[Mega thread] - Biden ends bid for presidency
[Mega thread] - Biden ends bid for presidency
Biden announced he's ending his bid for the presidency via X (formerly twitter).
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Any moment now, the 'don't vote for Biden' group will be in here telling us not to vote for Harris. And if it isn't Harris, they'll tell us not to vote for whoever it is.
Anything but stop the dictator and his plan to commit genocide against Latinos and queer people.
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Even if Trump wasn't going to do awful things, I can't stand his stupid face or his stupid voice or his stupid stupidity. That's enough to vote for someone who'll beat him.
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No. It absolutely isn't. I was too young to vote in the 2000 election, but Gore had the same stupid face, long drawn out speech paterns, and general unlikability.
However, his policies, and his message were good. I would have voted for him despite his stupid face, because of him being the better candidate.
I FULLY understand people hating trump......but I underatand the hate because trump is a piece of shit. I get why trump is hated for his bad policies. I get why people hate having a criminal in the white house.
But to say that if a candidate were good for the position, but you hate their face and voice, I wouldn't understand that.
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I didn't want to believe it but they're already in the comments. We need to be vocal. Kamala is a great candidate.
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Of course they are. They started when it was just rumored that Biden would drop out.
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Of course they are. It's infuriating. Even the "anyone but trump" idiots undermines confidence in Kamala.
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Most of the biden haters i know on the left are upset about his support for israel. Harris has been much more critical of the genocide. We'll just have to see.
I didnt want to vote for biden, but was still going to vote blue no matter who. Im glad i dont have to vote for genocide anymore.
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Until Harris fucks up terribly in public and jeopardizes her campaign, I won't be advocating for her replacement. I never said "don't vote Biden." I said "run somebody better." Keeping Trump out of office is more important to me than living in this country and I love where I live. I'm hopeful that Harris can win the trust of the people and prevent my having to relocate (and a bunch of other bad shit).
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I may be a weirdo, but I was on the "I'd consider not voting for Biden." but I'm currently more interested in Harris. Nowhere near as bad of a track record as Biden had. From being racist, to supporting rapists getting into the Supreme Court, to backing massive removal of constitutional rights.
Harris' record isn't perfect, and while I'm in California, I don't recall any bills she pushed/voted for as Senator that was anything as bad as the USA PATRIOT Act. I don't like her record as our AG at all, but Senator is a different story.
If she picks a good VP pick, I'd be down. I'm wanting maybe Newsom, but that's just he biggest Democrat I know, as he's my Governor.
Edit: I don't know how to make it clear: I live in California. If I voted for a ham sandwich for oresident it would have the same impact as voting for Biden. My state's EC is clear and chosen, and popular vote doesn't decide the president otherwise we'd never have Trump. I was considering going Greens, but I'm looking forward to Harris. Get mad at undecideds in Swing States and Trump supporters, not a registered Democrat in California.
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As a non American I just can't comprehend how any of you even have to think about this.
On one hand, an old man, who, despite his age and stumbling over his words, has ran the country relatively successfully for the last four years.
On the other hand, another old man that was a global embarrassment, cosied up to Putin and Kim, spent most of his time golfing and shitting his pants, stole classified documents and likely sold state secrets, he is a sexual abuser, an actual criminal, clearly has corrupt justices on his side with crazy plans, chummy with epstein and took multiple trips to pedo Island, promoted racism at every opportunity, many of the people connected to him for his first term were imprisoned, refused to accept your democratic process, contributed in instigating a fucking coup attempt, and that's likely not even the half of it...
Like, how the fuck can ANY of you look at that and say "Yeah but Biden stumbles over his words so I'll just throw my vote away/vote for trump..."
I feel like I'm going insane just watching this shit unfold. It is all so bizarre.
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Felt the same, both about her and Newsom.
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I'm really hoping if Harris still has to be on the ticket that she'll stay VP. It would be nice to have a decent prez option.
But I'll be voting anti trump either way.
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It would be nice to have a decent prez option.
It would also be nice not to live on a burning planet controlled by decrepit rich psychopaths but I don't think either of us will be getting what we want.
I'll still vote for whatever the democrats decide to run, of course, since minimizing or maximizing fascists' access to government is the only question on the ballot this election.
