How paranoid are you?

Librewolf, but I'd argue it's more of a Firefox/web debloater reason. No pocket, no VPN ads. I would have said that the only issue is that it is a pain to update, but they added a windows updater and software repos, so I would almost recommend it over stock firefox for normies.
And I use tor to search stuff that contains sensitive data like my location... Or when a website is blocked
- This is the argument I keep using for why people should use Linux more. The fact you have to run updater software for each piece of software is so stupid. It's a horrible solution to a poorly designed problem. On Linux I just tell my package manager to update everything and it takes care of it all. There's no need for the user to be handling all of that, and it also shouldn't have to update in starting the application because that's when the user wants to use it, not wait for an update.
  (For reference: it's the same thing as on your phone where it tells you the number of things that need updated and you just tell it to update whenever you feel like it.)
  
  That's a great point, but Linux Mint hasn't a repo for Librewolf in a long time, meaning it was only available through Flatpak. It's not a big issue, but it does break keepassxc, and is a pain considering the drama Debian got over it
  
  Windows has had winget for a while now. While not as good as Linux version, I think it’s fine enough for those who must still use Windows for their gaming. 🤔
- it is a pain to update, but they added a windows updater
  the linux package manager in question
  
  I mean an updater on the windows (the os). Sadly forced to use windows at work, but at least I got my Librewolf.
  
  it's not in the arch repos 💀
- Chocolatey ftw. I was already eyeing it when I jumped to LW so I did the setup for choc and now I have most of my software being managed through it. It's not perfect but on a schedule, it's as set-and-forget as it can be for Windows.
  I guess with the exception of using the MS Store, but ew.
  
  Was using scoop as I prefer it's contained aspect. However, now I 'm on Linux, and my work blocked the repo's so...
- And as a more advanced user, I need nightly (for custom compiled addons), and just configured everything relevant to be as close to LibreWolf as possible/good for privacy.
  
  Fair enough. But can't be assed to switch every little thing, and keep track of the new ones (like the ad tracker in 128)
- VPN ads? Not sure I've ever gotten such a thing. Been using Firefox daily for several years
  
  You know that tab that opens sometimes when you update Firefox? The welcome to Firefox or what's new, whatever it is? If I remember correctly, there are sometimes ads for mozilla vpn on that tab. But you, like me, might just close that tab without ever looking at its contents
- You can get the same effect with Floorp. I mean it technically still has Pocket built in but it's 1 click to completely disable rather than all the hoops you have to go through in normal Firefox.

Tor Browser serves a different purpose/use-case to the first two. The first two are intended for everyday browsing while I've never heard of anyone using Tor Browser as their daily browser—and if you log into websites then using Tor Browser as your daily driver would defeat the anonymity purposes if you're logging in anyway.
I use librewolf for everyday browsing and Tor Browser for things requiring a higher threat model.
- It actually feels selfish to use Tor as a daily driver.
  
  I assume that by "selfish" you mean taking up bandwidth from the Tor network, which is a valid concern. But using it as a daily driver for low-bandwidth tasks like reading text (and maybe a few compressed pictures here and there) is actually be beneficial to the Tor network, as it increases the size of the crowd, thereby making everyone more anonymous.

[Richard Stallman] usually does not browse the web directly from his personal computer. Instead, he uses GNU Womb's grab-url-from-mail utility, an email-based proxy which downloads the webpage content and then emails it to the user.
If you're not doing this you're not properly paranoid.

Edge: naked with an ad tattooed on the back
- Tattooed on the lower back to be more specific
  
  This lumbar presented by T-Mobile—We got your back!*

NetCat. /s
Seriously though, I just use Firefox. LibreWolf is basically Firefox with stricter defaults, and over the years I've already tweaked Firefox to use all the privacy features anyway.
I know there's some extra sauce implemented in LibreWolf that Firefox lacks, but that stuff seems like too much of a compromise for me (like canvas fingerprinting).
Plus, I think orange looks nicer in my window list than blue.
I also don't use tor or a vpn unless I can't access anything otherwise. I guess I don't really see the need to, since I don't think I'm doing anything that'll draw the government's attention.
- You can turn off canvas fingerprinting or any added feature with a single checkbox. I used to feel the same way about LibreWolf, but once I familiarized myself with the different settings, it became clearly the superior option if you value privacy. I also set my Firefox settings strictly, but then they added new “features” and turned them on by default. That was the last straw for me.
- I started moving from Firefox to LibreWolf and found a few too many convenient features broke.
  I think password and bookmark syncing was too difficult to move away from, as I use them across devices/phone.
  Haven't had time to research alternative methods or practices.
  
