Sen. Mark Warner Forming a Group Of Democratic Senators To Call On Biden To Drop Out

Flipping the candidate 4-5 months before the election is the dumbest fucking idea. Other than the obvious legal battles and terrible optics, the logistics of getting a unified candidate and get that information out to the public before the election is impossible.
Sen Mark Warner might as well be a Republican for attacking the Dem candidate. It won't do anything good, it will fail, and it will be used to attack Biden going forward. Being critical and shooting yourself and country in the face don't have to be the same thing.
- Sen Mark Warner might as well be a Republican
  I would say that any one suggesting the Democrats stick with a candidate polling in the low thirties might as well be a Republican.
  Republicans need the Democrats to stick with Biden. They literally are fucked if the Democrats pick almost any other candidate. 70% of Americans think Biden is mentally unfit to be President.
  70%.
  Thats an insane number. Biden is over. He can't win with numbers like that.
  There aren't going to be any legal battles and its going to be the best earned media the Democrats will ever get in the history of the party if they go to a contested convention. The presidential election is nothing at all like a smaller regional race. Whoever ends up being the candidate will get literally billions of dollars in earned media by simply "becoming" the candidate. The whole drama of it suddenly engages what is currently a completely disengaged voting populace.
  So no.
  
  Whoever ends up being the candidate will get literally billions of dollars in earned media by simply “becoming” the candidate. The whole drama of it suddenly engages what is currently a completely disengaged voting populace.
  This is the most important bit IMO.
  At this point, I don't even think of dumping Biden as just a satisfactory fallback position, but as a winning strategy, and specifically for this reason.
  It's not as if Biden suddenly became a weak candidate the night of the debate - he's been a weak candidate all along. As I just said earlier, the only thing that changed with the debate is that more people came to that conclusion.
  And all it would take to motivate the base - to get Democrats enthused in a way that they haven't been since 2008 - is to throw open the nomination. That would bring the race a sense of excitement and hope that hasn't just been missing since the debate, but all along.
  
  Edit: downvoted by Russian agents.
  70%
  I would like to know how they reached to this number.
  Because it surely isn't out of all Americans.
  Source: nobody polled me or my friends.
  Edit: not all Americans, as you claimed in your comment. All voting Americans; and my claim still stands. Nobody asked me or my friends.
  Edit 2: The same poll asked if Trump is a liar. Almost 70% said yes. Compared to almost 60% saying that Biden is a liar. I'm very suspicious of polls these days.
  Edit 3: to be clear, I also believe that Trump is a liar. Just that the Biden numbers are suspiciously too high.
- Worse... making a public campaign to make biden withdraw, even if not successful, is a terrible idea.
  Honestly, the worst possible thing for the left.
  Not only a lame duck candidate, but public infighting to undermine support.
  
  Is the left in the room with you right now?
  There is no left.
- I think a shotgun primary could really fire up the base. Let the new faces promise things that get people excited to vote instead of this grim responsibility we're feeling now
- Sen Mark Warner might as well be a Republican for attacking the Dem candidate.
  BoTh SiDeS!!!!
- Running an 84 year old incumbent is the dumbest idea. Switching him out four months before the election when it's clear to everyone he's not up to the task is the second dumbest idea.
  
  Ok, GOP.

Downvote the news, but it still remains news.
For such a prominent Senator to have gone public, there must be a torrent of activity in private.
- Refusing to see Biden's flaws is incredibly delusional. I understand a bit, running a new candidate could help Trump win. However, running a candidate with dementia will definitely help Trump win. We deserve a candidate with basic debate skills.
  
  There is a point of no return when public reception dictates further action and that preception will not reverse. I hate the idea, as I think history will look very kindly on Joe, and it's terrible what's happening. But, by my estimate we have reached that point.
  
  Isn't he already top 10? But his past administration, vs. him now... I dunno what to think. If he were elected, then his administration could continue, but that's a big "if" at this juncture.
  