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- and disabled people
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And soon enough, the wrong kind of christians
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Nah, I said I would support her if that’s what it came down to.
She needs a good VP though with her record.
That debate and the putin -Zelensky trump-Harris mixups so short together.
Pull in Buttigieg and you have a white male as a backup to calm people down and maybe pull in the gay vote.
I understand how the last sentence could be seen the wrong way, but it’s the cynical reality.
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You’re talking about election strategy, it’s not wrong if a bit blunt/overly reduced.
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Harris isn't ideal, but she's an improvement. She's less on board with genocide than Bidenyahu, and she can fog a mirror.
Vote for Harris. Don't make the party regret listening.
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Hi, I think you've seen me in enough places saying not to vote for Biden.
Go vote for Harris.
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The reason we haven't seen it happen yet is that they weren't prepared for this. They need to make some memes and talking points, make sure everyone is on the same page. Give it a day or so, and we'll start seeing a strangely concerted effort against Harris.
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You wanna know how to shut those people up? Replace First Past The Post voting with something like Ranked Choice voting. Then they would have to make their own party and show us how it's done. (No spoiler effect to)
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Nothing will shut them up. They want to find reasons to be upset about not getting their pony.
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Cool strawman you're beating up. I think the majority of us that didn't want Biden is because he didn't have a good path to victory. We didn't want to just stand by and watch the train wreck happen. Harris isn't much better, but at least she is better, and I will be on board with that of that's who is chosen. I would rather see Whitmer be on the top of the ticket though.
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Yeah I like Harris less than Biden. Sad day tbh.
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The criterion is very simple: Don't vote for genocide committers, enablers or planners. That excludes Biden and Trump.
If the Dems manage to produce a non genocide loving candidate, then vote vote vote and drag everyone who will vote for the non genocide candidate to the polling station.
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"I'd rather let someone who actively, aggressively advocates, enables, and wants genocide domestically and abroad to win the presidency, over voting for somebody who passively enables genocide to happen abroad because actively trying to stop it could ignite WWIII" is still a bad take.
It's baffling and hypocritical.
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Does... does Harris meet your criterion?
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I don't get how in the Levant, where both Hamas and the Israelis have significant factions that want to genocide the other people, a situation where Hamas does the genociding (because an Israel without attack capability de facto also loses defense capability) is somehow more moral than a situation where Israel does it.
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An aside, I hate that this was posted to twitter before it was posted to Biden's own website or the White House's website first.
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This is why the internet sucks now. Nobody maintains their own websites anymore. These days everybody just posts everything on the same handful of centralized megacorp websites. Social media killed the golden age of the web.
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There are some exceptions that still live by the POSSE*-principle, but they're rare.
*Post to Own Site, Syndicate/Share Everywhere
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E-mail, too. You could have all the latest security features to confirm you're legitimate, but based on the simple fact that your message volume is low (ironically enough), messages you send with your server will often get filed under junk by default.
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Well Trump posts stuff to his own website :P
But yeah, I agree. And there's no excuse for it really. Sure a regular person only posting to a single social media makes sense, but anyone that has staff should be able post to their own website, issue a press release, post on Twitter, Mastodon, Facebook, Blue Sky, Reddit, etc. I mean once you have the statement finalized it's just copy & paste to get it on all platforms. It seems bizarre that they don't do this.
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Screw Elon
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My first reaction was that he was hacked. It wasn't on official letterhead, there was no other announcement, and the president didn't immediately make another tweet/x/whatever.
I don't think I'm alone. Typically when something big like this happens, I get 5-10 news alerts within minutes of each other from various sources. The alerts were slow to roll in today.
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I hate that he started at least 2 sentences with "and"
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It really helps you to hear it in his voice, though.
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Elon probably boosted it for free, max.publicity
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WHAT AM I GOING TO DO WITH ALL MY BIDEN HATS, FLAGS, T-SHIRTS, AND STICKERS?!
/Just kidding - not in a cult 😅
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Not in a cult, have you tried Linux?
I hear the occasional mention of that here.-
Caught me!
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Hold onto them, they'll probably become collector's items after "the Fall" in 8 years.
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It's finally over. Now get in someone who can beat Trump.
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Who exactly?
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Harris 2024 babyyyyy
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Literally any straight white man center-right democrat born after 1968 would wipe the floor with trump.
