Stolen imagery
Stolen imagery
Stolen imagery
okay. I've only seen stills of blue guy on a plate. How does this have any resemblance to the last supper? Is it just that there's people at a long table? The more images I find the more concerned I am that christians have not seen a picture of the last supper.
I was hoping to find a video of the performance, since maybe it gave off more Last Supper vibes than a still photo. But I'll be damned, there's not a video of it anywhere. Just lots of videos of people complaining about it.
Have a look at this post: https://jlai.lu/post/9004279
Screenshots with timing to show the 2 moments people are confusing
Without the blue guy it did look a lot more like The Last Supper, though I didn't really notice it when watching
it is funny how christians by and large do not follow the biblical holiday but totally do the cool pagan ones.
They only care about it when they can be angry and righteous about it. Don't give them oxygen !
Which one is the biblical holiday?
both. there are like half a dozen mentioned in the bible as special sabbaths and the sabbath is technically a weekly holiday
The ones In. The Bible
What, that's not common knowledge?
Btw, christmas was stolen from Yule. And some stories in the old testament are from Gilgamesh and Atrahasis Epos, like Mose' abandonement in a reed basket as an example.
Literally all beings and concepts in christianity have a pagan origin. Even ancient YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah/Tetragrammaton (God) goes probably back to El.
But i guess that's natural, concepts like an underworld are in above epics too, those sorts of stories developed over civilizations.
For sure, the ancient Israelites had a pantheon of gods, just like the Greeks. I mean, their monotheism developed out their own version paganism, of which Yahweh was but one of their gods. Specifically, the god of the storms that occurred in southern palestinian. He had a wife, multiple kids and a giant oversized novelty penis. Along with his god sized cock, he would often be represented as a bull, as a man with horns or a golden calf.
Why yes, theexact kind of golden calf the Israelites started to worship when moses when up mount sinai to get the 10 commandments. Its specifically the exact reason they did it and not that they just decided to worship some random cow, despite having seen a bag full of miracles and monstrous amounts of child murder from their actual god first hand.
Yup, the calf was most likely a regular part of the northern Israel's worship, but not of the southern Judah's. Since most of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) is written from a Judean perspective (which makes sense; it survived longer), it treats it as blasphemous, when in reality, to them, it wasn't.
Like 4/5 of the Bible isn't common knowledge to most Christians. To say nothing of the actual history of Christianity.
What, that’s not common knowledge?
To the American Christians throwing a fit about this? No, they have no idea.
Btw, i googled ancient epics because i thought there was one more with similiar name to Atrahasis' but my god, i know most of the names from Anime.
You would think it was common knowledge, especially given the fact that Hades is in the Bible but it's not. They want to believe that they are the one true religion and do all sorts of mental gymnastics to keep their religion pure.
These are the same people that get mad when they uear Beethoven's Ode to Joy because he doesn't use the lyrics from the Christian hymn that stole his melody.
The same christians who got offended by this would also complain about muslims being prudish when they get pissy about showing their prophet.
For accuracy sake, yes the depiction in the Olympics was meant to be Feast of the Gods, but that painting came after The Last Supper and is thought to be directly inspired by da Vinci. Last Supper - 1495 Feast of the Gods - 1635-1640
Linking Wikipedia. The primaries appear to be in French 😅 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Festin_des_Dieux
People are talking about two different moments, 40 minutes from each other: https://jlai.lu/post/9004279
Sorry for the French, but the screens and minutes are there.
Don't forget the people that are mad at this also get mad then they hear Beethoven's Ode to Joy performed or translated because the lyrics aren't the same as the Christian hymn that plagiarized his melody. They also get mad when they hear Greensleeves performed because those lyrics don't line up with the Christian hymn that uses the same melody either.
This makes much more sene than Last Supper. Got a source on it actually suppised to be reannacment of this painting?
Not doubting you because I have eyes but some people migh be blinded by their christian goggles.
Got a source on it actually suppised to be reannacment of this painting?
The DJ in the center posted about it: https://jlai.lu/post/9004279
Also the post has screenshots about the two different moments, 40 minutes from each other.
I think there are a large number of valid reasons to be confused by this image that do not have to do with Christianity.
Like, how do I get a job like that?
You start by making a number one hit song that is absolutely funny. You continue by making performance art. Then you combine both !
Apparently any time people are in a row on one end of a long table, it's automatically a Last Supper reference.
It was literally a runway. Not sure how else they should have done it lol
FYI, for all of those shitting on Christians for "not being educated" and upvoting this, the last supper was painted in 1498, the feast of the gods was painted in 1635. Lol
The last supper has been painted many times. At least 1000 years before Leonardo's version.
The festival of Dionysus occurred 500 years before Jesus with depictions much older than the last supper.
edit: ppl gettin' mad over their sky wizard...
Maybe that's the case, you don't really back it up. But I'm just going off the paintings called out by Christians and the people claiming what it was actually inspired by.
