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JD Vance opposes military aid, NATO membership for Ukraine. He's now Trump's VP pick

kyivindependent.com JD Vance opposes military aid, NATO membership for Ukraine. He's now Trump's VP pick

Former U.S. President and Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump selected Ohio Senator J.D. Vance as his running mate on July 15. The 39-year-old conservative, whose fame ballooned after the publication of his 2016 memoir "Hillbilly Elegy," was announced as Trump's pick for vice president on ...

Vance is one of Trump's most vocal supporters and an outspoken critic of U.S. aid to Ukraine.

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Vance has said that it would be "completely irresponsible" for Ukraine to join NATO. He has also argued for the U.S. to focus solely on preventing Chinese expansion, even if that means sacrificing sovereign Ukrainian lands to Russia.

"Any peace settlement is going to require some significant territorial concessions from Ukraine, and you're gonna have a peace deal, because that's the only way out of the conflict," Vance said in February.

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Yes, that's kind of a pre-requisite to being on Putin's payroll...
- He's clearly on Peter Theil's payroll. Theil personally bankrolled Vance's senate campaign and was the only one Theil funded that was successful.
  If you keep making up conspiracy theories that every Republican takes orders from Putin, you're going to miss their actual agenda. Shit like Project2025 isn't Putin's agenda. Thats a Koch project. Theil's got his own techno libertarian eugenicist project that Vance is an acolyte of.

"Non interventionist
"Fully supports israel"
Meme candidates gonna meme

Another Russian stoogie.
- Not everyone who disagrees with war or your position on it is deep throating Putin.
  
  But someone that blatantly argues for Russia's benefit probably has some ulterior motives. Doesn't have to be deep throating Putin, money will probably do.
  
  They have Putin's cock firmly up their ass but they tell themselves it's just a turd.
  
  Some of them just hate Ukranians for no reason?

This presupposes he believes in anything. I haven’t read it because everyone said it was garbage but I’m pretty sure he wrote his memoir about “Appalachia” when he grew up near Dayton, OH.
- He also cosplayed a poor person to speak to rich people about how "We poor people have horrible habits!" in what I can only refer to as a minstrel show for the privileged.
  
  That's a pretty good description.
- He also cosplayed a poor person to speak to rich people about how "We poor people have horrible habits!" in what I can only refer to as a minstrel show for the privileged.
- I haven't read it either. There is however a If Books Could Kill episode about it that is very worth listening to.
  
  I find it weird that his teacher pushed him to write his memoires in college. Who writes his memoires this early and why would a teacher push him to?
- I read it. It was not garbage, it contains useful insights. I recommend that people read it to understand politics. BUT, NOTE, CAVEAT: Approach it with your critical thinking cap on. The author is an unreliable narrator, which is unorthodox in a work of non-fiction.
  
  "Unreliable narrator [...] in a work of non-fiction" is a fascinating way to say, "liar".

I've been on the outside observing this escalating shit show for 8 years now and I think I've finally reached the point where I don't even have the words to convey what I feel about the current state of American politics.
I mean, I know there's a lot of history behind it etc., but just the past months? I don't even..
I hope shit gets better for ya'll, I sincerely do.
- don’t even have the words to convey what I feel about the current state of American politics.
  It's just fascism, volks.
- Don't worry. It won't. As an American, I too have reached that point as well.
  
  Still rooting for all the millions of you that I know are awesome people, but ..yeah.
- Don't worry about it, a lot of us in the US feel the same. I'm just tired, boss.
- Putin is behind all of it
  
  He's not. He didn't put a gun to the head of the judges que made the president immune to prosecution. He didn't punt a gun to the politicians denying climate change. He didn't call on Trump's followers to storm the US capitol. All of that was the US and it's people.
  Putin was probably just cheerleading his puppets as it all happened. But make no mistake, seeds only grow in fertile soil.
  
  I'm Finnish, so if there's one thing I'm aware of it is Putin and his various machinations.