And before anyone jumps down my throat, that’s not what I want. I want president Cortez. But presidents are chosen by money and by about 10,000 generically stupid swing voters in Michigan and Pennsylvania.
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It's not over... It's joever!
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Honestly the biggest problem Biden had was that all his funding dried up after the debate.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/18/us/politics/biden-fundraising.html
Regardless of who you think would win in a vacuum you gotta acknowledge this.
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The biggest problem he had was getting old.
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I suspended my donations with a memo that they need to seriously consider running someone else. I'll vote for Harris, but I'm not excited for her.
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I stopped donating after the debate. I sent a donation today for 3x my usual. If they only respond to money, then withholding it is the only way to make them listen.
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Bernie 2024, even if he dies of a heart attack first day his appointments would change the country for good and I don’t trust any party politicians on Palestine.
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I'm hoping for a Kamala/AOC ticket.
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Hot damn I had forgotten about a new vp pick in the middle of all this. AOC won't be it but needs to be.
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that would be great, but there's no way they double down on minorities and women in the same ticket. get ready for a biden jr as the VP.
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Automatic loss.
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I think bernie could wipe the floor with any sitting senator of any age he comes up against but with bidens age and recent performance there is no way you will convince everyone with bernies age factor.
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Biden endorsed Kamala. =)
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Kamala has a similar approval rating to Biden. If he wasn't viable, neither is she.
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To be fair, most people really don't know much about her yet. She's mostly stayed in the shadows as a VP. That could change, for better or worse, when they know her better.
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This is a hilarious misreading of polling data. Kamala may not win, but her percentage chance to win might be double or more of what Bidens was.
People I follow were estimating Biden at 10-15% by the time the election rolled around. All the models assume that a candidate would run a normal campaign. Something that he is not capable of doing.
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The argument that I've seen made is that her approval rating will rise if she becomes the candidate.
I'm not sure how realistic that is, but it's the one that was made.
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Taking over the news cycle following the RNC while invalidating some of the rhetoric from it.
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Probably so Russia couldn’t have enough time to properly ramp up an anti-Harris propaganda machine.
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I can guarantee they already had that shit ready to go, in case Biden pulled a McConnell and stroked out in front of a camera. His advanced age is 100% a factor in them being ready to deploy the Harris hate, because he (along with much of our elected officials) could keel over at any moment simply due to old age.
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As much as I think that he was too old for the position… JFC. If the Dems don’t nominate Kamala Harris as his replacement, the entire Democratic nomination will be filled with so much infighting that they will lose the faith of their electorate and the next election.
If only more Dems were left-of-centre such that Bernie was a viable option. Unfortunately almost all of them are right-lite.
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Bernie Sanders is even older than Biden, he should have been the nominee in 2016 but now it's too late for him
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He barely aged since 2016. At least mentally and physically he runs circles around both of the other gramps. Recent interview with Colbert.
Edit: OFC it would be nevertheless delusional to nominate him instead of Harris. He can still influence future democrat policies from the background.
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I'm going to donate to DNC to signal that this was a good idea
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straight shooter
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Welp they must have looked at the data and saw Kamala or someone else would do significantly better. Hope they're right.
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The dnc has famously been able to do that
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Well known for picking the strongest candidate.
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It's basically 50/50 with either Biden or Harris at the top of the ticket. Everything is in the margin of error, and polling has been notoriously inaccurate with Trump on the ballot.
So you have to basically ignore the simple Trump vs. Biden or Trump vs. Harris or (Trump vs. anyone else you can think of) numbers because it's pretty much unknown. But the data says a majority (even an majority of Democrats) want someone other than Biden on the ballot at election. BTW a majority of voters also want someone other than Trump on the ballot too.
There's also some data to suggest Trump is making some inroads with young male Black and Hispanic voters. Harris will negate a significant amount of that immediately and potentially even more when the GOP can't resist blowing their racist dog whistles and show voters who they really are.
So it's kinda about looking at the data, but I think a large part of it is simple campaign facts. In times past a Presidential candidate would do two (sometimes three) rallies in two different states per day. And do interviews while traveling between campaign events. Trump isn't capable of that pace. Biden most certainly isn't capable of that pace. Harris can do that. We really haven't seen a 100% balls to the wall presidential campaign in a while because it's been two old guys in the last election and in this one... until now.
