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Trump Cryptically Declares, ‘You Won’t Have to Vote Anymore’ If He Wins Second Term

www.mediaite.com Trump Cryptically Declares, ‘You Won’t Have to Vote Anymore’ If He Wins Second Term

Former President Donald Trump urged members of a crowd in Florida to vote and said that if he wins, they "won't have to vote anymore."

Former President Donald Trump urged members of a crowd in Florida to vote and said that if he wins, they “won’t have to vote anymore.”

Speaking at a Turning Point Action event in West Palm Beach on Friday, Trump, who tried to overturn the 2020 election he lost, delivered a cryptic message.

“And again, Christians, get out and vote!” he said to a cheering audience. “Just this time. You won’t have to do it anymore. Four more years. You know what? It’ll be fixed! It’ll be fine! You won’t have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians. I love you, Christians! I’m a Christian. I love you. Get out. You gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don’t have to vote again.”

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What the fuck is supposed to be cryptic about this? He's making it perfectly clear that he wants to overthrow democracy in the US. And everybody who votes for him is OK with that.
- People asked the question before. It went something like:
  "You do realize that he'll be a dictator, right?"
  " We don't care. He'll be our dictator and that's all that matters."
  And then they'll say they do it for freedom and democracy.
  
  Or the more common answer:
  "He misspoke and the media is taking out of context."
  Even though he has said it thirty different ways and this just happens to line up with the narrative.
  
  There's another angle to the dictator thing-
  A lot of people essentially think the president already is a dictator. That's why even people on the left say things like, "why doesn't Biden raise the minimum wage?!" when that requires an act of congress.
  
  Those fuckers should be deported to some authoritarian shithole with Sharia law like Iran so they can appreciate what they're throwing away because they're terrified of "the gays".
  
  "We want our dictator for... what are the good words again?"
  "You mean freedom and democracy?"
  "Yeah, whatever, for those!"
- Many don’t think he can pull it off, which is the scary part that might let him do it.
  “Oh, that’s all talk. He can say what he wants but can’t do shit without the House and Congress, and if he wanted to change things to get more terms? With states majority agreement that’s required? Not in his lifetime. You worry for nothing, PassingThrough, it’s all showmanship, as it always has been. And no, the Army wouldn’t help such an obvious fool overthrow the government either.”
  
  It's crazy.
  "Oh, your drunk uncle Mike who has three arson convictions, thinks you turned the family against him, and is in your attached garage with gas and a lighter threatening to burn it down? Don't worry about him, he's harmless!"
- Trump said it in a way that he could have meant that you won’t have to vote for him again. He kept saying “vote for me now and in 4 years you won’t have to vote again”. I’m sure if you made this criticism to Trump’s face he would act like you’re being unreasonable and pretend that of course he meant that he can only do 1 more 4 year term. Trump’s supporters would respond similarly. But that’s why it’s called a dog whistle, the message gets to the people he wants it to while it forces his detractors to debate what’s going on inside Trump’s head.
- Also anyone who doesn’t go vote because of edgelord reasons or laziness is guilty. If the US becomes Russia v2.0, we’ll all die in WW3 guaranteed.
- I’m guessing it’s cryptic because he can just say that he meant “for me” and not “in general.”
- "In four years, you don’t have to vote again."
  Yikes.

Your country is insane.
In any other democratic nation in the world, a politician saying this would be finished.
I hope for the sake of humanity that all the sane people in the US go out and tells everyone they know that cares about democracy and the rule of law what Trump is planning to do, especially in the swing states.
- Our country is full of proudly ignorant bootlickers
  Turns out all you need to do is make up some bullshit about "American dreams" and "bootstraps," make them believe they too can (and probably already should!) be a billionaire, and the one thing stopping that are those goddamn Marxist Democrats and their "progressive taxation," and "social safety nets for the blacks (please ignore the fact that I'm on disability, it's different)".
  Republicans have been sabotaging our country's own public education system for 25+ years at this point. Selling the future prosperity of our nation down the river for a voter-base with cult-like devotion, and a unique ability to ignore objective reality.
  Unfortunately for the planet, it seems to have been wildly successful.
  The next step is to do away with democracy altogether.
  
