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'Welcome to EV dongle town': the future of EV charging for non-Tesla owners may not be as bad as it looks.

www.theverge.com The future of EV charging for non-Tesla owners may not be as bad as it looks

A guide for what comes next for non-Tesla EV owners.

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‘Welcome to EV dongle town’

www.theverge.com /23797527/ev-charging-ccs-nacs-tesla-adapter-guide

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He still parks like a jackass
- I want to be very clear: this is not my car. An Audi E-tron parked across multiple spots in order to access a Tesla Supercharger.
  
  Lol no worries, friend. I assumed it was a staged photo for the article. Still thought it was amusing. :)
- Yeah Tesla really needs to get longer cables at their charging stations if they want to be the standard, I know the V4 chargers will have a bit longer cables but they haven't really rolled those out. The current chargers are like the bare minimum length and only if you put it on the far edge of the car be it the rear drivers or like something on the hood.
  
  Now that said the lead photo was obviously maximum jackass, but you see further down a car has to park in the "wrong" spot to reach the charger since it is on the passenger side inside of drivers side.
  
  Every inch is a lot of wasted power, but agreed they need a solution for that.
  
  People keep taking about this as if the solution is difficult or that it will require some massive undertaking to replace existing chargers.
  
  EV adoption is still currently in the single digit %. The number of fast chargers will need to grow at the same rate as ev adoption (more actually to avoid congestion).
  
  Even if they don't replace a single existing charger today with longer cables or NACS plugs, the number of new chargers built to the new standard will soon outnumber today's existing chargers 10:1 at minimum.
It can't be worse than driving a Model S or X in the UK. Dongle for CCS2 and the driver being on the wrong side, forced to use The Reacher.
With NACS becoming more and more universal, and soon to be a true standard, will we also see fast charging of other devices like e-bikes and lawn tools using the standard?
- Feels too bulky and complicated for an e-bike or handheld lawn tools, riding lawn mower though... maybe?
  
  If the AC to DC conversion is done inside the device then a kettle plug seems like enough to effectively max out a standard outlet. If it's being done outside of the device I guess it depends on the wattage they can pull, USB-C could do 240W... idk if there is another standard that can carry ~1KW of DC power.
Just have some copper wires with you.
I guess the US is just okay with Tesla having a monopoly on EVs?

What is stopping Elon Musk having a fallout with an another car company in the future, pulling the licensing deal for the charging port and stopping their ability to produce cars?

Are all other cars in the US doomed to be 2nd tier? Why would Tesla share improvements to charging rate when it could use new versions of the charging system to sell Teslas?

How is it okay for there to be one price for electricity for Tesla owners and a higher price for non-Tesla owners?
- The SAE is standardising the plug to minimise the chance of that happening. As garbage of a human Musk is, the Tesla / NACS plug is a much better design than the other standards.

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