Remember Biden also had to do the job of being President of the country while also campaigning. That's a lot of work for even someone young, and Biden is so very old. Sure Harris is VP, but that's mostly just getting some briefings (too keep up on events in case she might need to take over as Prez) and breaking ties in the Senate (which probably won't be needed between now and election day). She can devote almost all of her time to campaigning while Biden couldn't.
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I hope so and if true we have to trust the data. My vote is solid blue based on virtues and most policies. There's probably a lot of others like me.
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#herturn
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In 2016 it was a "Vote Against Trump Regardless Of Who It Is". It's shaping up to be that again, but this gives me hope that maybe we'll have someone we can vote for that we like... Even if just a little. Harris is no Obama in charm, but it's a step in the right direction.
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The general election will continue to be a strategic vote against the party you don't want to win until voters come out en masse in the primaries. And those better candidates will have to actually be running in the primaries.
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Not just the primaries; it's going to take a tea party style insurgency into the DNC in order to exact the actual changes that we are looking for. The long play is getting involved in your state level Democratic party apparatus and pushing for better representation of progressive policies in the party platform, and pushing people of progressive persuasions into the DNC. <--- Much inadvertent alliteration.
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We actually saw this happen in 2020 in the Democratic Party. And establishment Democrats played the game to force Bernie out. We’re hearing from people that Biden wasn’t the best person to beat Trump, he was the best person to beat Bernie. That’s why they rallied around him and pulled the bullshit with Warren before Super Tuesday.
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I could care less about charm. I wish more people would. Personally, I want a fucking autistic that defines real goals, outlines a plan to achieve them, and measures their success on how efficiently the goals are met. I'm exaggerating a bit, but I miss the days where politicians had platforms and were willing to be something more than just a feeling.
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At this point, it's all just about delaying the repression and concentration of power under a Trump presidency, as well as trying to slow down the climate catastrophe as much as possible on top of that. Things won't get better any time soon, it's simply not the historical situation and dynamic at the moment, but every year to organise people for radical alternatives for when the global collapse progresses further is valuable.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/21/open-convention-democrats-biden-drop-out/
"How Democrats would pick a new candidate if Biden drops out, step by step"
One [possibility] is a virtual vote that would lock in a new nominee in early August, and the other is an “open” convention, a scenario the party hasn’t experienced since 1968.
A convention is open when no candidate arrives with a clear majority of delegates, so the event turns into a mini-primary in which contenders scramble to persuade delegates to vote for them...
Some states have August deadlines to get on the ballot for the general election, and early voting begins in some places in September. So party leaders probably would try to settle the nomination before the Democratic National Convention begins Aug. 19.There are two types of Democratic delegates. Pledged delegates commit to supporting the candidate state voters chose, although a “good conscience” clause in the party’s rules gives them a bit of wiggle room.
Automatic delegates, often called superdelegates, are the party’s highest-profile leaders. They have the role because of the offices they hold (or held), and the group includes former presidents and vice presidents, Democratic governors, members of Congress and party officials. They are not pledged to any candidate and are not allowed to vote on the first ballot at the convention.
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a scenario the party hasn’t experienced since 1968
because the 1968 Democratic Convention went swimmingly – oh, they’re also holding this year’s convention in Chicago again you say? with increased police presence as well?
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Well, at least there isn't anything controversial going on overseas that's got the college kids riled up this time /s
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Clusterfuck it is, then. Oh boy.
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Not really. It'll be Harris. Biden endorsed her and already other potential Dem front-runners are endorsing her. Within in a few days it'll be like she's the incumbent and no one will want to run against her for the same reasons they didn't run against Biden. Plus the additional reason that they don't want to screw up their chances of being her VP pick.
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Dumb question. Why didn't they just schedule the convention prior to all deadlines regardless who runs for office? Is there any benefit to meeting so late?
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So president will be decided by the Sperm Court. Autocorrect definitely not worth fixing
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What happens now? Does the DNC pick a replacement or will they be holding a snap primary?
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A new canidate will be picked during the DNC on 19-22 august.
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Correct.
And Kamala is the most logical choice, because there will be the least amount of legal hurdles, since she was already on the ticket.
And the Republicans already said they are going to mount legal challenges, which can easily lead to SCOTUS deciding the election. So I expect Sanders, AOC and progressives to strongly push for Kamala.
