but it doesn't mean you should buy hardware this way if you want to have a good experience.
Good thing I have no interest in playing online with randos (or with anyone else at all, really) or paying through the nose for AAA games full of bugs, then!
If it’s not open source then it’s an advertisement not an esport
If someone goes to host a tournament and they can’t choose the patch or modify it then it’s not an even playing field between organizers. Think like 2 people go to host on consecutive weekends and there’s a patch between them now the person who hosted first has an unfair advantage in game quality as the players know how to play it
Also if the studio/publisher is hosting an event it’s just an advertisement
What? So if a sports federation changes the rules all independently organized events are disadvantaged? By that logic the Olympics are just an advertisement for the sports not a competition, as the federation usually don't change rules 6 months prior.
Nope, the leagues are allowed to have different rules
Sports are open source, for instance not every football competition has to use blue cards or a competition made a patch to use blue cards…depending how you want to view it