  Yeah, and it’s “Hillary’s Turn” 🤮
  
  Scuttling your own incumbent because of his flaws is peak delusion.
  Go touch grass.
- There is a significant cohort of lemmings living in a gaslit fantasy where they've lost themselves in a gamblers fallacy around Biden as candidate. They'll come back around, much later, after he's replaced as candidate, and pretend they were never the person they were.
  As far as the posturing and jockeying, game is on I suppose.
  Any Democrats who can stand up and show leadership right now stand a very good chance of becoming the most powerful person in the world. Trump is a deeply unpopular candidate. It won't take much to expose his weakness for what it is, we just currently happen to have the weakest possible candidate. Swap the candidate, adopt the positions of the base, and whoever ends up being the nominee can coast into office.
  
  My problem with the whole thing is there hasn't been anyone stepping up and saying how about me. I haven't seen any mention of any actual names whatsoever.
  You gotta decide what else to make before you dump the water.
  I could be wrong, idk.
  
  Or, its very late in the game and this chaos causes the dems to splinter, leaving trump ripe for victory.
  You act like you know exactly what will happen, when in reality things can end up pear shaped whether we stick with biden or get a new candidate.
  Polls and MSM are focusing on biden, allowing trump to gain ground. Whatever is gonna happen needs to happen NOW.
  
  Who though... Comments like this are useless unless there is a valid replacement. So again... Who, or STFU.
  
  Any Democrats who can stand up and show leadership right now stand a very good chance of becoming the most powerful person in the world. Trump is a deeply unpopular candidate. It won’t take much to expose his weakness for what it is, we just currently happen to have the weakest possible candidate. Swap the candidate, adopt the positions of the base, and whoever ends up being the nominee can coast into office.
  I think this is rather obviously true. Many on the left have been pushing for a different, and presumably better, candidate from the beginning, so in a way, all that's changed since the debate is that many more have joined them. So really, all the Dems have to do is provide the people with that candidate, and it'll be a runaway.
  BUT...
  I'm starting to worry that the DNC is going to fuck it up yet again, and specifically because, just as was the case in 2016 and 2020, they're not only going to not adopt the positions of the base, but are going to instead manipulate the process in order to shove another establishment hack down our throats. And quite likely not even just any establishment hack, but the one that's already proven to be even less popular than Biden - Hillary Clinton.
  This is a moment for the DNC to get out of the way and let the people come together and choose the candidate they want. That's the exact thing that will motivate the base, and in turn guarantee Trump's defeat.
  I'm just afraid that the DNC won't be able to do that - that in their all-consuming self-centeredness and greed, they're going to fuck it up for all of us, yet again.
- He has gone public? Because he hasn't said anything about this.
  All I see are secondhand reports from anonymous sources, which is kind of the opposite of going public.
  
  "Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA) is attempting to assemble a group of Democratic senators to ask Joe Biden to exit the presidential race,” the Washington Post reports.
  “Warner is telling Democratic senators that Biden can no longer remain in the election in the wake of his faltering debate performance… The Virginia senator has told others that he is deeply concerned Biden is not able to run a campaign that could beat former president Donald Trump.”

The same Mark Warner that is basically GOP with a (D) next to his name? Oh, like we wouldnt see through that
- Plus Biden was elected, right? Like, Democratic voters chose him to be the Democratic candidate?
  Can another party vote happen at this point?
  Or is there another formal procedure for these circumstances that involve the people? (E.g. the people chose their top three preferred candidates?)
  Otherwise, Indeed, that "democrat" asshole calling for this is part of the treason train.
  
  In which primary?
- Last time we did that, we got Nixon.
  Nice try, Comrade.
  
  People keep saying that while skipping over the fact that Robert Kennedy would probably have been the nominee and defeated Nixon if he hadn't been assassinated in June.
- And out come the purity tests.
- If he was a true R, he wouldn't be pushing to remove Biden. We all know where this current situation is heading.

Nah push for ranked voting instead corporate democrats
- I'm sucking it up and going to voter for whomever we get that isn't Joe Biden.
  We can figure out how we actually take over the DNC after we ensure there will be a "next election".
  
  Just vote for Joe and stop killing his incumbent momentum.

All of this because the Whitehouse didn't juice Biden up with the Doctor Feelgood syringe left over from the Kennedy years.