Youtube added shorts to the subscriptions page, pushing the subscriptions almost entirely off the page...
I prefer "list" view over grid view. Switching to grid view shows six videos before the break, but significantly less information about the video.
God, Youtube has gone to shit lately.
Lately in this context, meaning about the last 15 or so years.
They added sort from oldest back! wooooooo. One step forward after being launched backwards into a pile of shit.
uBlock Origin makes this easy:
| Instructions | Screenshot |
|---|---|
| 1. Find a Shorts section on the page | |
| 2. Select the element picker in uBlock Origin | |
| 3. Select the Shorts section | |
| 4. Click "Create" | |
| 5. Enjoy |
You can also use the "zap" feature. Just use the lightning bolt icon to the left of the eyedropper and it'll skip step 4. I also found this to work better because selecting shorts ended up always selecting the entire videos section as well.
I would recommend clicking Preview before Create. You know what will be removed before creating a rule is better.
There are pre-made filterlists that deal with annoyances like this (which tend to end up more reliable as tools that randomize/minify CSS classes get widely adopted), not just on YT but the wider web as a whole. I've written about how to set them up here: https://blahaj.zone/@ShittyKopper/pages/usable-web if you want to take a look at it
This is a great resource, thank you very much!
OMG thank you ☺️
Some more filters for blocking Shorts from YT can be found here.
I did this years ago when it was added to home, not seen shorts since. Good guide.
Wow cool feature!
I can't thank you enough.
Does this work consistenyl? I tried that with Pinterest's login popup and it doen't work (the element changes every time you enter the site). I ended up adding a filter to remove all Pinterest results from all my searches.
You can hide segments like that with ublock, fwiw. It's been really useful to me for these kinds of changes every single website seems to be pushing these days.
I dont know where I have it from (I think somone on reddit posted it), but I use this in the uBlock Origin Filter since 8 month and it removes all my shorts from the subscription:
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www.youtube.com##ytd-guide-renderer a.yt-simple-endpoint path[d^="M10 14.65v-5.3L15 12l-5 2.65zm7.77-4.33"]:upward(ytd-guide-entry-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-mini-guide-renderer a.yt-simple-endpoint path[d^="M10 14.65v-5.3L15 12l-5 2.65zm7.77-4.33"]:upward(ytd-mini-guide-entry-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-browse #dismissible ytd-rich-grid-slim-media[is-short]:upward(ytd-rich-section-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="home"] .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-rich-item-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="subscriptions"] .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-grid-video-renderer,ytd-rich-item-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-search .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-video-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-watch-next-secondary-results-renderer .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-compact-video-renderer,ytd-shelf-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-watch-next-secondary-results-renderer ytd-reel-shelf-renderer www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="subscriptions"] ytd-video-renderer .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-item-section-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="channels"] #contents.ytd-reel-shelf-renderer:upward(ytd-item-section-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="trending"] .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-video-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-search #contents ytd-reel-shelf-renderer m.youtube.com##ytm-reel-shelf-renderer m.youtube.com##ytm-pivot-bar-renderer div.pivot-shorts:upward(ytm-pivot-bar-item-renderer) m.youtube.com##ytm-browse ytm-item-section-renderer ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer[data-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytm-video-with-context-renderer) m.youtube.com##ytm-browse ytm-item-section-renderer ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer[data-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytm-compact-video-renderer) m.youtube.com##ytm-search ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer[data-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytm-compact-video-renderer) m.youtube.com##ytm-single-column-watch-next-results-renderer ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer span:has-text(/^(0:\d\d|1:0\d)$/):upward(ytm-video-with-context-renderer)
It will sure break in a couple of month again. It did 8 Month ago and I am sure YT will change the code again at some point.
I do not trust having to many FF Extensions installed from some rando from the Internet, so I like this solution better.
I dont know where I have it from
Maybe from here: https://letsblock.it/filters/youtube-shorts
path[d^="M10 14.65v-5.3L15 12l-5 2.65zm7.77-4.33"]
Some of those rules are OK, but the path rules will be pretty flaky since they're relying on a particular shape (like an icon or something) being present on the page.