  It’s been the Koch brothers and the John Birch Society’s dream (amongst others) to propagandize so many people of the “American Dream” and evils of anything other than capitalism. They were ecstatic when the Tea Party movement worked out for them, but they lost control of it with Trump. It’s a monster of their own making.
  
  Exactly - I started noticing prideful ignorance in the early 2010s. People around me made bad choices and would not be corrected. Their ignorance was just as valid as someone else's actual knowledge. That's when, strengthened by their own baseless pride, their shame disappeared. I'm not saying shame is good, but when it's the only thing keeping the deplorables in check, maybe a little of it helps.
  It used to be that I'm general, horrible people realised they were horrible and at least went through the motions of being decent. They were like cockroaches scurrying for the shadows when you turned on the light. Now they're like a cat peeing on your bed - they pause long enough to lock eyes with you, then continue peeing.
  Speaking optimistically, at least now we know exactly who they are.
  
  Turns out all you need to do is make up some bullshit about “American dreams” and “bootstraps,” make them believe they too can (and probably already should!) be a billionaire, and the one thing stopping that are those goddamn Marxist Democrats and their “progressive taxation,” and “social safety nets for the blacks (please ignore the fact that I’m on disability, it’s different)”.
  Well, to generalize your statement a bit, I've had a conflict with people who thought that the only thing preventing them from living in socialist heaven were jerks like me talking about human rights, market economy, transparency, accountability, governments actually changing, putting thieves in jail and getting activists out of jail, legalization of various substances, any consensual sexual activity, privacy, freedom of speech, competitive judicial system, culture of protest, yadda-yadda once a few years ...
  They sincerely thought all this prevented life in my country from being good, while themselves being thieving ignorant intriguing insecure shits was normal. You know, the kind of people who contribute clearly negatively to the society, but think life is unjust to them, they should live better and somebody has stolen everything from them.
  
  The GOP have been selling these people hope and magic since Reagan. It’s no longer about hard work for republicans, now all they have to do is destroy cities and kick out everyone they don’t like, and we will return to the magic that never existed in the 1950’s.
- I hate to break it to you, but it's not just our country.
  
  It may be the most successful example of indoctrination of parts of the populace of a supposedly developed nation by the ruling class though.
  
  Right, Russia is fucked too
  
  This is lemmy, the goal is always to shit on America.
- in any other democratic nation, he would have been finished in 2015, when the "grab'em by the pussy" tape came out
  but no, it's 2024 and we STILL have to waste time arguing about drag queens and library books
  
  To this day, I will never know how it didn’t end the moment he made fun of that photographer who had the deformity on his arm.
- In any other democratic nation in the world, a politician saying this would be finished.
  Unfortunately not anymore, no. Bolsonaro (luckily voted out) and Orban and the Polish potato (also luckily voted out) have been spouting similar bullshit for 10+ years. Also, Erdoğan talks bullshit like that.
  All of them a little less incoherent than the fat orange turd, but still, they say this kind of bullshit.
- The craziest part is that, even with the absolute insanity this election has already been (and it will absolutely get worse), I'm seriously worried there's going to be a worse turnout than 2020. 30% of voters are holding the country hostage, but another 30+% still can't be bothered to get out and do the most basic thing they can do to fix it. It's absurd. The nutjobs in the US are dragging the country to the gallows, but apathetic voters are tying the noose.
  
  I'm seriously worried there's going to be a worse turnout than 2020.
  2020 had the highest voter turnout in any US election. Donald Trump got more votes in 2020 (more than 74 million) than any other Presidential candidate, winner or loser, in history.... except for Joe Biden in 2020, who got 81 million.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election
- It's especially weird because he's a Republican. Traditionally they're the party more sensitive to controversies like that, and older conservative folks I used to know would squirm if they saw the tapes or statements.
  But honestly Trump just drowns everything out. Most people don't, and never will, know the controversies because there are simply too many to keep up with.
  
