Hopefully Apple is only the beginning

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The EU Cyber Resilience Act will effectively make open-source software illegal, and that sure as hell isn't pro-consumer. Neither is all the spooky surveillance and crippled cryptography they keep trying to mandate.
- Yeah, it's always very two sided with the EU. On the one hand it brings forward a lot of progressive and positive change, on the other hand it's used to "quietly" walk around the local political climate. Political actors push unpopular things on the EU level, but as soon as people catch wind of it, they market themselves as always having disagreed with them. They often keep pushing for it anyway, because people really don't notice things on the EU level. Everybody only ever pays attention to the national sphere of politics.
  In German politics it's often the case that high-ranking national politicians that "fail" in the public eye are pushed higher up into the EU level. Take Ursula von der Leyen for example. Too many scandals in Germany, immediately pushed out of the way and now holds an important position in the EU.
- How exactly is open source illegal?
  I mean.. lol
  How are they even gonna enforce that?
  
  Probably the same way they'll enforce their upcoming ban on encryption (yes really).
  Fines, gigantic fines since people seem to love those.
- Really? According to this site they claim that "The Cyber Resilience Act should only apply to free open-source software that is developed or supplied in the course of commercial activity." While that could be a broad scope, I don't think it applies to most FOSS. Linux is really the big thing I see it applying to and Linux is very Cyber secure, so I don't really see issues there.
  Are there other parts of the law that ban FOSS? Or is that site too pro EU and glosses over the bad parts?
  
  According to this site they claim that “The Cyber Resilience Act should only apply to free open-source software that is developed or supplied in the course of commercial activity.”
  Almost all FOSS development happens as part of a commercial activity.
  The most obvious example is of course corporate sponsorship of FOSS projects, but even things like pull requests submitted to FOSS libraries by corporate employees qualify as “develop[ment] in the course of commercial activity”.
  Linux is really the big thing I see it applying to and Linux is very Cyber secure, so I don’t really see issues there.
  Linux does not and cannot comply with the demands of the Cyber Resilience Act. For example, the Act demands automatic update installation, which within a kernel is infeasible and unsafe. Linux will be illegal in the EU.
  Furthermore, no company in its right mind is going to sponsor, or allow its employees to contribute to, any FOSS project if doing so creates the risk of fines. All corporate sponsorship of and contribution to FOSS projects—which, once again, is responsible for almost all FOSS development—will completely and instantly disappear in the EU, severely damaging the worldwide FOSS movement.
  Needless to say, this proposal is catastrophically bad.

Now if only they did the same antitrust they did with Microsoft back in the day but targeting Google.
- ... or targeting Microsoft again too
  
  Both is good.

Things like the new right to repair laws will hit everyone.
Most Android phone manufacturers have been sealing in their batteries as well, and Android is 2/3 of the European phone market.

How is it that billion dollar tech companies haven't infiltrated the EU leadership yet?
- The "EU leadership" changes every few years, through something called democracy.
  You cant just pay off 1 person
  
  Sure, but that explains nothing.
  
  It doesn't really change, the same people are voted over and over and over like in most democracies. To some extend the EU is even antidemocratic, since people don't really have a saying in who's the president.

I’m hearing mixed things on how impacted Apple will be re:batteries, since they already sell replacement kits to the users. It sounds like they may just need to make them available to all member states? Not sure if anyone has actual insight beyond reading a headline.
- You need to be able to Open the phone without tools to swap the battery with the new law
  
  You need to be able to open it with commercially available tools or ones provided by the manufacturer. This isn't to bring back swappable batteries, only replaceable ones.
  
  So we all end up with fatter phones that aren’t waterproof like we had in 2006?
  
  I would like my phone to stay somewhat water proof. This will make that very difficult.

What, other than profit, is stopping big companies like this from stopping support in the EU if most of their sales are in the US? Would the redevelopment be worth it?

It was close to never happen again, i guess
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/07/19/scott-morton-an-american-economist-withdraws-from-running-for-a-key-eu-post-after-controve

Don't forget that the EU is controlled by people who know NOTHING about technology. Case in point: the cookies.
- You mean the GDPR, the amazing piece of legislation that allows any user to see all the tracking websites do and even allows the user to limit said tracking, just by deselecting some toggle switches?
  Incidentally, it's mostly people who know NOTHING about technology who keep complaining that it's sooo hard to click a button.
  
  Besides this: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/10/tech/eu-us-data-sharing-deal/index.html
  Overwhelming people with information doesn't work, never worked. Do you think the majority of people in Europe care about accepting all the consents that come up when they open a web page? Incidentally they don't come up when they open the web through their phone application, which is what majority of people browse.
  The EU legislators don't know tech, and don't understand people. I am pro-eu like most of my countrymen but it's absurd not to critize some of their choices, even if they have good intentions.
- Yeah but atleast they are trying

Fuck the EU and forcing me to have a removable battery. It's fucking stupid. USB C was cool though.
For real fuck them the ass with a hot rod. I do not want your shitty shitty removable batteries.
- I mean I see what are you doing with your comments.... But still what on earth could you possible have against removable batteries?
  
  A removable battery bullied him as a kid
  
  I'm waiting to see how this shakes out. I think all products should be self-serviceable and parts, tools, and documentation should be readily available.
  What bothers me about the EU legislation is that it's worded in a way that implies someone like my mom (who can barely USE an iPhone, let alone service one) should be able to replace her own batteries. That will very likely result in product designs that are bulkier, heavier, more fragile, and less resistant to the environment (water, dust, etc)... e.g. snap-in batteries. That is not a future I want.
  I have no problem opening a phone, tablet, or laptop and replacing the battery now... you just need the right tools and a little technical competency. The only thing I want is for companies to be prohibited from throwing up artificial barriers to self-service, like invalidating my warranty, disabling OS features or activating nags, or withholding parts, specs, or information.
  
  "Because everyone is happy with that, so I'll say nay and that will make me automatically edgy and cool and girls will fling their pussy at me and maybe daddy will come back home"
  
  Fatter phones. It takes 15 minutes to replace the current batteries.

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