Also with a browser extension. Wikihow has a page on how to do it 5 different ways.
yep, I use this on Firefox currently
I found youtube in particular to use very generic functionq that are used in other places so blocking something small ends up blocking other things, iirc from the long time ago that I wasn't using piped, blocking youtube premium prompt broke comments or something along those lines
Also DeArrow extension is really good for removing the clickbait thumbnails and replaces them with a simple still from the video itself. It also removes Emojis and special characters from the titles.
Other essential extensions for YouTube for me are (1) sponsorblock and (2) enhancer for YouTube.
DeArrowing is the thing I didn't know I needed. Thanks!
Anyone using Arc who needs a boost to block all YouTube bloat, let me know. I created one for myself but haven’t submitted it to the gallery. It hides shorts, suggested search results and some other crap.
I will also recommend blocktube extension.
I use rehike personally, it has the old layout so shorts are barely shown
I dunno when it happened but there was a time before clickbait and in-video ads. That was the good time.
You can also hide these segments by just clicking the X in the top right corner. It'll hide the shelf (I think that's how YouTube calls them) for 30 days.
The new slider replacement.
Youtube added shorts to subscription, and i added Youtube-shorts block to firefox.
Nice one
Same. They can try as much as they want to make it happen, but if people don't want it, people don't want it no matter how much they force them.
I hate this format of content so much. An automatically reloading, never ending stream of snippets that are hardly informative even if they try. Fucking looks like they are trying to hypnotize us.
Oh wait, they absolutely are. Stop thinking about not being able to afford a living even though you bust your ass of everyday. Stop worrying about the climate. Get a new iphone and obediently watch citizen.
Trying to hop on that ADHD train.
This is not a defense of TikTok style short form content. It's just that from time to time, I do enjoy the shorter style videos. Like when I have 5 minutes to kill, watch a few short videos and be on my way.
What I really don't like is that if you choose the app and the last thing you watched was a short, it opens right back up to to Shorts. Very annoying.
Yeah I occasionally use Instagram and look at reels. Sometimes it's fun to catch the one snippet from a comedy sketch instead of watching the whole thing.
That said, I wouldn't miss anything if I deleted it tomorrow.
Plus they commit the biggest sin possible in video...VERTICAL VIDEO. I hate this garbage trend of everything being designed for phones. Vertical videos suck. They are terrible to watch on desktop. You can rotate your phone sideways, you can't rotate your TV, laptop, monitor, projector, etc. vertical (at least not most of the time).
I just hate how much functionality the Shorts player loses compared to the regular Youtube player. They seriously made their product worse to imitate a competitor? Who asked for this?
The shareholders.
I swear that these board of director types are some of the most dense and out of touch people on the planet. It's crazy how we reward them for their stupidity in exchange for their unbridled greed.
I think the UX team is banking on user psychology. Majority of users don't want functionality, they want familiarity. They should feel like they are watching Tiktok.
We should remember that we power users are a minority in social media.
Checkout the Youtube-shorts-block extension which gives shorts the same UI as normal youtube videos.
Basically what the extension does is replace the parts in the URL youtube.com/shorts/"video-id" to youtube.com/watch?v="video-id"
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/shorts/
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub.
And funnily, the shorts player on mobile has some of those features.
Who asked for this?
Either Susan Wojcicki (ex-YT CEO), Neal Mohan (current YT-CEO) or Sundar Pichai (Google CEO)
I'm afraid it boils down to the significant amount of users, who asked or "asked" for this. Shorts is crazy popular.
Fuck YouTube shorts. It's infuriating that YouTube doesn't provide us an option to remove all traces of that fuckin cancer from the platform.
My biggest issue is so many of the people I sub that have shorts, the shorts are their normal videos but only a small clip of it. I dont want that, Im already watching the videos!
Agreed. Some of the YouTubers I watch have said that YouTube is forcing them to make shorts because their videos won't be shown to people if they don't. A couple are even doing a bit of malicious compliance and taking the piss out of YouTube Shorts because they hate it as much as we do.