But I fully expect the DNC to push forward some corporate candidate like Bloomberg.
It's going to be interesting.
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The new candidate will be picked before then, they were already planning an early roll call vote because the DNC convention is too late for some state deadlines.
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Serious? I haven't even had time to see that. That is the best decision they could have made.
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August 7 is the deadline. The problem is my state, Ohio. By law, the Democrats must nominate someone in 17 days or be left off the ballot. It's way too fast for a special primary election.
This is certainly going to face legal challenges in red states, too. The orange one will probably run unopposed in states like Florida.
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Anything could happen. Most likely is the elected delegates will decide at the convention (edit: when you vote for "Biden," you are basically voting for who the delegates that will elect him will vote for, so you still elected those delegates). Redoing a primary before then would be next to impossible. Takes weeks or months to get signatures to get on the ballot, then you need time to recruit staff to work the polls, etc.
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Yup. I would be literally stunned if any state primary has no legal path forward for what to do if a primary candidate drops out before the convention. It could get messy, but this idea that the dems will not have a candidate in some states come November is FUD.
Broadly, when Americans vote in primaries, they are not voting directly for a candidate but kicking off a process that will ultimately send delegates to the party’s national convention. Those delegates are the ones who officially pick the nominee — and the Democrats’ convention hasn’t happened yet.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/21/what-next-biden-00170001
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My understanding is they pick a replacement
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From my European point of view, i just hope she picks Kelly as her VP. A progressive Astronaut, Ambassador for UNITED24 and someone that knows that we should save us from the ultimate climate collapse...maybe we can get Alexander Gerst here in Germany to do some politics :D
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Not a bad pick, could help keep Arizona blue. Having someone that's been in combat on the ticket could nail help nail Trump on his "suckers" and "losers" stuff about the military. Could swing some independents.
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*Would definitely swing independents.
Just voting on personalities, as a disinterested independent, which team are you going to vote for? The young(ish) team with the astronaut and fighter pilot or the one with the geriatric fart that can’t talk?
And you lock in Arizona.
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personally I would not mind obama.
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So the back the blue party of law and order will vote for the cop instead of the convicted felon now.
Just like the religious moral right will vote for the actual church attending catholic rather than the guy who doesn't go to church and doesn't know how to hold a bible upright.
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They should make Hunter Biden the VP pick, what a glorious troll that would be
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I'm not American but want to be in the loop. Media here is saying Kamala Harris is the likely successor. What do people think of her? Is she liked? I assume her actual politics are more or less the same since she was VP.
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People don't know her tbh. She used to be kind of a poor public speaker, but seems to have solved that based on recent appearances. Not gonna lie she's a bit strange if you've ever heard her speak, but I don't think it'll hurt her against Trump who is an all time weirdo in American politics. Importantly she's young and fairly sharp and hasn't been around long enough to have too many skeletons in her closet.
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Well, she's not old enough to be in a nursing home in Florida like Trump and Biden, but at close to 60 years of age, Kamala Harris is definitely not young. AOC would be the Democrats' young candidate.
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No idea who that is....
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MICHIGAN is now back in play
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Can we please just go back to being a backwater that no one cares about, moves to, or drives through? This state was way better back when it was off the map.
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"We're in the endgame now"
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I see so many suggestions for different people to run in bidens place, and I fear that that may lead to enough disunity for Trump to win an Election
Leaves me curious to see how this will play out
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Don't worry: this place doesn't reflect the general american public in any meaningful way. That said, the general american public is probably a bit confused as well.
I'll throw my 2 cents in: Jon Stewart should make a sketch about how he jokingly accepts the candidacy but then it turns out to be official to his "dismay".
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Would be great except for the fact that Jon Stewart himself made a GREAT argument for why the skills to educate and entertain the American public do NOT align with the responsibilities of the office of the president. Those skills DO align with what's needed to successfully address congress, but not with playing the politics game.
He should be the press secretary though
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As long as people aren't stubborn and are willing to compromise, we'll be fine
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Sounds like Kamala Harris is gonna be the next candidate. Biden's already endorsed her and I'm sure there's some superdelegate bullshit going on that will screw other candidates.
It could be the second time the Democrats field an unpopular and disliked female candidate against Trump.