  Gingrich has been married three times. In 1962, he wed Jacqueline May "Jackie" Battley (February 21, 1936 – August 7, 2013), his former high school geometry teacher, when he was 19 years old and she was 26.
  Throughout his congressional campaign in 1974, Gingrich was having an affair with a young volunteer. An aide who worked with Gingrich throughout the 1970s stated that "it was common knowledge that Newt was involved with other women during his marriage to Jackie."
  In the spring of 1980, he filed for divorce from Jackie after beginning an affair with Marianne Ginther.
  In September 1980, according to friends who knew them both, Newt visited Jackie in the hospital the day after she had undergone surgery to treat her uterine cancer; once there, Newt began talking about the terms of their divorce, at which point Jackie threw him out of the room.
  Although Newt's presidential campaign staff continued to insist in 2011 that Jackie had requested the divorce, court documents from Carroll County, Georgia, indicated that she had in fact asked a judge to block the process, stating that although "she has adequate and ample grounds for divorce ... she does not desire one at this time [and] does not admit that this marriage is irretrievably broken."
  According to L. H. Carter, Gingrich's campaign treasurer, Gingrich said of Jackie: "She's not young enough or pretty enough to be the wife of the President. And besides, she has cancer."
  Following the divorce, Jackie had to raise money from friends in her congregation to help her and the children make ends meet; she later filed a petition in court stating that Newt had failed to properly provide for his family.[262] Newt submitted a financial statement to the judge, which showed that he had been "providing only $400 a month, plus $40 in allowances for his daughters. He claimed not to be able to afford any more. But in citing his own expenses, he listed $400 just for 'Food / dry cleaning, etc.'—for one person."
  In 1981, a judge ordered him to provide considerably more; in 1993, Jackie stated in court that Newt had failed to obey the 1981 order "from the day it was issued."
  In 1993, while still married to Marianne, Gingrich began an affair with House of Representatives staffer Callista Bisek, more than two decades his junior.
  Gingrich filed for divorce from Marianne in 1999, a few months after she had been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.
  On January 19, 2012, Marianne alleged in an interview on ABC's Nightline that she had declined to accept Newt's suggestion of an open marriage.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt_Gingrich
  It's been a thing for a while. They do a performative squirm and vote for monsters anyways
- Your country is insane.
  You don't say! I simply hadn't noticed! What's so crazy about people voting for someone with no experience whatsoever except for being a rich asshole which he proved every second breath? I mean that's just normal!!

"I love you, christians. I am a christian!"
Who the fuck talks like that? And who the fuck votes for a guy that talks like that?
- Hello my fellow human beings, I'm a human and love doing human activities.
  
  Reminds me of this
- These people who talk equally as phony.
  Behold: a black person.
  
  Too stupid to be satire, but also too stupid to not be satire. I am not sure with this one, chief.
- Imagine how stupid the average person is, then realize half of all people are stupider than that.
  George Carlin
  
  I read something that put conservatives into greater context, just changed one word.
  “Imagine how stupid the average Republican is, then realize half of all republicans are stupider than that.”
  
  Median would be the more generally correct number to use, but apparently IQ (debatable as a proxy for intelligence...) is roughly normally distributed, so either is likely close enough.
  
  Truer words never have been uttered
- Hello, fellow kids!
- Christians, apparently.
  
  When you've already lost the capacity for critical thought...
- Yes it's like when I, too, enjoy human food like a real human
- Millions of stupid Americans. They are everywhere! Even in your city, maybe even in your neighborhood.
- Who talks like that? A grifter. A guy who literally embodies all of the seven deadly sins, trying to convince his followers that "he's a Christian." That is just exploding with irony.

Trump using the language of a tyrant is not an accident. When people say that democracy is on the line this election, we're not being hyperbolic, we're saying that because of statements like this. Please get out there and vote this November.
- Him saying it out loud is an accident. People with dementia often forget that they're not supposed to say certain things out loud.
  
  While that may be true, I also think it’s because he feels comfortable enough to say it out loud. These people and a fanatic third of the US are that far gone.
  