If we wanted short clips, we'd be on TikTok damnit!
Press the X? Gotcha! I'll remove shorts for 30 days or until you come back without cookies in 10 minutes.
I don't mind YouTube shorts usually, although my TikTok feed is far better. But last week, my YouTube app started opening to the shorts tab. Infuriating. I'll watch a short if it piques my interest, but that's not what I'm going to YouTube for.
Just add this line to the "My Filters" section for the uBlock Origin extension.
www.youtube.com###content > .ytd-rich-section-renderer.style-scope
My original mastadon post has screenshots with red guide marks in case this is confusing:
There's an even more extensive filter list for hiding shorts here: https://letsblock.it/filters/youtube-shorts
This is like going to the drug store to an inhaler but their entrance takes you through the perfume section to get to the pharmacy.
My local shoppers drug mart does this…
Ah, you've been to shoppers drug mart in Canada I see
I don't get why everyone is so mad about this. When I saw it yesterday, I was glad they finally put them into a separate box I can just scroll past. Before, Shorts were just mixed in between the normal videos in the subscription feed and that was fucking awful.
And before that, they were in a separate section like they are now, but it had a thing you could click to hide that section entirely for 30 days.
Just because it's less bad than the previous thing doesn't mean it's good.
YouTube shorts are awful. Most of them are just incomplete YouTube videos.
I don't remember them ever in a separate section on the subscription page. Maybe it was just one of google's A/B testing for some people or I just hid them immediately and forgot. :-)
Would be better if it was possible to hide it, like in home feed. I don't want to see shorts in my subscription feed. It takes so much space.
I tested with ublock origin (firefox), removing the shorts section via adblock works.
I actually liked when they were together in single box, everything was ordered from newest to oldest and I had extension that redirected shorts to normal player. With separated boxes I feel like there isn't enough space and now the shorts don't get the 'watched red bar' so I don't know right away which shorts I've already seen, I'm forced to remember the thumbnails now which is annoying.
I do wish they give customization options, so users can decide how to actually use youtube.
oh they moved it finally? i couldnt stand a feed full of annoying shorts making it harder to find actual videos i wanted to watch. i been using an extension for a while and cant go back to what it was then. if at least they are confined to a seperate list its not so bad
I guess your screen isn't 1366x768
This 100%
Welcome to the worlds best anti-monopoly education. See just why monopolies suck in real time!
Monopolies are problematic, of course, but it's more than that. Monopolies, especially in the luxury space, still have to compete with consumers making the choice to not consume at all.
It's more nefarious than that. This is a symptom of "you are the product, not the paying customer". You get absolutely no say in how to product is used, and worse, your experience will actively be harmed if it means the real client, advertisers, get more value extracted out of you.
Y'all just sheep walking happily into the slaughterhouse, thinking the farmer is here to feed and shelter you, and it's just missfortune that the farmer has to put you in some dirty cages, when in fact, the farmer does this intentionally because it's more profitable that way.
Having two factory farms (TikTok) doesn't make the conditions for the animals better. In fact maybe it even makes it worse, as the farms compete to cut costs.
The real solution is a new buisness model. Organic farms... Or payed video platforms, where the solution provider builds the software for the user, not advertisers.
I think we've passed the point where any non-free service could compete with a free one. The short term gains of shoving ads in everyone's face is in full force.
I do think in the future when these companies have burned through every ounce of investor money we'll go back to paid services, but I think that's a decade out or more. There already exists a few paid services similar to YouTube such as diet quibi Dropout, Nebula, and Floatplane (I think it's premium), and I think those will serve as the models for future services.
They're all rather affordable and their models are setup for people that want to follow creators (nebula and Floatplane) or for people that want to follow specific shows (dropout). They don't advertise to you, there are no sponsor spots, and they're always working to improve their platforms for the user. Hell, in a recent episode on dropout, the CEO admitted that their player had issues that they wanted to fix completely unprompted.
Hopefully future services will model themselves in a similar way, of not an improved formula, but again I think it's a long way out
Well then stop using the platform if you arent happy with it. Everyone else doesnt care
Anyone get an update on for their TV app this week?