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Do people really feel as sour about Kamala as they did Hilary? Hilary made people feel slimy for voting for her to some degree, she was arrogant and callous.
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Kelly-Harris or Harris-Kelly.
Either one of those combinations stomps Trump into the pavement.
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Does everyone think those space suits are sexy or is it an American thing?
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I wouldn't say sexy. But I'll say this about Kelly;
Mark Kelly is the embodiment of everything that Conservative America thinks it stands for. When white christian families tuck their kids into the bed at night and tell them about people they should be looking up to and idolizing, it's Kelly. War Hero, Fighter Pilot, Astronaut from a family of cops.
The twist that he's a democrat and believes in everything they in reality hate will break MAGA's fucking brain, and (I think) bring in a lot of what I can "non-republican conservatives"; ie, people who are among the 40% of Americans who don't vote because, while they live a christian-conservative lifestyle, they don't necessarily believe in the Republican bullshit.
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Mark is barely an astronaut compared to his twin brother, who has 10x the spaceflight time and actual EVA hours.
Still, I'd love to see a democratic astronaut on the ticket. Someone with affinity for science and earths delicate balance, while also a remarkable military history.
Oh, and he's a senator from ARIZONA. He unseated a Republican after McCains special election.
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Well at least he could graciously withdraw I suppose.
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Party before country. Interesting wording.
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It's very clear that this is how they've run things for quite a while now. It's why Clinton and Biden were the nominees in the first place and why Trump won in 2016 and nearly again in 2020.
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Honest question.
Now that Biden is out, can any Democrat run for election? Or is Kamala it?
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Biden has endorsed Harris.
There's no law governing this. Depends on what the Democratic Party does. May be that it's decided internally on Harris. No way to know for certain.
I expect that we will find out soon, because whoever runs has very little time to do so, so the Democrats cannot screw around here -- they need to get a pick in place quickly and get the campaign moving.
Gretchen Whitmer and Gavin Newsom, the other two frontrunners I've seen mentioned, have previously said that they will not run against Harris if she wants it. So it's probably Harris's call.
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The Democrats officially choose their nominee at the convention (or maybe a virtual vote this year). There will be only one ticket running for the Democrats, but someone other than Harris could try to get selected. It's really unlikely though, as rejecting Harris would be very damaging to the party and two major competitors already said they wouldn't try to run against her.
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Now that Biden is out, can any Democrat run for election?
Yes. In theory.
Or is Kamala it?
Yes. In reality.
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What if he stepped aside today and Harris could run as the incumbent?
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That's not really how the incumbent advantage works. Voters need to see the person as the incumbent and not want to rock the boat.
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I mean, this does create the obvious question - "If Biden is too old to run for President, isn't he too old to be president? Doesn't he care about the safety of America [blah blah Fox News talking points blah]"
I personally think it's fine because the job of President mostly gets done by the team of staffers around the White House, but we'll need a good answer for that question when a reporter asks it
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It would take the sting out of people not warning to vote for the first female president if there already was one.
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Good video short from Peter Baker at the NYTimes
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Wow, what a day!
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Biden and Bernie would be an amazing ticket
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Dumb. All because of a bad night that the media turned into a storm. Real world performance metrics were actually quite good for Joe. The Republican candidate says stuff on par with a semi-comatose baboon every time a microphone is in front of him. Supporters of this are oblivious to how much seething sexism and racism lies just under the surface in the US. This was a big part of how we got into this mess in the first place and why estimates for Hillary's success were so far off. It will be an incredible win if she pulls this off, but it's just not going to happen.
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Joe was 7 points behind in Michigan.
Americans have elected a black president already, and women have held every other level of office.
Everything sounds impossible until it happens.
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It doesn't sound impossible. It makes perfect sense, except look what happened to Hillary. I work in a role where I'm exposed to rural Americans and if you talk to them it's incredible how the subtle prejudices start to come out. Also, polls this early are notoriously off base.
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I dont think we should run a woman because everyone else is sexist. /S
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I don’t know. I think with abortion on the ballot having a woman at the top of the ticket will be a benefit.
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I would rather have gone with biden but whats done is done and im fine moving ahead.