  Idk, the crowd was cheering for him. Think he just doesn't have a grasp on what the average person thinks.
- When people say that democracy is on the line this election, we’re not being hyperbolic
  The election system in the US has been under siege since the end of Jim Crow. The conservative response to the civil rights act has been to egalitarianize disenfranchisement.
  We've had Republicans chipping away at the functional organs of democracy since Eisenhower's Red Scare leveraged the Hoover FBI to infiltrate and eradicate self-sufficient communities and their unionized labor leadership back in the 50s.
  Meanwhile, the Democrats' leadership have never sat particularly well with the influx of minority voters following the Civil Rights Act. They've had to digest racist backlashes within their own party from the George Wallace Dixiecrat break away campaign under LBJ to the Hilary Clinton "birther" attacks launched at Obama during the '08 primary.
  The end result is Republicans openly embracing fascism at the state and local level, while Democrats dissolve their own primary system in pursuit of a rigid corporate sponsored nomination process.
  This isn't something that's going to be fixed in an election cycle. Trump losing won't make Republicans less fascist. Kamala taking the nomination of the discarded carcass of an establishment insider like Biden won't heal the divide in the Democratic Party. And it certainly won't undo the fascist GOP takeovers in Texas, Florida, and Ohio.
  We're in for a rocky road ahead under either Presidency.
  
  Perhaps making shady self-interested NGOs an integral part of our electoral system wasn't such a good idea.
  
  A.I. for President.
- If our democracy is so fragile that it can be destroyed by voting for the wrong person, then we have to fix some shit.
  
  It's not just one person. There are years of hijacking that the republican party has done to the us system, like packing the supreme court. Those must be fixed as soon as possible.
- Oh shaddup
  
  Intriguing platform; tell me more.

oh yeah, so cryptic. gotta bust out my cryptography degree for this one. might need a couple quantum computers too. wow, the crypticity is at an all-time high. its over 8000, i tell ya.
- Wait, I had the scouter on upside down.

As an outsider I honestly just don't get what people see in this idiot. How can you take someone that talk like that seriously? He sounds like a nutter that is promising crazy stuff that would literally mean the end of the USA as we know it.
If he'd get his way with this and the other project 2025 stuff it'd honestly be the end of America I think.
- Trump is a cult leader in all but name. His zealots support worldviews that have been made illegal, taboo, obsolete, or otherwise unacceptable, like white supremacy and racism, fascism, theocracy, homo-/transphobia, and mysogyny; they perceive this as an attack against their lifestyles by "the others." They will rally to the loudest voice that speaks out against "the others" and support him as long as that remains true.
  Trump cultists are irrational creatures, you can't apply rational expectations and deduce a satisfactory answer.
- As an insider, it's even worse. You didn't have to suffer 4 years of continuous clusterfuck and embarrassment only to be topped off by a planned insurrection that they still try to gaslight everyone about.
  You're absolutely correct that it would be the end of America.
- I'm Canadian and whenever I'm abroad, the locals ask me what the fuck is wrong with Americans. Expecting I'll know better bc we're neighbours.
  Which is true, since we're more likely to interact.
  All I can reply is, "They're just totally fucked!" It's that simple!
  Also, when I meet Americans abroad now, the first thing they do is apologize for America. That's the only Canadian trait that's rubbed off on them.
- As an American, neither do I. The man was a national joke for 30+ years, and all it took was a shiny new coat of paint in the form of a reality TV show where they just straight up constantly lied about his wealth and business acumen, for people to literally begin worshipping him.
  Watching your loved ones fall into this shit is heartbreaking.
- He promises simple solutions with no sacrifice, essentially just "I'll fix it." Certain people love that. Don't care what the solution is, don't care that the problem has been simplified beyond recognition, just fix shit.
- I think what Trump's following kind of reveals is a sad truth about humans generally; about a quarter of people are very stupid and very susceptible to cult-think. It doesn't always manifest as support for a politician, it could be anti-vax beliefs, or racism, zionism etc.
  Wherever you are, about 25-30% of people are simply not equipped to think critically, and that stupidity is activated or weaponized under various conditions, most often during times of economic stress or social chaos. People who can't understand the complex causes of a problem are easy to manipulate -- you give them a simplistic answer.
  "It's the jews" or "trans people are the root of your problems" etc.
  It can happen anywhere because a certain demographic of people are just dumb, and there's no way around it other than trying to reduce human suffering across the board and making it less likely that anyone is struggling.
- I think if Trumps plan plays out and if If Project 2025 is enacted it will likely have more than an effect on the US, it will likely have profound effects on the world. It will change geopolitics and economies through shifts in alliances, trade dynamics, nationalistic sentiments, and domestic economic policies.
  Thinking it through, it'll probably move towards an increasingly complex global landscape, overshadowed by uncertainty and potential conflicts.
  
