Climate change is a hoax /s

"Climate change" is obsolete, now it's "climate crisis". I suppose after that it's climate collapse and then climate desolation.

Climate apocalypse pretty soon. Maybe climate collapse of society first, briefly
- I'd say climate apocalypse and climate societal collapse are the same thing. Apocalypse doesn't mean extinction, otherwise how would we have a post-apocalyptic world?

So even if climate change isn't real (which obviously it is.) What's the down side? We invest in renewable energy, not pollute as much. Oh the horror!

Because the people who made money investing in the old way stop making money. That’s it. That’s the entire problem. The fossil fuels industry wants to keep making money, and the politicians who are bribed by them want to keep getting bribes. So they create a culture war so the facts don’t matter.
- Which is just blatantly straight up evil. They are evil people destroying people's lives for profit. And everyone is just hunky-dory with it.
- I'd add that especially in developed countries, we have gotten used to the high energy-density of fossil fuels, which is the result of millions of years of pressure, temperature or in short: energy. And we are using up this energy within two centuries. This resulted in the unsustainable lifestyle (it's everywhere we look), that would have to be curbed, if we were to get off this Jurassic Park Experiment completely.
  
  Therefore a number of people see their very (unsustainable) way of life in jeopardy. This source of resistance is what gives that culture war BS its fuel in the first place. At least in my experience of talking with people it is this negative emotional place that leads them to embrace false information in order to keep their lifestyles. Which in turn makes cooperation impossible. To make it even worse, people in developing countries now aspire to the same lifestyle - and who can blame them? But I don't trust their (or ours for that matter) politics enough to hope for scientifically sound action to get there.
- It's not THAT simple. For a period of time, there is a slight reduction in quality of life as people switch to renewables. Example, in many towns there are mandatory solar requirements on new homes, which inflates the cost of construction for homeowners etc. Same with the no gas hookup requirements now in some cities where you can' get a gas line to your house... which means higher costs to run your heat etc.
  
  It's one of those short term problems but it impacts people in a real way and people just don't wanna go for that.

We’re fucked.

We are fucking ourselves. Which sounds nice, but not in this context. I guess our grandkids will have to get a taste for cockroach and muck. At least we can eat and drink and enjoy the sun like kings of old...
- I'm smart about this one and not having kids!

I think the conservatives don’t disagree that climate change is real, they disagree that humans are responsible. To them it’s things like El Niño or solar activity.

No, there are a lot of conservatives that think it’s entirely made up
- Symptoms of climate change are getting harder and harder to ignore. The goalposts are moving slowly, not towards any kind of constructive action mind you. Soon they'll get to "Of course it's man-made, but there's nothing we can do".
- I guess they're smarter than all of NASA! That's amazing! What're they doing working in <whatever they do> when they could be straightening out the so-called scientists? /s
And they're wrong according to virtually every person who actually studies the climate for a living, so they might as well pretend it's made up.

And it's stupid anyway. You might be able to deny human-caused climate change, but you can't deny smog and pollution. Greener energy sources mean less smog and pollution. Why isn't that a good thing to them?
- It's a fundamental lack of understanding of math and science.
  
  There's a video going around conservative circles talking about how CO2 only makes up .04 percent of the atmosphere, and therefore even if it were doubled it would be less than 1/1000th of the atmosphere, so it's not worth worrying about.
  
  I tried to explain to my father that that's exactly why we're able to have such an impact. They don't understand that we're able to make a much larger relative impact on CO2 versus Nitrogen and Oxygen and therefore a larger impact on global temperatures.
It's actually a spectrum of disavowal of responsibility:

It's not happening.

Even if it is happening, it's not our fault.

Even if it is our fault, there is nothing we can do.

Even if there is something we can do, it's too late to do anything.

It's just that the first stage (denialism) is starting to become untenable.
- Even if it isn't too late to do something it's the others that should do it
  
  Even if we are the ones that should do something, it's down to everyone individually so no job for the politicians
  
  Even if it is down to the state, sorry it's too expensive.
- Ah yes, the standard Foreign Office response in a time of crisis. The tactic does not get old.
The major oil companies acknowledged climate change is a major threat and they are primarily responsible for it decades ago

looking @ the conservatise political programs, they realize people will die due to climate change, but their solution is more babies (ergo, forbid women to stop/prevent pregancy), not stopping climate change...

please keep voting on them /s

The world is literally on fire

The dead walk. Zombies have arrived. They are us.

Yippie! I love global warming!!!!! Thank you big corporations you are so cool!

Way beyond warming, it's global roasting

I'm not fully convinced yet.. maybe if it was four weeks with records broken every day, then I'd really consider changing my mind. But probably not because it was all made up by Al Gore.

Why is the world so much hotter during the Northern Hemisphere summer?

As far as I know that's mostly because there's much more land in the Northern Hemisphere and the temperature differences (day/night but also summer/winter) are much more pronounced over the land than over the sea: the land heats and cools faster.
- Thanks buddy! Wow on Lemmy people actually answer your questions that come late in the thread. Incredible.
- I think also El Niño right?

Does anyone know the true source of this statistic?

Edit: found it. Source

It's literally in the image of the graph.
- Only the institute. Not the link. Edited my comment with the link.

If I'm not mistaken, before recording temps earth started as a molten volcano ridden planet billions of years ago, no?

Compared to that this is just a slightly warmer ice age. We good.

Checkmate Thunbergers!

See this to visualize time frames on this kind of stuff

https://xkcd.com/1732/
- Isn't the heat causing icebergs to break off of antarctica and melt into the ocean?
  
  Nature is balancing things out. The hotter it gets, the more ice it drops into the ocean. We are panicking for nothing 😊

Interesting that despite it still being summer and roasty toasty in the southern hemisphere in January, the world average temp is still lower than the northern hemisphere summer.

The southern hemisphere has a lot more water surface area, which has a larger heat capacity, is somewhat reflective, and a lower density / conductivity.

This is why Australians and Brazilians are known to be amphibious during summer.
- Yeah that was my thought, turns out the land water ratio in the northern hemisphere is 2:3 while it's 1:4 in the southern hemisphere
Averages mean almost nothing. They can't really be used to say anything meaningful.

1000 men vs 1000 women: 999 men earn $1 per hour. 1 man earns $1,000,000 per hour. 1,000 women earn $500 per hour. On average, men earn $1000 per hour, but women earn on average half that.

The reality is obviously very different to the average.
- This would only be a relevant criticism if our temperatures had a swing like 1-$1,000,000 does.
  
  The reality is obviously very different than you suspected.
- The average tells us quite a lot. It shows that overall, year on year temperatures across the entire planet are increasing, whether it's winter or summer. Like you say the impacts of that are higher spikes in more places every year and those spikes are lost from the data, but the average is valuable aswell. Because of the scale, and the fact that it's including winter for half the planet, 1 degree change in the average is pretty crazy.

My favorite was my aunt going straight from "climate change is a myth" to "well we can't do anything about it, so why bother doing anything at this point" like my sister in Christ WE MADE THE CHANGE