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Well congratulations "liberals", bots, propagandists, defeatists. You win. If Trump had beaten Biden, it would have been Biden's fault, along with the party. Now the party gets to share the blame with you. You lot gambled this for the rest of us. Let's hope your bet pays off. Open your wallets and hit the pavement. If you're a real person and you pitched a fit so this would happen, you got what you wanted. Act like it. Your lobbying won you an obligation to campaign. If you were on social media begging for Biden to quit, now you owe the time you spent here to Harris's campaign (or whomever the fuck they nominate).
You bought it. You own it.
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You must be too young to remember Clinton losing to Trump and rather than “oh this is Clinton and the party’s fault”, they blamed it all on “Bernie bros” despite there being absolutely no data to back it up.
If I’ve learned anything in my decades on this earth, it’s that the DNC will fuck everything up, and they will blame anything bad that happens on the progressive wing of the party.
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I hate the anti-Biden bots and bot-curious types as much as you do. But it was Biden's decision and I doubt anything said on social media influenced that decision. There's the debate performance, the polling data, the fact that he is actually old and isn't going to be able to do two rallies per day for the next 100 days while also doing the job of President. Those were the real world factors that likely influenced Biden more than anything on social media.
I was all in on saying nice things about Biden and trying to downplay the age problem for the next 100 days. Whatever it takes to prevent Trump from getting back into the Whitehouse.
But Kamala Harris has a slightly better chance than Biden. I think young people value identity politics too much... but we got just over 100 days left so we can talk about that later. For now... hello fellow young people, don't you want to be a part of history and vote for the first woman President of the US? Vote Harris!
I'll miss the Dark Brandon memes... but now we're pushing coconut memes? Is that what we're doing now?
Whatever it takes to prevent Trump from getting back into the Whitehouse.
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Not voting for a prosecutor. Guess it's third party again.
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Google project 2025
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I know about Project 2025. I never said I was voting for Trump. But I'm not gonna play along with this "you only have two choices so vote for the lesser evil" shit. The democrats did this to themselves and they should pay the price. They keep fucking up because of all the old people who refuse to give up power and because they think they can play the moral high ground and win.
RBG should have retired when Obama was president so he can appoint another liberal but she died when Trump was president think she was stubborn enough to hold off death. Obama should have appointed another judge when Scalia died but tried to be morally right and allow the next president to choose. Thinking it would be an easy win for Hilary he made a big gamble and lost. Feinstein stayed in office until her death at 90. Fuckin 90! Pelosi is 84 and still in office. These fossils need to get the fuck out of the way and let the people who actually have to live in this reality set the policies.
Why the hell should I reward the people who were the ones to fuck up this country. And yes I know both sides did their part. I see these two parties as the same and voting for either one of them is repeating the cycle.
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This is so incredibly reckless and foolish. Democrats just handed victory to Trump because they seem incapable of party unity. There is no better candidate waiting in the wings and Biden was polling very competitively against Trump.
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He dropped over 2 points to Trump since the debate and I doubt more public appearances from him were gonna help especially since he already committed to another debate. He's outside the margin of error for winning any sunbelt state and losing everywhere in the rustbelt. It's not impossible that he would have won but seems pretty improbable.
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especially since he already committed to another debate.
It's actually the opposite problem. There's wasn't going to be another debate for Biden to potentially redeem himself. Trump wasn't going to do with another debate with him to give him that chance, why would he? He didn't debate anyone in the primaries, because he didn't need to. He wasn't going to give Biden a chance to prove "it was just a bad night."
But with Harris as the candidate, Trump has to do another debate or he'll look weak. In the next debate Trump will look like the guy that's too old. Which he is, just didn't look that way next to Biden.
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It would have taken some big, unexpected developments for him to win at this stage. Especially after the failed assassination attempt invigorated and united Trump's cult further.
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I mean, reading between the lines, something else is wrong with biden. His age wasn’t all that helpful in the current situation, and then he gets sick? If he has only Covid, then we were in for 2+ months of a foggy candidate who already had questionable levels of clarity. No, this is not reckless, this is trying to save the election from an almost assured trump win.
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The only recklessness I see is waiting til the 11th hour to read the writing on the wall. Someone posted in a different thread that Biden even stated in 2019 that he was only going to run a single term. The party leadership has had 4 years to choose a proper successor but chose party over country instead.
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Down 3% is horrible. In swing states, he is losing even worse while Democratic Senators are polling up.