  The documentary “The Handmaid’s Tale” is about this
- People who vote for Trump have been brainwashed by Fox News. It really is as simple as that.

This is as cryptic as saying "I will come to your house tonight and burn it down with everyone still in it."
- You will never need to worry about your house again!
  
  You won't have to worry about anything at all again.
- Do you mean metaphorically?

Too all the Trump supporters, if you want, you can stop voting now. No, seriously, it is a hassle. Stay home, the rest of us can handle it.

In my eyes this is the actual scariest thing he's ever said.
- I mean it quite a good soundbite for any democratic ad for sure.
  
  I seriously want to just scatter pictures of this quote all over town.. don't see how any Republican could be on board with this unless they actually want a dictatorship
- Genuine national security threat.
- What? Speaking to "Christians" and saying he'll be god king emperor and/or he'll help usher in the second coming...you know, Armageddon - the end of the world?
  Nothing scary at all.

There's nothing subtle about Trump. So when he say something blatantly stupid and evil, it doesn't need translation or interpretation. If he says, "we're going to 'fix' voting so that you'll never have to worry about voting ever again" there only ONE way to interpret that. Believe people when they show you what they really are.
It also doesn't help that our mainstream, "liberal news media" (you know, the one that's owned by only six corporations) is constantly running interference for Trump.
- Chaos gets views... ¯(ツ)_/¯

I'm not american, but I have a feeling this election is going to go into history.
Vote for Trump and he'll turn it into dictatorship.
Vote for Harris and she'll be the first woman president.
What will it be?
- Not just the first woman president, but the first female mixed race president and the first to snap back when attacked in a long time. Trump is scared. He just went from saying "you don't need to vote because we have plenty of votes" to "please vote so we can put an to end voting"
  Edited to say first female mixed race since Obama was first mixed race
  
  Obama was the first mixed race President.
  
  First Asian President
- Buttery mails 2: electric bugaloo
- RN is the time to do something cool so your name gets on the history test
- I hope if Harris gets into office she will be more than just a token granted by the DNC to appease minority voters. We already saw Obama being a mediocre at best internally, and internationally brutal war criminal, president. Him being black did not make him a good president. And for Hillary Clinton the "she's a women" trope failed catastrophically and brought us Trump in the first place.
  Harris needs to convince with policy and character, not with race or gender.
  EDIT: I did not mean that Harris would only convince with ther background. It is important to move past the tokenism approach that the DNC used to take.
  
  She's winning with policy and character so far.
  
  So far, I don't feel like she's appeasing to minorities.
  It's more about replacing Biden and going against Trump.

Cryptically? This motherfucker is the most transparent asshole on the planet. He couldn't convince a bucket of fish they were out of the water.
He plain and clearly said "if I win it will be the end of democracy". There isn't subtext.
- I don't have anything to add, I agree wholeheartedly, I just love that saying and somehow hadn't heard it before
  
  Oh thank you then it was off the cuff so that's probably why haha

That is not cryptic. He's saying the quiet part out loud.

Cryptic, no. Bizarre, yes.
- Not even bizarre, just saying the quiet part out loud, again.

Wow, I mean technically the Antichrist and the False Prophet COULD be the same person, nothing in Revelation says they can’t.
- With all the people wearing a bandage on their ear it looks like they already have their stigmata.

In four years, you don’t have to vote again.
Man, I thought it was just a misquote, but he kept going and getting more specific.

Wow so cryptic I wonder what he could be implying
- He's a riddle wrapped in an enigma...
  
  Wrapped in a used diaper
  
  And then deep fried to a golden…orange.
- "I think I'm much more cryptic than you would understand" - Trump

LOL i was wondering how long it would take for them to come out and say it
- They already had. Back in February at CPAC
  https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2024/02/23/jack-posobiec-cpac-remarks-democracy-cnc-vpx.cnn
  
  jesus fucking christ

There's nothing cryptic about that at all. He's telling you what you should be believing for once.
- I think we all should have learned from last time that the only time you can believe anything Trump says is when he promises to do something truely horrible.