Went from having reasonably-sized thumbnails, to these over-sized ones where only like 2.5 of them fit horizontally and less than 1.5 of them fit vertically. They are obnoxiously huge which means to see what videos are in your feed you have to do a ton of needless scrolling.
Just a week ago, it wasn't like this - I think you could see 4 horizontally and 3 vertically before which is perfect for a living room experience.
My favorite part is that there is no way to make any adjustments. If you are going to change something like this, at least let me change it back. WTF?
It is ridiculous! I'm sure it'll do little good but I sent some feedback at https://www.youtube.com/tv/feedback
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/tv/feedback
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub.
Yes and that is so fucking annoying. Whag a degen ui designers on yt
I fucking hate shorts so much. I completely blocked them:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-shorts-block/ https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/youtube-shorts-block/jiaopdjbehhjgokpphdfgmapkobbnmjp
It's amazing how much YouTube doesn't understand what people do and don't like about TikTok
I honestly can't figure out what anyone actually likes about tiktok. I installed it and after 30 minutes was annoyed with the autoplaying and having things just forced on me. I want to choose what to play. All the time, I hate anything anywhere that autoplays, and I don't understand how anyone actually enjoys that. Its like being told that being poked in the eye with a needle was really popular.
Reduced the amount of videos per row too, had to find a ublock filter for that one.
If anyone is interested: https://pastebin.com/raw/SMVYXFHe
It’s sad having a front row seat to The Internet slowly killing itself.
the ad based internet, as it is today was never supposed to work as some people will always block ads meaning more ads pushed to regular users and thus more people using adblock until we hit the break-even point and the site is forced to shut down or do the enshitification thing
The thing is that video hosting is very expensive and only large companies like Google/YouTube can afford to do it at anywhere near their scale. You need multiple copies of every video all around the world to ensure they play well for users, with no buffering, and that much infra (servers, storage, high-quality bandwidth rather than just using Cogent everywhere, etc) costs a lot.
How is it that such a shitty site/corporation has continued to maintain a grip on this market? Why aren't we inundated with viable alternatives?
Hosting video is expensive?
Also fighting copyright claims from the music and movie industry is even more expensive and difficult.
Microsoft (with their Azure) has more than enough storage space. They got CDNs and video streaming technologies (that anyone can use in their own products). But they've still given up their own music streaming service and public video upload service.
there's peertube and odyssey but idk how viable either of them are long term. peertube at least is decentralized, not sure if odyssey is too or not
i know Louis Rossmann also posts on Odyssey
Because it has all the good content. The creators are what makes watching YouTube so fun, not the site itself.
Peertube works.
Honestly this is better than it was - prior to this change the shorts were just mixed in with the regular videos ... now at least you can scroll past them and see only videos.
Shorts are cancer yes?
Boy am I glad I have the extension that makes shorts invisble
May I ask which extension you are running?
Have you tried pockettube? it allows yyou to create categories so you can bunch your channels together. It's pretty cool.
Check out Piped, Invidious, Newpipe and Libretube! ;)
I'm gonna look into getting some PC client. I already have Revanced, Libretube and Newpipe on my phone.
If you are okay with a website Piped or Invidious could do the trick
They also still seem to run user-testing on hiding these sections for 30 days. I had this option a few months ago, then it vanished and today it was back again. Maybe enough people are still actively hiding it so that YouTube still doesn't fully commit to shorts. Let's hope it stays that way, they are annoying and I couldn't care less about another Instagram cat video algorithm.
I'd be open to trying shorts but the video player is intentionally awful. No volume control nor the ability to rewind. Why!?
For me the hide option only appears on the home page version of shorts. I'm stuck with this shit in my subscription feed
I wish they would give us a user setting to completely hide shorts from ever showing. I have never watched a short and I will never watch a short. It’s just not the type of content for me. If I wanted TikTok style videos, I would download TikTok. It’s crazy how much stuff YouTube tries to cram down your throat even as a premium subscriber.
