Trump proposed bombing Mexico and it somehow wasn’t a big story

The thing about Trump's whole political career that I find most incredible is that just about any one shitty thing he ever did, in isolation, would have been absolutely career ending for anyone else, or in the very least a massive, historically significant scandal. But with him? He just keeps the hits coming, so many disasters in such quick succession that none of them really have time to sink in, there's no time to really examine them because by the time you've really called him out, there's already some other stupid shit taking up the headlines.
Obama wore a tan suit, the News cycle freaked out. Obama asked for Dijon mustard on his burger, the news says he's hopelessly out of touch with the common people. These were SCANDALS in the public eye. Trump proposes just bombing Mexico... we have to go out of our way to point out that this is actually a big deal, because next week he'll have done something else completely insane.
- It's partially that he does it so often and partially that many of the claims are so outlandish that no one takes them seriously. Like saying he'll bomb Mexico. On the one hand, "he says lots of shit" and on the other "Ok, he won't REALLY bomb Mexico. He's just saying that. Someone will stop him from bombing Mexico. "
  
  And partially that education is pretty bad in red states so when Trump says stupid shit there's a lot of people dumber than him thinking "this guy knows what he's talking about." He's the idiots idea of a genius because he's the first politician dumb enough for them to understand.
  
  The same reason that he can say insane shit and get away with it is the same reason that there's nothing he can really say that undermines Kamala's candidacy.
- The media gatekeepers responsible for applying consequences through fatal stories aren't doing it to Trump because they have a vested interest in making sure politics doesn't become boring again.

Trump saying something extremely irresponsible and stupid isn't newsworthy anymore.
- It should be. What purpose would this serve? No concern for life or process. It speaks directly to how Trump sees those he considers less than him. If he were president again, how long until he threatens to bomb an American state passing laws he doesn't like?
  It's all fine and dandy when it's brown people, but what about working class people protesting for unions and workers rights? What about women standing united for the right to bodily autonomy? When the lgbtq community throws bricks again for getting arrested for existing in public? When women's suffrage is in question and people start taking hammers to windows and chaining themselves to railings?
  Every single thing he says should be considered prelude to the worst impulses of an unhinged and irresponsible mad man with more power than most people on earth could possibly dream of.
  
  Agreed. Trump, the personality, should not be "newsworthy" anymore. Trump, the character in our shit-stirring forecasting, shouldn't be "newsworthy" anymore.
  Trump said a crazy thing that threatens millions of people and everyone needs to know what a threat he is? That's absolutely is still newsworthy.
  Quit speculating on whether Trump is joking, if Trump believes what he says, if he'll be nicer, or whatever other tea leaves that the media keeps claiming to be able to read. Just report on what the greatest individual immediate threat to this country is saying and doing.
- Don-Old Trump also suggested drinking bleach to cure Covid and using nuclear bombs to stop hurricanes.
  He’s so irresponsibly weird— and also clinically insane
- This is because everyone knows he's a stupid and irresponsible old man.
- I’d like to think that if he actually ordered the military to bomb Mexico, the upper echelon would realize this would be a war crime and they’d be tried at the next Nuremberg if they followed such an order, which might result in someone who isn’t an angsty 20 year old kid, but maybe someone who actually knows how to use a rifle, decide to be a true patriot who swore to stop threats both foreign and domestic.
  
  That started off sounding like you were saying "someone will refuse orders and not bomb Mexico" and ended up sounding like you were saying "someone should turn their weapons against the man telling them to bomb Mexico"