“btw I’m not a threat to democracy, you’re a threat to democracy”

Doesn't seem particularly "cryptic" to me. Essentially he's saying "If we win, you don't need to vote, because I'll make sure we win from now on by rigging it".
Seems pretty cut and dry to me what he's saying.
- I dunno, I hate Trump as much as the next guy but it seems to me he meant "I'm going to fix all the country's problems in one term so you won't need to vote for me again", not "I'm going to abolish voting".
  
  Are you fucking dumb? Or are you actively trying and failing to do propaganda?
  
  You won't ever need to vote again was the meaning. If you can't see that as a red flag, then you deserve the r word in my opinion. The dude doesn't want a democracy. He wants to be a dictator to avoid his legal issues. This guy will absolutely take down democracy without a second thought. He'll drag America down with him.
  
  I think it's more that he doesn't give a shit what happens because he can only be elected for one more term. Trump doesn't give a shit about anyone except himself, on other words. And even he's smart enough to know he's lucky if he's got four more years of health left in him. Cholesterol is the only thing holding him together.

Cryptic implies there is something to decipher
- "Be sure to drink your ovaltine"

Not remotely cryptic...
- This. And "cryptically declares?" Really? Trump is always dumb, blunt and obvious. Believe people when they show you what they really are.

Again with the dog airhorn.

That wasn't cryptic at all. I cannot wait until he is dead in the ground -- after he loses the election. Or, at minimum, rots in prison as someone's removed the rest of his useless life.
- I guess the damage is done and once there is an actual smart guy without conscience and morals it'll get really ugly for democracy in the US.
  
  This is my worry too. We've survived Trump for this long because he's not half as smart as he thinks he is, nor is he as charismatic, either. But he's not alone in this. Republicans are chomping at the bit for "Permanent Republican Rule", and if they have to outlaw Democrats and Democracy to do it, they will. They're happy in a Banana Republic...as long as they are the ones in control. Which means merely getting rid of Trump isn't enough. We need a constant campaign to keep Republicans out of office, which the Left isn't keen on doing because the Left isn't one unified group, but instead a loose coalition of Scientists, Academicians, Artists, Environmentalists, Civil Rights advocates, and countless other small factions, that are easily played against each other.

"Cryptically"

I need to try this on Christians!
Please give me 60% off this TV my beautiful Christian, I love you, I'm a Christian.
- You can tell whether someone really loves anyone by how often they have to remind you that they know how to use the word "Christian" like it's some kind of magic spell.
  That convicted rapist scumbag who does nothing but lie for a living doesn't have the slightest clue what the word love means.
- My beautiful Christians. Jesus told me it was ok for me to rape that removed. I love you, Christians! And doing some insurrection was fine. I’m a Christian. Im a bit like the messiah. I love you. Get out.

What does it feel like to get raped in the ass by this fucker, Americans? You gonna do something about it or just take it?
- The electoral college has been doing that for so many years our assholes look like Bonnie Rotten after a gang bang.
  
  Thx for the recommendation
  
  Yeah! We should not let these ivory towered, elbow patched professors vote for us!
- That one kid tried to do something about it, then everyone decried him.
  
  Except Kyle Gass
- Ancient Greece also fell, cults and ideologies outperformed their bickering through sheer dumb single-mindedness.
  
  Ancient Greece fell because of lead. It's believed the aristocrats were ingesting 1mg of lead everyday. They used it for various things including wine preservative and sweetener.
- they tried to do something about it, and that was wrong.

So he wants to be a permanent dictator? Sounds legit considering the SCOTUS verdict about no criminal reponsibility
- Yes. He wants to be a dictator on day one and then the rest of the days after that too.
- His VP is an American monarchist.

I love you, Christians! I’m a Christian.
"Hello, fellow Christians! You should vote for me, because I am, like you, a Christian! Praise Jesus!"
- "I love you, Christians! I’m not Christian."
  That's what he said. It's clear from the context, from his body language, from everything. You don't talk about a group as "you X" when you're a part of it, you talk about "we X". He talked about them as an outsider, then made it clear he wasn't one.
  
  Trump has always touted himself as a Christian. It would make zero sense to go back on that now. Especially when you're talking to a room full of Christians.

It's not cryptic at all, it's rather straightforward.
- Yeah came here to say this.