  you can enable firefox sync from the librewolf settings. that’s what i do and it works flawlessly
  
  Use QR codes
- Firefox may silently opt you into "features" such as targeted advertising. Librewolf acts as a barrier.
  Also "nothing to hide" is fine if you have nothing to say and you don't care about liberty.

schizofox "Hardened Firefox flake for the delusional and the schizophrenics."
- is this what terry davis used
- I was going to say that librewolf has no declarative extension config on nix, but this does. Neat.
- Arkenfox if anything

I exclusively browse with cURL and manually parse HTML myself the old fashioned way
- Why parse the HTML manually when sed is a standard utility and you can use it to parse it with regex?
  
  Ooh, it's my turn to link this beauty.
  https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags

I migrated from firefox to librewolf AND Tor this week. Help.
- I saw a post earlier this week where Firefox was adding an AI to the browser? That'd make me migrate to libre wolf or water fox.
  
  yea their weird choices of late made me realize that the focus was shifted to money-making and not privacy. So I jumped the ship

Firefox. Librewolf's defaults make it very inconvenient to use as a normal, day to day web browser. You can obviously change all of that but at that point you might as well just use Firefox with a handful of add-ons so that's what I'm doing.
- I just changed my browsing habits. Frankly I've also realized having the internet be less convenient has made me more mentally healthy
  
  My issue isn't that it's breaking sites. It's the fingerprint resistance making the basic user experience unpleasant. Refusing to remember window size, forcing light mode, etc. I understand why, but those aren't sacrifices I'm willing to make.
- The only librewolf default I find inconvenient is no persistent cookies. I just disable deleting cookies when I close the browser and the other defaults ive not touched. Other than some Firefox defaults I don't like the behaviour of, but none of the librewolf-specific defaults.
- Try Floorp.
  It is Firefox based and with additional features. I find it easier to use than the default Librewolf
  
  It has its own problems. Check the licensing

I'm considering switching to LibreWolf after all the AI crap Mozilla is adding
- Statistical analysis of a large data set is a sin, after all.
  
  No it isn't. Making it opt-out by default is.
- Librewolf is great. I just add exceptions for a handful of sites I want to retain sessions for and it is very usable as a daily driver
  
  except on twitch, maybe it's just me but i need to restart my browser pretty consistently when watching vods
  
  Or even better, use a different site

Librewolf is just a usable Firefox
- Firefox is a completely usable Firefox.
  
  If you dont care about Ad search engines, Studies, Pocket, Google Safebrowsing, search suggestions, a start page with ads, weak privacy settings, all cookies saved forever, no adblocking, a unique canvas fingerprint, a user agent containing your Linux Distro,...
  I went through the arkenfox user.js and literally all of it minus 20 or so settings just make sense. The rest are kinda overkill, but really, Firefox is horrible out of the box.
  It is really modular luckily

Tor Browser is this kid wearing many layers of different masks and hoodies, and changing them randomly whenever the mood strikes.

I have five browsers and couple vpns and some extras that I have mix matched to create sort of tier system depending on how legal is the activity I partake in.
Most illegal though you have to physically relocate to some unprotected hotspot by car
- Is that why you are posting it here?
  
  This isn’t the reason I am posting it here

Librewolf enables fingerprinting preventation which makes some websites / fields very laggy. I can disable it but what's the point of using Librewolf then? Also using FF is not paranoid, it is the only free software I installed that sticked with my family. Tor has a wholly different purpose.
- Also using FF is not paranoid
  Yes that's what the meme is saying.

I don't know what Floorp makes me...
- Picture one but in a Japanese/anime style. Wait a second
- Based and customizationpilled
- Floorp is the best option simply by name alone. I love floorping for information.

does using chrome make you naked or something?
unless it's just equivalent to firefox, which i doubt.
- Internet explorer makes you naked for sure.
  Chrome maybe in swim trunks at a shopping mall. Everyone (advertisers etc) can see you and you're weirdly exposed.
  
  this one makes sense, i like this one.
  And dont forget the the sunglasses either. Every chrome users wears a pair of sunglasses inside for sure.
  