But even if you're right, it doesn't change the fact that the OP and creator of this meme, and everyone thinking it makes a good point, are all guilty of the same ignorance they are laughing at someone else for having.
Its sad. Just full blast showing global problems with history education
As someone raised as a Mor[m]on, their response would be: the pantheons of pagan gods are just corruptions of the Gospel taught to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Thankfully, Joe Smith (not a couch banger, just a plain old pedophiliac serial rapist like any other good Christian leader) restored (made up) the lost parts of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
hums dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
According to some ex-mormon lady on YouTube, one of her non-Mormon friends would quote/sing that at her when she would tell him about the beliefs of Mormonism, while they were in highschool. She didn't catch what he was saying until after she left the church and saw that episode.
We can get more gnostic. We can go deeper. Actually, Adam and Eve are the corruptions of a still more authentic Gospel that's been occluded from us.
☐ Ambient Occlusion
☒ Biblical Occlusion
At Last, Supper! Gah, I've been so hungry.
This meme is just confused. The Feast of the Gods motif would be familiar to da Vinci and whether it was deliberately referenced or perhaps just a visual convention of how to portray a feast, and who influenced who are questions best asked to an art historian specialized on the time period. But ultimately it doesn't really matter - da Vinci's The Last Supper is one of the most iconic images in history and it's not strange that people watching makes the connection, I certainly did even if I also got the reference to Les Festin des Dieux. Of course the idea that the ceremony mocks Jesus or whatever is a hysterical reaction, but that's American evangelicals for you.
Connecting this to christian adaptation of Pagan holidays and motifs, however, is farfetched and ahistorical. The Last Supper is a painting, Leonardo is not the christian church. Leonardo was active during the high renaissance, a time when the ideas and imagery of (mostly pagan) Antiquity was reintroduced into christian europe. References to pagan rome and greece was à la mode in art.
Connecting this to christian adaptation of Pagan holidays and motifs, however, is farfetched and ahistorical.
a time when the ideas and imagery of (mostly pagan) Antiquity was reintroduced into christian europe
It's not like the Christian appropriation of non-christian things just ended sometime before the high renaissance. I'd argue it's ongoing. And even if Leonardo did not appropriate, the Christians now reacting with fury to the depiction of "their" last supper are appropriating.
It's not like the Christian appropriation of non-christian things just ended sometime before the high renaissance.
By that time, there were next to zero pagans left in western europe to appropriate from. The appropriation of pagan holidays and themes was mostly motivated by easing the conversion to christianity, so yes, it wasn't really a thing after the conversion was complete. Local traditions and syncretism (saint worship etc) living on was mostly discouraged by the church so there is no appropriation argument to be made there either really.(The rest of the world is another issue; we're talking pagan here, which specifically refers to european polytheistic traditions.)
I'd argue it's ongoing.
Well, go ahead and argue. Isn't the tendency of modern evangelicals rather to be scared out of their minds by any suggestion of heathendom, basically equating it to satanism? Jehovahs Witnesses for instance does not celebrate christmas for this very reason?
And even if Leonardo did not appropriate, the Christians now reacting with fury to the depiction of "their" last supper are appropriating.
Jan van Bijlert who painted Les Festin des Dieux was a christian.. His depiction of Roman gods and entities are probably as accurate as The lion at Gripsholm Castle is to a real lion. And again, at the time there were no Roman Pagans alive to appropriate from, just as there are none today. You make no sense.
Nah, we know what was stolen and where from. This is accurate and just one example of how they take and distort from other religions and beliefs. Look at Christmas. They couldn't get the pagan out of the people so they subverted it.
That... That's what OP is saying...
It's really not, but please do explain your line of reasoning.
You'd almost think this was a meme community and not concerned with things like historical accuracy in favor of amusing people, wouldn't you?
That's a pretty poor excuse since the meme makes a statement presented as factual that falls apart upon scrutiny. Without this connection, the meme is nothing.
Secondly, the meme isn't actually funny, it just validates the previously held beliefs of this community. There is no joke, just a poorly argued "gotcha". Validation feels good, but it's not actually humor even if the two is often confused.
Fine. The meme isn't accurate to reality. What's the meme trying to say then? Isn't it only funny because "haha dumb Christians"? Doesn't ignoring the actual facts lump us just as much in the ignorant group?
If it's just a funny meme, and its accuracy isn't what matters, then fine. But also, fine to the guy who is correcting the facts. They're either both cool or neither cool.
If you're making fun of people for not knowing history, it would be a good idea to not expose your own ignorance of history while doing so. It's like screaming "look how much I'm like the people I hate!"
I don’t think it counts as stealing- syncretism is present in virtually every faith that has contact with another faith, modern and ancient.
Christianity stole eating from the pagans.