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I just don't understand this with a non-felon, non-rapist candidate. Biden and those Democratic Congressional candidates are running on the same platform.
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Would have been better if he did this last year, would have allowed for a normal primary, rather than the clustefuck that is going to happen over the next month.
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Though even this delayed back out might be what the DNC wanted all along. Primaries in the last two elections showed there are a lot of people who want Bernie or other less-establishment politicians. By waiting so long, they basically get to name whomever they want without pretending they should listen to voters.
“The only thing worse than bad leadership is broken leadership” is a quote from my favorite book, and I can imagine the DNC operating from this perspective. Campaigns and primaries would have broken up the party’s voters, and they might just be banking on whatever call they can make themselves.
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2020 was pretty close and Biden's image hasn't gotten any better and clearly wasn't going to. He was never going to win.
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If you want lockstep unity you get to be fascist, too. Just like the republicans.
The best thing about Dems and libs is their general inclusivity. We want to have everyone to have a voice and a place to exist in the government. Shared control over the direction of the country. We want to exist and have lives free of violence, prejudice and misogyny, among other things, and to be who we are. But that’s also a drawback. Every group has their special interest. That’s hard to work with. If they don’t feel that their special interest has been advanced in some way they tend to sit on their hands. Vote third party. Not vote at all. We have a LOT of people all pulling in slightly different directions at the same time.
The republicans? They really have only one simple agenda, and that’s god, guns, and fuck the liberal agenda. And they show up to vote to do just that.
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It seems reckless, but the people who were pushing it were party insiders and big donors like George Clooney. I am not sure if it was a good idea, but I figure they must see things we don't.
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Nope, they just have money we don't have
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Disliked Biden, hate Kamala. Voted for them. Kamala and anyone else, nope.
They need someone hopey and feely like a 2008 Obama. If they don't find that, the Dems are toast. And I can't think of any mainstream politician that could get that reaction apart from maybe AOC. But that would get just as many MAGAs on the other side out to vote and they'd still lose.
You need empowering Democrat that is neutral to the MTG loving republicans.
Maybe Newsom? But if I had to bet it will be Kamala and another woman or minority to get the double whammy and they'll surely lose.
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Good. So long Genocide Joe.
Edit: To the neoliberals downvoting this, this is what your denial is supporting. Joe Biden is pro-genocide and so is anyone who supports him. There's not even a practical reason to support him at this point, which is very telling to anyone still defending him.
Fuck zionism. And fuck anyone who thinks Biden is a "good guy" or moral by any stretch of the word.
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You're incredibly short sighted. Anyone from both parties is still going to insure Israel is an ally.
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And possibly hello convicted felon, rapist, racist, Putin/Orban boot licker, veteran hater, who has had everyone remotely competent who's previously worked for him leave and say what a horrible person he is to the presidency elect. Or sorry does that not rhyme as well?
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Don’t forget insurrectionist treasonous mutherfucker
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All this is true and Biden was still projected to lose to him, which says a lot about who the party leaders are grooming for the office. You should direct your anger at them not the people who're having these terrible candidates foisted upon us. Imagine if they'd actually picked a likeable candidate back in 2016 and relegated Trump to the simple laughing stock that he is.
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Lmao wait until Trump gives Netanyahu the green light to erase Palestine. Got what you wanted I guess. Hope you are prepared to do some more protesting, oh wait he will probably throw you lot in jail or deport for protesting unlike Biden. Reap what you sow.
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Netanyahu already got the greenlight. Anyone who's been paying attention to what's happening in Gaza would know that.
There is no difference between Trump and Biden when it comes to their support of genocide. Biden is not more "moderate", he's fully onboard and has provided everything Netanyahu needs to continue his war crimes. The difference is Biden is a democrat, which means that he needs to be held to democrat standards, not republican ones. If he's not then the party is functionally the same as the GOP and pretending there's a difference is pointless.
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You must realize that just like Reddit, this sub is far left leaning. It's pointless to post anything that goes against the echo chamber.
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The left is not in support of Israel. While it's true that there isn't much of a MAGA/nazi element on Lemmy like on Reddit, there is a fairly large neoliberal demographic. As well as a growing contingency of Israeli, Russian, and Chinese bots as those groups realize that Lemmy is growing as reddit continues to wane.
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