  I'd trust IE a lot more than I'd trust chrome.
- It certainly will after it kills Manifest v2 entirely soon. goodbye good version of ublock
  
  TRUE
- I use Microsoft Edge (parental controls and uBlock). That that made me whatever is beyond naked? Like one of those clear dummies in a health class that shows organs?
  
  nah, i think probably just, transparent, like visually see-through.

Librewolf
- That's what she said

Regular firefox and tweaked
- Aw yeah, I also love browsing the internet on meth!

Lynx
- Telnet directly to web server and manually type all the GET/POST requests yourself. Then read raw HTML.

Firefox with Tor for specific stuff

Mullvad Browser.

Anime: Watashi ni tenshi ga maiorita

Mull browser is decent too
- For Android...
  Librewolf on the desktop with Mull for mobile
- So is Mullvad browser as well
  
  Sorry I meant mullvad browser, not Mull.
  Mull is for Android. Thanks for correction :)

I would use LibreWolf IF it had cloud sync, since that's a feature I actively use with regular Firefox.
edit: I tried LibreWolf and Waterfox. I copied over my Firefox profile to LibreWolf and Waterfox. LibreWolf works with all of my addons and even Firefox Sync and everything else, I had to disable "Enable ResistFingerprinting" to fix login on a couple sites and also had to prevent it from deleting cookies and site data when LibreWolf is closed but now it works perfectly for me, same as Firefox works perfectly for me. Waterfox has tons of issues with my addons like with uMatrix enabled it straight up just refuses to load any pages, also in general loading all pages is quite a bit slower, and one of my mail addons also has some weird corruption error message - Waterfox is unusable for me. I think LibreWolf is a great fit for me so I think I will most likely use that if I can be bothered, or maybe I will stick with Firefox, who knows, we'll see I guess. Still though, LibreWolf seems great.
- Cloud sync is not for the paranoid
  
  Unless said cloud is self hosted at home.
- it does
  
  Oh well looks like I should look into that then lol thanks!

Librewolf for normal stuff, Tor for stuff I don't even want linked to my IP.
- Jokes on you, cause a lot of alphabet organizations set up entry and exit nodes on Tor so you're being tracked regardless.
  
  Most of my Tor activity is on onionsites, so that's okay.
  Also, even given spooky nodes, the chances of getting a spooky entry and exit node are slim. Still, given the possibility, it is advisable to do spicy clearnet activities away from home with a MAC randomizer as insurance in case you win the world's worst roulette game.

I have modified Firefox. Might as well be Librewolf.
- I was the same which was why I just switched to librewolf. Cut the work out for me.
- Until Mozilla opts you into something

Raw HTTP using openssl s_client -connect hostname:443

What is it when one fires up 30 selenium instances using the Firefox webdriver, all loading random sites and clicking links, then route all personal traffic through tor?
- Normal?

Hardened Firefox paranoid
- Librewolf

Clearly 🐺. Been on it like, 3y+? Maybe longer, it's been my primary for a long time. 🦊 as a backup, and for DRM stuff. Chrome/Chromium for shit that just doesn't play well with 🦎. Edge (for windows) is my 'I need to test this with a vanilla browser' and cba to disable ublock etc from chrome incognito.
Iceraven, with backup Vanadium, on mobile.
- For mobile, I'd recommend Mull instead of Iceraven
  Pros:
  Just like Iceraven, a fork of Fenix
  incorporates the arkenfox user.js
  Doesn't have "No warranties or guarantees of security or updates or even stability!" in its project description
  Cons:
  APKs are only on FDroid
  awful name, no animal reference
  awful logo color scheme imo - magenta on turquoise is... an interesting choice
  Here's a probably somewhat biased but from quickly skimming over it not inaccurate browser comparison by the developer(s) of Mull:
  https://divestos.org/pages/browsers
  Also based GrapheneOS user
  
  I've tried Mull and went back, but I can't remember why. Iceraven is 'fine' but seems a touch buggy for some builds. I used to use Fennec for a long time, but I think IR allows installing 'unofficial' add-ons that haven't been vetted or whatever by Mozilla for mobile. But I'll have a look see, maybe my issue with Mull has been resolved.
- DRM isn't for people who care about privacy, freedom or security
  
  Yeah yeah but I want to play games newer than the turn of the century, watch Netflix and prime videos now and then, and I can't be asked to amass thousands of songs, so here we are.