The Founders DEFINITELY wanted us to be Able to Shoot up Kindergarteners. THAT'S Crystal Clear! But their views on Democracy are MUCH more newanced and Unknown!
- I can't be the only one who just doesn't care what the founders wanted. I don't want to live in an oligarchy of the dead!

Pretty sure that warrants a second attempt.
- You mean a first success.
  
  Yes, I think we are on the same page ;)
- How do you know the fascists won't just rally behind somebody else like Trump, but younger and more competent?
  
  That's the usual "if they killed hitler someone worse would have take power". That's not certain at all, what is certain is that hitler was very bad and removing him would have been a good thing.
  
  Not really a reason not to

Yes very cryptic, I wonder what he could possibly mean by that?

To anyone thinking, "well there is some subtext here we're not talking about." Gtfo the man wants to be putin. Since day one. Putin does have kompromat on donald. All the videos trump sends him of himself furiously masterbating.
- The subtext is Armageddon.
  
  American parts, Russian parts. All made in Taiwan

Cryptic, nothing. What he means is that we won't be allowed to vote. This is precisely what happens when you tolerate tyranny for as long as we've tolerated Trump's brand of it. We used to fight tyranny whenever it raised its head, but corporate media and its demands for "civility" has turned us into a nation of neuters.

In case you missed it the OLD orange felon/rapist has already declared himself the winner. He has said if he isn't the winner the election was rigged. They intend to take control no matter what.
- He's done this before and all that happened was a small crowd of idiots making mess in the Capitol.
  
  I guarantee that THIS time there will be far more than a handful of cops on scene, regardless of who wins.
- If he loses, how many states would have to just flip their electoral votes? The supreme court would 100% approve it.

my beautiful Christians. I love you, Christians! I’m a Christian. I love you.
I'm not an expert in American politics, but is he high on something?
- That's how he talks, even way before he ran for president. Trump was kind of a hyperbolic snake oil salesman in the stock markets before he got into politics, and he was surprisingly good at it.
  Also.
  Welcome to Costco, I love you
  
  He doesn't seem good at it.
- Ego.
- I think they're all high on something. It results in a bad trip for the rest of us.

So he's basically killing democracy in his country if he wins the election.
I mean, once he wins, because I'm very pessimistic.
- I think the silver lining is that he might be too incompetent to actually pull it off, like last time he obviously tried it. Unfortunately, the US judicial or whatever system is also too incompetent to punish him so I guess he just gets to try it again and again until it works.
  
  So if it doesn't happen soon, it's gonna happen eventually.
- If it's not him, it will be some other clown. The GQP got to the position it is in even when it wasn't brainwashing personality cult members and it wast that bad, now it is and all it takes is a non-ideal candidate on the democratic side to let them win. Democracy in the US can no longer be retained through the popular vote.
  The fifth column of generational oligarchs is just trying to find its next figurehead Hitler to take leadership and if it fails, to take the fall while they sink back into obscurity to prepare for the next round.

If you listen to that audio closely it sounds like he said “im not Christian”. But then he would be telling the truth. And he doesn’t know how to do that.
- As I recall when he was president he laughed at Christian dignitaries and called them stupid to his aides.
  I think he enjoys being the wolf in sheep clothes, especially when addressing Christians.