I remember debating with my buddy (he's pro-Russia) about the Ruso-Ukrainian war when it broke out, and my saying how Russia invading Ukraine because of Nazi gangs is a pretty flim flam excuse for a land grab. "It would be like the US invading Mexico and seizing territory because of the drug cartels", I said. Why is my country this way.
- Why is my country this way.
  Wars are traditionally pitched as "defensive" from their native soil. Vietnam was justified by the Gulf of Tonkin incident. WW2 was justified by Pearl Harbor. Iraq and Afghanistan were justified by 9/11. Or Benghazi was for Libya. Etc, etc. Now Trump is arguing that cartel violence on the border justifies invading Mexico. Only a matter of time before they can point to a Missing White Woman or a drug bust or shoot out that can be used to justify moving troops over the border.
  Russia isn't any less immune to this logic, and the War in the Donbas was as hot an issue to capitalize on as anything Americans experienced with Panama in the 80s or Cuba in the 60s.
  Same with China and Taiwan. Or the civil wars in Sudan and Ethiopia. This isn't in any way a uniquely American problem.
- Pretty cringe that you know someone who parrots Russian govt talking points though
  
  Every ML and hexbear
  
  I guess. He's an Anarchocapitalist on every other day of the week. I just enjoy arguing amicably with people, and he does too, so our friendship works.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews
  A reason why some German Jews supported Hitler was that they thought that his anti-Semitism was only for "stirring up the masses".
  
  One of the biggest complaints about Democrat presidents is that they don't follow through on their promises. It says a lot when your biggest defense of Trump is that he won't either.
  
  Pandering? Yes. Actually going to do it if allowed? Also yes.
  
  Sweet Summer child alert!
  
  They both "happened" in so far as you can point to events that justify what came next.
  Trump can easily point to border violence that he can use to justify an invasion in the same way Putin used the civil war in the Donbas to justify invading Ukraine.
  These aren't True/False statements, they're events used as justification for invasion. Claiming there's no violence on the border of Texas and Mexico is maybe a step shy of claiming 9/11 or Pearl Harbor were inside jobs. What's at issue isn't "Did this happen?" but "Is launching a twenty year long bloodbath a prudent response?"

How sad is it that I learned about Trump's plan to bomb Mexico not from American news media, but from alarmed Mexican friends.
- Mexico is our second largest trading partner. Both Canada and Mexico are our closest allies. They provided aid to the US after 9/11 and Hurricanes Katrina and Harvey.
  I'm not worried that this would start a war. I'm worried it would cause permanent tension between two friends.
  
  Both Canada and Mexico are our closest allies. They provided aid to the US after 9/11 and Hurricanes Katrina and Harvey.
  And yet, Trump routinely shits on both countries and his cultists just blindly fall in line.
  I'm worried it would cause permanent tension between two friends.
  Don't worry, my American friend, we have already developed quite a bit of distrust in your country since 2016, and it's not likely to be repaired signifigantly until we see if y'all are willing to collectively and loudly reject trumpism and its related bullshit.
  
  I’m worried it would cause permanent tension between two friends.
  Significant tension with our Mexican neighbors is exactly what Trump, Desantis and other weirdo's rhetoric is causing. They're just trying gin up more hatred from their bizarre, poorly educated, toxic supporters and they don't get a fuck about anyone else.
  Each time some GOP idiot talks about invading or bombing Mexico the news spreads like wildfire in Mexico while American news media ignores it almost completely. I repeatedly hear about bullshit the GOP freaks are spouting from my Mexican friends instead of reading about it in our own mainstream media.

So that's the plan, Mexico is going to be Trump's Poland.
- Trumps Lebanon.
  https://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/lebanon/Isrlb997-02.htm
- What do you mean? Would it be the most subsidized country in the american region?
  
  Clearly history is not your strong suit, but you might look into something that happened in Poland back in 1939.

Republicans in 2028:
"We can't have an election during a war! The election is suspended until the war with Mexico* is over."
*-technically the war is with Mexican cartels, not the Mexican government, so as long as we say at least 1 cartel still exists the war isn't over.
- War on Terror 2: Mariachi Madness
- They'll pull a Reagan and start buying drugs from the cartels.

So how come nobody is talking about it?
Indeed, Vox news. How come, indeed.

Trump is an idiot but I've always wondered why the u.s and mexico don't join up and use the same force on cartels that they do on middle Eastern militants. If they went after cartels the way they do jihadists across the planet, there wouldn't be cartels left
- What are you talking about bub?
  The approach the USA has taken to declare war on
  <insert anything>
  has been an abysmal failure. I am pretty sure every single campaign of war on x has ended with x being now even more prominent than before.
  