Edit: also just a great example of companies jumping on a bandwagon to make a quick buck. YouTube is a well established video hosting and streaming service, they didn’t need to spend how every many millions of dollars adding shorts (not that they would have bothered spending that money on the user/creator experiences anyways)
You can yeet with plugin
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-shorts-block/
Ooh this will be a nice add on for desktop, Ty Ty
I agree with you so much. The only time I ever click on shorts are accidents. I hate them. I don't use instagram, tiktok, anything like that. I don't want to see shorts. They are horribly crammed and well, way too short. Leave me alone and stop autoplaying on my tv.
I highly suggest using Enhancer for YouTube, it allows you to hide shorts and also convert them to normal video player so you can seek them like any other YouTube video.
There's also multitude of different customisation options, you can hide related videos, change default comment order, disable comments altogether, expand the description ;)
https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/enhancer-for-youtube/ https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/enhancer-for-youtube/ponfpcnoihfmfllpaingbgckeeldkhle https://microsoftedge.microsoft.com/addons/detail/enhancer-for-youtube%E2%84%A2/dlgfaleeejmphhnemjgiaekdbonkagkd
You just put me on sir. I have been using piped instead because of all the clutter yt was putting in.
I wish this worked on the mobile browser
There's always ReVanced, at least on Android ;)
https://github.com/revanced/revanced-manager/releases/latest
Worse, they have started playing Shorts without my consent as soon as I open the app.
I don't feel fond of participating in mindnumbing TikTok worship.
I prefer my own, different mindnumbing activities thank you very much.
If you're on Android check out ReVanced. It lets you patch YouTube to disable shorts and even get rid of all ads, bring back dislikes, and sponsorblock. Just have to get an apk since it can't handle stock installs, and also microg_vanced for login. No root required.
If you're on Android, I recommend NewPipe to watch YT. Otherwise, stick to invidious instances, like https://inv.tux.pizza
Worse: When you watch a short that appeared in your search results, all related videos are general shorts and NOT more search results. It's too distracting, and for a person with ADHD such as myself, it kills my productivity. 🤬
Well anyway yt search result shows 3-5 relevant results then some shitty sexually suggestive videos with "People also watch this" whuch have zero relation with what I search and further scrolling shows the first 3-5 results again then loop forever
This is the experience on mobile idk web tho
I would say *it's time to federate", but the path to monetization is nonexistent. Production value costs money and there should at least be a way to make that back. But as with open source software regarding monetization, federated platforms are overtly anti-monetization, demanding there be no ads, paid subscription or any integrated payment that is linked to the actual content (for analytics and tax purposes, which is key if you want to run it as a business).
The general consensus I seem to get from tankies and anarchists on Matrix and here on the fediverse is that they don't want anyone who makes any money to take part, thereby creating a "boys club" specifically catering to their whims.
A bit of an aside, I know, but I thought it should be said.
Framing anti-monetization as a "tankie and anarchist" stanice is a bit disengenuos. I know that hosting costs money, but this can be handled through donations.
Not everything on the internet needs to be a for-profit venture, archive.org and Wikimedia work just fine as donations supported NGOs.
No, not everything. Just the things people want to sell and hopefully through smaller platforms in a decentralised manner rather than being corralled into a massive, centralised platform. You know, people who do it for a living, who'd like to eat food and be independent rather than being stuck in some dreary ass company or under the thumb of Google. Ever consider that?
Like if I put $200,000 into a piece of work I need to have some guarantees. I can't put years of my life into a project that I need to make money off of, give it out for free and hope for donations. That's insane.
Yeah pretty much, quality of community spirals downwards very fast as money becomes a bigger factor. I'm one of the anarchists you mentioned though. I have no interest in monetization of the fediverse and would be willing to change instances or platforms if they allowed that.
Its also funny that you mention it as a "boys club", because in this situation the only people we're explicitly excluding is capitalists. So like, a "workers club" which yeah I dont want to be part of communities that cater to capitalists and capitalism. Content creators can use patron or other more direct methods of earning from content they post here. Capitalist middlemen profiting off of ad placement be damned.