Well, I use them all. It depends on the services I access and the threats that affect them (and therefore me). Firefox for studying and sites that use WebGL; Librewolf for everyday browsing. Oh yeah, and there's Tor.

I am slowly moving to waterfox :3
- It isn't bad

I use Librewolf and TBB. Both have NoScript enabled and JS turned off by default. I never turn on JS on TBB obviously, and for the few sites that I frequent on Librewolf, I tweaked it by hand. It's not that hard.
I will look to also use Mullvad browser alongside Librewolf maybe, not sure which one of them is more private since Mullvad browser comes straight from the TOR project and has their security settings.
- I'm using Mullvad browser for over a year on Linux and I can recommend. It's basically TBB without TOR
- Librewolf also has Tor security settings

uhhhhhh betterfox

I am using Edge on both Android and Desktop
- Then you're practically naked
  
  And bald
  
  Worse, they're scoped down both ends while inside a live streaming MRI machine.
  
  at least they are using a chromium derivative over chrome
- We see you touching yourself like an animal.
- Yes, we know. 👀

Vacuum-gapped video relay in the wilderness.

Icecat: hoodie, eye patch, mask, a baseball cap, and an umbrella

Where is IceWeasel on this scale?
- Probably before Firefox, since you'd be broadcasting your user agent as the specific person who is using it

Librewolf. I yearn for something better for ios. I'm sticking woth firefox because all my tabs & shit are synced.
- There isn't going to be something better because of the locked down proprietary ecosystem. You might as well use Safari
  
  I go back & forth.

What anime is that?
- The character is Miyako Hoshino, the protagonist of Wataten! An Angel Flew Down to Me (Watashi ni Tenshi ga Maiorita!), a yuri romcom about a college student falling in love with an elementary schooler, written by a guy
  Yes, lesbian pedophile is a subgenre now, and it's mediocre as fuck at best
  
  Oh well. Now I wish I didn't ask.
- https://myanimelist.net/anime/37993/Watashi_ni_Tenshi_ga_Maiorita

I recommend the arkenfox/user.js repo and wiki .

I'm forced to use Brave or else my potato has a heart attack -- what am I?

LibreWolf as daily driver and whenever I need a little extra privacy I use Tor or even tails

ubuntu font!!!

Librewolf is better than Tor in some ways. Tor has ads
- Tor browser has ads? I've never seen them lol
- Gotta weigh in the benefits of privacy/features vs anonymity for your needs.
  
  That's why I said "some ways"
- I rarely have a reason to use Tor and the ads always shock me when I do. I find it weird that most people are experiencing the internet with oldschool ads in their normal day-to-day browsing.
- Honestly, there are probably enough people using ublock with tor browser that you can still retain most of the benefits if you do the same. You'll just be in a smaller cohort than if you didn't.

I'm not paranoid. I'm Brave
- They lost my trust when they altered clicked URLs to add their own referral links. Making the links you click on actually go exactly where they say is like the most basic thing browsers should be expected to do.
- Hahahahahahaha.
  From the maker of Palantir (facial recognition software used by nearly every police force in north america).
  Funder of JD Vance,
  and a good friend of putin.
  Peter Thiel.
  
  I don't care who created it. I like the product, and I'll be using it even if it was created by literal Hitler

Contains anime, bad post

Fuck firefox. Are you sheep just going to ignore all the shit they put you through, and didn't even explain themselves?
Firefox is a shitshow, I don't care "how good they are now". If you don't remember how bad they treated you circa 2012, then fuck off groupie wanker.
Firefox is where they are for a good reason, they cannot be trusted. Only wankers keep promoting them.
- You hold a grudge for 12 years? Did they kick your dog or something?
  
  Did they kick your dog or something?
  I chuckled at this because I pictured John Mozilla in a black suit about to kick his dog.
- If you don't see how bad Chromium browsers are treating you circa right now then I don't know what to say.
- So you want us to use what, Chrome or some Chrome clone? There isn't a lot of options. That's why Librewolf exists