Really wish they'd stop for 90-120 days
the abandoment is sorta wierd though. so xmass and easter but no celebration of the feast of booths or passover
Yahweh was actually the old god of the harvest and wine I believe. Before the Jewish Pantheon shrunk to one god only. So Yahweh was similar to Dionysus at one point. There are still remnants and mentions of the other gods in the old testament, like Yahweh's wife Ashira and Baal who I think was an underworld god. Also funny that in the old testament, god talks about other gods as if they're real but weak or bad, doesn't deny they exist.
I recall Yahweh being described as a storm god, but gods often wear many hats. Storms can affect harvests a great deal.
I saw that Yahweh could be a smith/fire god and became the most powerful deity because of the importance of the copper in the era.
Yahweh was a storm/raiding god fairly similar to, and later competing with and overtaking, Ba'al in the same domain but from the northwest (IIRC) semitic pantheon. The YouTube channel Esoterica has some great vids about it.
I remember a theory that Dionysus is the Christian god in disguise.
There's also a theory about Loki being the same.
I don't remember the details but these theories make more sense to me than the actual religions
To me it's crazy that the Aztecs had a trickster god of mischief who would shape shift into a Fox. And across the planet we have Loki.
Many old religions were essentially created by mathematical scholars in the past who had similar ideas about shapes and symbolism. Some may disagree, but that's what I think anyway.
It’s really too bad Paul went in for Apolline Douchiness rather than Dionysian partying.
I have the weirdest urge to start a fight with the blue dude and I dont know why.
I don't know if the French guy is up for it, but I bet you could find some crazy libertarian who takes way too much colloidal silver if you want...
For those who are unfamiliar, that's not makeup or Photoshop. That's what happens when you rely on alternative "medicine."
Don't fuck with Supply Side Papa Smurf.
And there's me mishearing it as diogenes and thinking some bowls were going to get broken and some chickens were going to get grabbed.
I thought it was a well planned Papa Smurf..../s
I agree, but you used a censored picture.
As if those so-called "foot-washing Christians" had anything better to do. 😒
I still don't know what is going on in this picture. Can someone explain? I know this is some type of an opening ceremony and conservative christians were upset by it.
the god of blood & wine, who died and was reborn, and often shown with pinecone imagery is celebrated on the winter solstice for the harvest of wine, and then again with the coming of spring for the end of winter harvest. Lots of dicks, flowers, fruit, baskets, bread, young unmarried women, etc.
While it sounds like it could be, it is not Jesus. not Christmas. not Easter. Not the last supper. Many christians assumed so I guess and got mad. Plus omg people being promiscuous? in ancient greece/rome? GASP. Because we all know jesus killed adulterers and prostitutes....
Anyways, it was for the greek god Dionysus, with the celebration Dionysia. or Bacchus and the celebration Bacchanalia if you're roman.
Man. Who could've guessed the french would like the god of wine & would want to honor that.
Wow, thanks.
Does anyone have a video link? I can't find it anywhere.
But I do not like this scene either.
It was all based on divine shapes and tapestries etched by early mathematicians to represent what they thought were powerful concepts, especially "moral" ones, that they thought could shape people's behaviour.
People like Pythagoras could go insane worshipping these shapes, even though they had useful mathematical properties that could predict things about what the real world was like. They weren't totally stupid, and maths without technology wasn't extra hard.
Scholars like Jesus would go around spreading ideas about how perfect the triangle was. It contained three simple connected points that were very similar. Specifically, it had a C3 rotation in mathematical group theory. If you spin it by 120 degrees, it's the same afterwards. It contained three equally important geometric points that could never be transformed or "manipulated" so you could easily tell them apart. This was His Trinity.
Shapes like this are actually very important and have special properties in quantum dynamics nowadays, so their beliefs still hold a lot of power in many very logical people and how they think the world works based on science.
There were also more complicated systems popular in the past, too, that built up other forms of mathematics. Astrology was a good example too. They actually had very complicated systems for predicting lots of things based on measurements of time. If the data you had generally fit what usually happened (at least most of the time), you could be quite confident in those beliefs without being totally moronic.
I actually think some of these more mathematical beliefs may see a resurgence in the near future as proper quantum technologies are developed. People could fear them as they disrupt beliefs about technology, even those that only know a limited subset of modern physical laws (like Newton's laws, which are very accurate, but not universally "true" by modern scientific standards).
Most people don't realise how much technology is about to change. It's already happening and it's scary.
I legitimately cannot tell if this is a shitpost or sincere crazy ramblings. Well done either way 👏
Ramblings, it's like the geometry version of numerology or idealism. You'll notice both groups will reference quantum scale science like qed or qft but never actually use any equations that describe events in reality to back up their claims because they don't want to have to appeal to reality for their delusional beliefs.
It's a logically plausible idea that I and many others before me invented to explain certain things in a way that tries to be internally, logically consistent in any way it can be. An Orb is a very versatile type of "magic" computer technology that may advance the world in the future but can also exist in any well-studied scholar's mind alone.
https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=bAIbvlobWDM
TIL Terrence Howard is on the fediverse
I only believe in the Orb shape described by mathematical fractals and quantum mechanics.