I follow a few YouTubers that took off ads once they had a Patreon up, and that has to be my favorite way to do it.
I was referring to tankies and anarchists on Matrix - not as a major qualifier. Libre is important, but saying that integrating payment systems and such into software or services as either immoral, unethical or predatory is disingenuous at best.
But you've proven one thing: you are definitely apart of that boys club, no matter your political leanings.
Btw, I'm a social democrat and I'm very pro-integrity and anti-predatory. But we're cutting off our left hand to spite out right, meaning we've created a sterile environment where there is no possibility for content creators or commercial developers to monetize without jumping through hoops.
There is something to be said about dark design patterns within UX, but the belligerent and stubborn disposition that all monetization is bad monetization is the folly of a one-track mind.
One simple difference between a federated "video service" and stuff like mastodon/lemmy/etc. would be the vast quantity of bandwidth and storage required if the service got successful could push this well beyond goodwill and crowdfunding efforts. The amount of active user a single dollar (or whatever currency really) can support for a text based service, even with image hosting, is way higher than a video streaming service like youtube.
PeerTube is a federated video service, and one that's been around longer than Lemmy.
It gets around this problem by using Peer-to-Peer tech. Essentially, when you go on the site it uses your machine to send data to multiple other users, like how torrents work. The server still needs to exist, but load is lessened by offloading it to clients who seed data to others.
Linux Experiment has been doing a mixed model for a while, and asks reasonably well for Patreon patrons to front the majority of the bill. And frankly, that might be the way forward. Creators putting their introductory content on Peertube and then their best content on curiosity streams. Introduce themselves on the free platform, get the money on the paid platform. But they're always going to at least want to put some content on the easily monetizable platform that's ad funded, and I think that's fine, to be honest. Maybe they even want a three tier model. Intro stuff on Peertube, some of their premium content on YouTube as a preview for what you get if you pay extra, and then the best stuff on the paid platform. You'll see some people who jump from Peertube straight to paying the creator directly, but people always have varying degrees of caring about this stuff and different motivations, and for content creators who really have to put a lot into videos to stand out even just a little, they need to find the model that makes them the most money
What if we host the videos at 144p then have the client use ai upscaling to 4k?
No matter how good an AI is, it cannot restore details that were lost. It can approximate them, but if you have a 4k photo of a piece of paper with a small stick figure drawn on it and compress it to 144p, you will have a gray blob in its place at best or just nothing.
The most advanced AI from 50 years into the future would still not be able to restore the original stick figure.
Ads are horrible and always ruins the experience severely, since there are never enough ads on a page for the producer to be happy.
I'm not against being a subscriber but I only do that for services that are extreamly useful, like search and email.
The point of Lemmy as a federated platform is that the cost is shared between many people. If hundreds of instance admins pay 10 dollars per month, it's easily manageable. But if one instance becomes huge and needs to pay 10000 dollars per month, there is an issue for that instance, not the Lemmy network.
Uhm... software and content creation? Exclude ads, fine. But I'd like to get paid for my work and that you won't get your hands on my work until you pay me. If read the words "donate" or "honour system" in your reply I'm going to lose my shit.
And again, I'm not talking about paying for the platform, but for some content. Some content costs money to make, and people work for the money they put in and may naturally want returns. Why is that a bad thing? Why is people getting paid for their work a bad thing?
I'll tell you what's bad: people being dependant upon major platforms because it's the only place to make money. It's a self fulfilling prophecy giving way to much power and influence to the big corporations. Why wouldn't you want to decentralise that?0
I need you to understand that markets and selling products or services is not what defines capitalism. Capitalism is modern usury, i.e virtual liquidity, like central banks printing money they don't have, loans upon loans on the glimmer in the milkman's eye.
Do not let capitalists co-opt the concept of markets and money. Okay?
Additionally, we will never see adoption in the fediverse or in open source without monetization. People want commercial products and media. By preventing any access of it on a purely ideological and zealous level because you don't like it screws all of us.