HERE COME THE FUCKING TANKIES
- Tankies hate JD Vance too. The only reason he wants peace in Ukraine is to start shit with China. We tankies don't want to make peace in one place just to fight somewhere else, we want peace and deescalation all over the globe.
  
  Okay that's cool, what about Iran, Russia, China, and North Korea, out there starting shit with everyone?
  
  ...which is basically enabling imperialism.
- Without tankies this place wouldnt exist, so yea we are gonna be here
  
  Without fascism you would not exist either.

Putins favorite, JD Vance.

What's the lead time on T-shirt printing these days?
Should I get the "Hang JD Vance" shirts printed now so I've got them ready to sell, or wait until Trump inevitably turns on him?
- Vance is going to push Trump down a flight of stairs his first five minutes in office. He's going to invoke the 25th amendment so fast it'll make your head spin.
  The guy has absolutely no interest in being VP and his buddies in Silicon Valley are already chomping at the bit for a Techbro Coup. He's not going to wait 3 hours much less 3 days.
  
  The concept of a Techbro coup is so fucking absurd to me. Like I can recognize it as a threat, but also I suspect it would last a whole of five seconds until you have a pile of Techbro corpses. Mostly cause Techbros are the dumbest motherfuckers and only have soft power, add on to the fact that nobody fucking likes them and well theres a good chance theyd be mulched.
- 3 to 10 days. Quantity? Colors? Cotton weight ?
- Picture of him.
  DON'T MISS

Its very easy to see that Putin is running the GOP.
At this point it looks like they are competing on who in the GOP can suck up to the russians the most

Oh look, he shaved his beard for Daddy Trump. Wouldn't want Dear Leader to disapprove of your facial hair now would we, Jay Dee?
- He has to continue his twink transition. He's obviously the bottom in this relationship.

I'm not complaining. Only way I'd be happier with his VP pick is if he took up Rubio and forced him to give up Florida.
Vance is also a snake and he'll backstab the orange man at some point most likely.
- Vance is a cuck. He was a harsh critic of Trump until he wasn't.
  I don't see how Vance gets Trump any extra votes. They appear to attract the same kind of people.
  If they win, it gets Vance out of my state. Which is fine (I voted for Tim Ryan).
  
  Vance is there so Trump can scapegoat him for handing Putin everything he wants, that's about it.
  
  Vance is a cuck.
  Politics aside, are we shaming people for their sexual kinks now, if they're not harming anybody?

Can you imagine this clown being president when the rapist with 34 felonies is deemed unfit for office or has a McHeartattack?

This is Trump's exact stance as well. He's been VERY clear about this, but idiots in the conservative camp seem to deliberately ignore it.

🤮

how does he always look like he's like 3 days into a binge drinking session?

Does J stand for Junk?
- JustSuckingPutinsCock

I thought the maggots wanted to leave NATO.
- They do, but they also don't want other people in it, either.

Wait why isn't Mike pence vp? Am I OOTL?
- Umm, very. Look up "hang Mike Pence"
  https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/25/trump-expressed-support-hanging-pence-capitol-riot-jan-6-00035117
  
  The article says he supported Biden winning. Oh noooooo a fair and equal election, no wayyy
- Oh no, the guy said no to Trump refusing to break the law during the January 6th "oopsie treason failed uprising" so he burned that bridge.
  Can't have people blatantly respecting democracy and the rule of law, that's not how the possible future felon-in-chief rolls. (But yet somehow it's the democrats inciting violence against him, hum.)

I didn't know that India was big into Hitler. But now his wife's actions make more sense.
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2017-12-14/ty-article/hitlers-hindus-indias-nazi-loving-nationalists-on-the-rise/0000017f-f880-d460-afff-fbe61fe20000
- This is a very BJP / Mohdi / Hindutva thing. Not India as a whole but it is popular enough. These Hindutva people also unironically praise Israel and Zionism. They see Israel as they ethno-state model they want to be, plus they both hate Muslims. (The Israeli response to this "fuck off, you're more brown than arabs")

All I need to see is that beard / haircut
- And the eyeliner

Hey but both sides suck and it's not worth voting this year.