  Sure but the I'm not expecting the u.s to change. I'm just saying why go across the planet to fight criminals instead of the ones on your continent, but I know the answer is oil. They fucked to my country for nothing but a foothold in the region, at least go fuck some cartel people
- Just like there are not jihadists left... oh wait.
  
  It's easier to fight a gang than an ideology. It would work out better I think
- Create a problem and claim yourself to be the best solution. "Drugs are bad. Give us more power to combat it!"
  Point the finger at 5 immigrants every day and ask the power over 300 million people to fix it.
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking_allegations
  
  Fucking Reid Thompson!
- The Mexican politicians don’t want their families brutally tortured and killed.
- We've lent Mexico military assistance before. The issue is that the cartels spring from a fundamental lack of control and governance in the areas in question, which means that foreign military means simply can't fix the problem. At best, it can suppress open symptoms for a few years.
- The truth is we're winning against the cartels the same way we should have fought Al Qaeda, in the shadows. And by actually helping Mexico become less corrupt and more functional.
  Sending the 101st in may be cathartic but it's not the right move. If things go badly then we can always default to a military occupation. But it really shouldn't be our first option. Or our second, or our tenth.
- Notice how all the Middle East militants are gone after 20 years of American occupation? That's why we don't do that.
  Tinfoil hat time: Also, significant forces on both sides of the border have a motive to keep the cartels running. Cartels spread money and influence around in politics, and they are black hole than has been used in the past to launder money and do other illegal shit for politicians. Not to mention, a (policy) restrictive border makes their business running drugs and people across the line more profitable and in-demand. Worst thing for the cartels would be open borders and an end to the war on drugs.
  
  Militants like the Taliban?
  
  That's not why the u.s won't do it. I'm not saying it works but Americans aren't gonna stop just picking a new target every decade or two, may as well go for cartels
- They have to get far enough away from the western journalists so their massive volume of atrocities isn’t in the public consciousness.
- The oligarchy profits off the drug trade. They also profit off the wars. If it's happening, it's being ALLOWED to happen, by the oligarchy, because it benefits them.
- Question : what/who stopped him? How?
- because this is not a planet made only for you and yours fucking imperialist
  
  Funny, your likely white, colonialist ass saying that to a native person.

It's quite amazing how the right adapted anti-war talking points, while they themselves are also warhawks.
- All about that projection

- Good bot.

bart.jpg: What a weird thing to say.

“Media source stunned by the utter lack of balance and journalistic ethics in reporting on the US Presidential campaign because clicks matter more than facts when it comes to profits, are shocked to find nobody else has done the right thing either”.
Ok, so now that they realize it what will they do?

Trump asked for plans to invade Mexico:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/donald-trump-mexico-military-cartels-war-on-drugs-1234705804/

Anyone got a link to video or audio of this?
- Here's the best I could find- Trump's former Defense Secretary Mark Esper claimed in his book "A Sacred Oath" that Trump raised the idea of launching missiles into Mexico to combat drug cartels and proposed doing it covertly to avoid blame. Trump, when asked about this, did not deny the claim but instead chose to say "No comment" - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-esper-bomb-mexico-drug-labs-deny-b2074547.html
  
  Trump's former Defense Secretary Mark Esper claimed in his book...
  Once again these ghouls say nothing at the time and wait until they have a book to sell you.

If he bomb mexico, I believe mexico will flood US market with cheap meth and fentanyl as answer even more.
- If Mexico puts sanctions on the US to limit taco seasoning in response, I'm going to be quite put out against the felon. If you deny us our tacos and tamales there's going to hell to pay. I want a taco truck on every corner and anything that gets in the way of that dream is not cool.
  
  Avocado tax..
- I think you're trolling by stating something that's already happening, but people thought you meant it ironically and up voted you.
  
  Imagine it even more..

Probably because this is the tenth time he's said that.

I swear to God I think he got this idea from Ben Shapiro's moronic ass book.
- I don't believe he reads books.
  
  I don't think you could qualify that thing as a book.