Do I want a libre system? Yes! Do I mind a UUID for my hardware provided by the kernel? No! Do I want Ableton Live on Linux? Fríggin' yes! Do people who develop software and media need to pay rent, buy food, pay employees? Heck yes! Will most users gravitate towards platforms that provide all this? You bet your sweet bippy!
Again, I feel zealous demagogues so lost in mainstream disinformation and yankie psy-ops have really become a wet blanket over all liberating technologies.
Some guy on Matrix said that "letting people pay for exclusive content on a platform is akin to DRM"... like removed, you mean paying for someone's work? "Oh, you can just donate and then give the content out for free"... like how is a content creator supposed to operate on that? Even Patreon is it self a video platform with exclusive videos and people make a living off that!
But NOOOOOO! We gotta let the fríggin' liberals (right-wing) and capitalist screw us in one ear so our brain falls out the other, to completely dominate these markets ON THEIR FUCKING TERMS just because a mind bogglingly childish disposition like "money bad" makes regular people disinterested and even concerned upon the point of cringe.
What do you expect? We start trading goats for wicker baskets again, or is that also "capitalism"? Or do you hope that society will automatically jump to a Trekkien utopia over the weekend if we just hope hard enough? Goddamn it pisses me off that people are this uneducated.
Thank the heavens that Flatpak will support payment systems in the future. Maybe then we can FINALLY get some commercial software that cost a lot of money to develop in the first place on to libre platforms so anyone, literally anyone other than the closed minded demagogues and zealots might be interested in making the switch from PREDATORY CAPITALIST BASED SYSTEMS LIKE WINDOWS AND MACOS over to libre ones.
Maybe then this fucking boys club will reseed into the egocentric, chest thumping, brain rotting, narcecistic matrix chats, where the circle jerk can continue in a zoo like controlled environment.
God, I'm getting an anurism over here. So many have fallen for the Okey doke, and I gotta sit and explain why paying for a product is okay and not what capitalism is about. Shoot me.
If you use Ublock you can use this filter to clean Shorts from Youtube (FTR you only need 2 lines near the bottom that have the word 'short' in them, but Lemmy formatting is balls so it's all or nothing):
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Good thing ublock origin exists, shorts are awful
Depends. It's a good alternative when you don't want to follow people on TikTok. Hank and John Green do shorts, there's a Maine lobsterman who does great shorts, there's a couple of people who do very funny Heaven/Hell skits...
Nah, they're awful. Your explanation is like someone saying, "Nazis are awful," and you saying "Depends. Fritz had me over for dinner and him and his wife are pretty nice, and Hanz is good defense for a game of footie."
Just because there are exceptions to the rule, doesn't make the entire format, as a whole, not awful. The idea, right down to its core of being 1) easily accessible 2) quickly digestible and 3) easy to market with turns it into a party where everyone is jumping around saying "Hey, hey! Look at me! Looook at meeeeeee! Please give me your attention!"
This is why 50% of TikTok users surveyed said that videos over one minute long are stressful for them, it's completely devastated people's attention spans.
But this still ignores the ultimate cardinal sin of video content: forcing the vertical aspect ratio in order to facilitate easier scrolling, even though OUR BINOCULAR VISION IS OPTIMIZED FOR WIDESCREEN VIEWING.
Ok don't get me wrong (fuck shorts, they're a terrible follow of a trend across so many platforms), but at least on mobile it seems like they're shorts from people I subscribe to 🤷♂️ so I'm cool with supporting the folks I subscribe to, I guess
This feels like an ad, I use premium and they should give us the option to hide it
I also have premium. I really like it. But this is just shoveling shit in my face.
There really is no avoiding tic tok is there?
Even creators I used to respect started creating this adhd-friendly nonsense with 0 educational value.
I can’t imagine how someone born today is going to grow up to be a functional human being. All the big corporations are controlling every single little thing they see.
It's not ADHD friendly at all...
I can’t imagine how someone born today is going to grow up to be a functional human being. All the big corporations are controlling every single little thing they see.
This is kind of the point. The less people think, the less they will question corporations.