Good. No more war. No more foreign aid. We need to focus on Americans and America.
- Last time we did that we had 2 world wars back to back
  
  Can you expand on that? Seems conflicting.
  A policy of no war, no foreign aid and especially focusing on America and everything in it.. how did that lead to world wars?
- He still wants to send all the aid Israel will not ever want to commit genocide.
  
  Unfortunately the U.S. belongs to Israel.
  And fkin lol @ people downvoting:
  No more war.
  No more foreign aid.
  We need to focus on Americans and America.
  Holy moly, some of yall are insufferable.
- Vance doesn't want that, he just wants out of this particular conflict so he can start shit somewhere else.
  
  God forbid.
- It's not mutually exclusive, which of his policies are actually focusing on Americans?
- Lmao, living in a glass house during a hail.
  "Let's focus on not getting hit"

Sound about right. No need to fund this slaughter.
- When a war will break out on your land, don't fight back, don't ask for help. Surrender everything to anyone, because you don't want a slaughter even if it means getting everything stolen, including your freedom, your identity and your civil liberties, right?
  
  He unironically probably will when the magats come for him and his own
  
  Fighting back makes them a terrorist.
  Unless the land is strategically advantageous to America then they are freedom fighters.
  
  Ukraine should fight back. Americans shouldn't fund war. See how easy this is?
- Forgot the /s?

I agree that Ukraine has lost land due to the US/NATO stopping Russia-Ukraine peace deals and talks in 2022.
I am anti-war, so peace deals should be at the forefront; war is a Last Resort1].
Many on the 'far left' and 'far right' say:
NATO is a terrorist organization.
[1] Papa Roach - Last Resort 2020 (Explicit) [03:22 | Rap, Rock, USA, In English, Rap Metal, Mental Health, Metal, Alternative Metal, Nu-Metal] https://youtu.be/D2Jl27lYExU
- What peace deals were those? Must've missed them.
  
  The peace deal where Ukraine gives up its territory.
  
  The ones where Ukraine agrees to defund its military completely and stop asking for aid and Russia paints a little smiley face on their bombs in order to seem more friendly of course!
  
  It was a peace deal where Russia would have withdrawn to Feb 23 2022 positions, hostilities would stop and Ukraine would agree not to join NATO. Boris Johnson flew in and said that NATO would give them money to keep fighting. Fast forward two years later and we have tens of thousands more dead Ukrainians and much more lost territory, and a terrible negotiating position.
- This sounds like something stupid Joe Rogan would say lol
  
  Do you watch Joe Rogan directly or do you just watch people that talk about him and tell you what to think about him?
- Oh yeah, the one that goes "cut my land into pieces, for oligarchs' resorts"
- As a European I'm so gratefull people didn't "go for talks" on that day they stormed the beaches.. sometimes you have to actually fight for your ideals and not water them down every time they are opposed..
- You do know "You agree to stop protecting yourself and I'll consider potentially maybe not bombing your orphanages and hospitals nearly as often, possibly." is not a Respectable Peace Deal
- If you are anti-wat, you hoyos be against Russia starting them in the first place or at the very least support making it not worth it in the future. Forcing Ukraine to give up territory is neither of those.
- Dear god you are tiresome

NATO should have been dissolved with the Warsaw Pact. Its nothing more that the European arm of US imperialism
- Good thing it wasn’t as Putin has shown Russia is still a threat to innocent nations who aren’t protected by NATO membership.
  
  NATO has already told Ukraine they will not get NATO membership because they are too corrupt. The exact same rhetoric that every nation on Earth called Ukraine prior to the Russian invasion.
- Go away
  
  I'm not going anywhere. I will call out US imperialism and colonialism every chance that I get and I will stand against anybody defending that imperialism.
- Without NATO we'd have said bye bye to Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and maybe Poland
  
  Remember, if russia does it, it is NOT:
  Facist.
  Imperialism.

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