I'm barely into politics, my high school teachings of the political system aren't terribly strong in my mind. All that to ask:
Can he do that?
And, if so:
What would need to happen for a president to convert our system to lifetime terms?
What would need to happen for a president to convert our system to a dictatorship/monarchy/whatever? (so we actually never voted again)
Is it at all likely that Trump could make either of those things happen?
P.S. You don't need to make the 86th comment about how this isn't cryptic. Shitty headlines should be criticized, but it isn't adding to the discussion at the point. I mean, look at me, I managed to get through this entire comment and not menti- Oh crap, I'm part of the problem.
- Go back and watch Star Wars Episode 3. That's actually a good description of how a democracy falls to autocracy. The Republicans have been openly dreaming of a "Permanant Republican Majority" since AT LEAST Bush 43's terms in office. And they've been laying the framework since Nixon -- a ~~news~~entertainment channel that caters to Right-Winger fantasies, judges who put ideology over legality, partisan gerrymandering that concentrates Republican voters for power and dilutes Dem votes into meaninglessness, and political theories that basically advocate for the dismantling of our political systems if that will keep Democrats out of power even if they have a majority.
  To answer your questions directly:
  Can he do that? Yes. He can. Anyone can.
  What would need to happen to convert our system to lifetime terms? There are a variety of ways, but they all boil down to the President doing outright illegal things under cover of a friendly Supreme Court. After all, they granted immunity to 'official acts', which we believe is cover for an autocratic takeover of the country.
  What would need to happen to convert our system into a dictatorship/monarchy/whatevs? This is just a hypothetical situation. It's July 2028. Mass incarcerations of Leftists, Immigrants, Muslims, and Minorities have begun and the country is in the throes of a civil war. Polling is reporting that Trump could lose the election, despite disenfranchising the Left's voting base through various means. Trump announces he's postponing the 2028 elections 'until things calm down, they have to get much better first before we can have a fair election." People sue. It doesn't matter what happens in the lower courts, because they'll appeal all the way up to the Supreme Court. The same 6 Conservative ideologues that said he has immunity for 'official acts' will rule that he has the right to suspend the election. And that, my friends, is how Democracy ends, with massive applause from the Alt-Right assholes that Clinton quite rightly fucking called "Deplorable".
  Can Trump actually make either of those happen? Yes. Yes, he can. The framework is already laid out. HK-65 laid it out elsewhere. Essentially, you start by shutting the Other Side out of government. You then take over all the levers of government. Then you set them so you can't lose. You might need to just waive away the safetyguards that get in your way, and some you might use your lock on government to remove 'legitimately'. If the 22nd Amendment gets in the way of a Republican dynasty, they'll have it removed.
  TL;DR? Never rely on checks and balances to stop authoritarianism. In the end, the Constitution IS just a piece of paper, and will be run over by authoritarian jerks if that means power.
  
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- Not an expert on the US political system, but legislative power, and thus changing the system, is vested in Congress, not the Presidency. So he'd need to get a supermajority there, and rewrite the Constitution. Point is, it's not Trump that can do it, but a theoretical Republican House and Senate 60% supermajority (or a supermajority of State legislatures).
  Look at what happened in Hungary in 2010, that's a blueprint of that happening. Biden dropping out is good news, since from the outside it kinda looked like the US might have been setting itself up for that kind of thing to happen. I think with Harris running, it's not realistic the Dems will lose that bad.
  That said, he could try another Jan 6th, basically take Washington under military occupation. Then it's up to which states go along with it and which ones don't, and you've got a civil war.
  
  All he really needs is the supreme court to step in at any point there is a close contest to decide on the outcome. Also, there are only about 1,500 electors. Voting is kind of a sham.
- The government is run by people, so he just needs a critical mass of followers in important positions in order to gum things up. That’s why the #1 and perhaps only thing he cares about in other people are how much they like him and how loyal they are. Also to him.
- Its rhetoric for sure, but there are possible methods to suspend elections. We don't know what they are yet until a group starts publicly speculating about how it could legally be done. Not that it is impossible, who knows what the future may hold?
  I would say its pretty doubtful you could indefinitely suspend federal elections, but cheetoh benito loves to dog whistle to his base.

Nothing cryptic about it

As cryptic as the Rosetta Stone.
- I think this is a bad example, because the Rosetta stone originally was cryptic.

Hail King Trumpnut.

it only happens on day one so don't worry about it

Honestly, considering the master level narcissist Trim is, this is likely more a "after 4 more years I'm not going to run anymore so I couldn't give a fuck about what you guys do" instead of "I'll be dictator and democracy will be over"
Either way it's bad

To be fair, even thought that's not needed with this guy, what he could actually mean is that he doesn't give a crap who anyone votes for in 4 years since its not going to be him anyway, and for him he is the only person that counts.
But yeah, all the other theories are also plausible unfortunately.
- Could be the only thing he cares about getting "fixed" are his impending criminal trials?
- You are wrong. All you have to do is listen to the words he actually said.
- I was hoping someone else in here would say this. This would be his second term.

Wow. Best case, he's admitting he won't run for a third term and doesn't care once his personal issues are solved. The worst case is openly delaying himself a traitor.
Time for another meme ad...

I only recently watched Civil War what the fuck is he doing

I am to be trusted

They don't have to vote now or ever.
The USA does not have compulsory voting.

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