Youtube is so aesthetically and functionally unappealing nowadays, I lose interest in browsing even my own subs. I don't care what users "like me" are watching nor what I "might like". The only way to see my subs vids is with Piped.
If you happen to use any user script extension already (like Violentmonkey) or don't want to use a dedicated extension to fix stupid design decisions, I can recommend https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/405614-youtube-polymer-engine-fixes.
At first shorts were pretty neat, now they're the same shovel-ware from TikTok. I literally see copy/paste TikToks with the stupid follow animation every few videos, or subway surfer videos that progressively takeover the bottom of the screen with every short. Actual cancer now.
YouTube shorts feel like a weird attempt to enter a market that YouTube doesn't really fit. I understand the business philosophy behind it, but I wish they would prioritize improvements to their main services over their side projects.
The original idea for Youtube was "make your own tv shows" so it wasn't really intended for highbrow entertainment, infotainment, etc. Then they started promoting videos that were longer format, so the "watch my sister go splat trying to jump in the pool" videos got replaced by how-tos, unboxing, and explainers. Then tiktok came along and Youtube is trying to turn itself into "watch my sister go splat in 60 seconds or less."
It's sad that with the concentration of developers and creatives at their disposal -- not to mention the financial resources -- they can't innovate something beyond tiktok. Instead of tagging along after a trend and wind up looking like an old geezer dressing up like a 16 year old.
Shorts are nothing but thirst traps for me. Damn it's hard not to click, but I regret it every time I do. There's never actually good content in them.
That format was fine, actually, since it chucked all the shorts into a single row, then you can scroll by them easily. My sub page has gone back to interspersing them in-line with normal videos and it’s massively infuriating.
Fix: use newpipe on mobile and invidious on PC
No algorithms, chronological order from subscriptions , no shorts
There is also FreeTube as a standalone program for linux/win/mac too, I really enjoy it.
Laughs in revanced
Laughs in NewPipe
To get rid of Shorts without any extensions, this tip works for the mobile app, I presume it works for Web too.
Click on the 3 dots by a Short and select "Not interested" or similar. Repeat this until every Short in the section is gone. Now the whole section disappears and stays this way. It hasn't come back yet for me since I did this a few weeks ago.
This used to work. The latest block of shorts that they added in the subscriptions page that is not removable.
I use Youtube via the channels RSS feeds. If there is a short I mark it as read and read on.
I'm gonna have to set something up to hide the thirst trap shorts of the girl who plays guitar poolside in either just a bra or braless in a thin light colored shirt. I just want videos from old dudes who teach me how to make pedal circuits.
I'm sure she's good, but god, sometimes I wonder about her mental health. I know she actively uploads those videos, but what does it feel like needing to objectify yourself to try to get people to notice your talent? And also if I wanted a thirst trap video of someone playing guitar, goddammit, I want 3 minutes to rock out to
I don't mind people being in the business of being sexy. I just don't go to YouTube for that. I mainly use my YouTube on a living room HTPC. I go out of my way to keep a clean recommendation profile so I don't have to explain embarrassing videos that pop up when I have people over. YouTube just really wants me to see her.
we really want the TikTok audience
Oh dear. I still see a screenful of normal videos before that batch. Hopefully it remains like so for me. I wonder if free users see ads on that page as well.
I am just blocking that tiktok shit with browser extension.
Newpipe. Libretube Free tube
https://github.com/Vulpelo/hide-youtube-shorts
this works for me
I just installed the Youtube-shorts block extension which is available for both chrome & firefox. Between that and still using a revanced patched youtube apk hopefully I never have to see shorts again.
I haven't used that page even once after started using pocket tube extension.
damn you cant even hide them like you can on mobile that sucks.
I do not see a way to hide them on mobile.
There was one of the buttons up in the corner like there is for videos where you can tell it not interested. Like 3 days ago I was very annoyed because they threw them up at the very top of my YouTube apps home page and idk how it is on a regular phone, but on the fold 3 the shorts section takes up like 3/4 of the screen. If you're looking for one in the subscription page, I don't actually use that page tbh but I just checked and yeah there's not one there.