"It has to be Chromium"

Shut up, you godless furry

No tinkering required, technically you could achieve the same result with regular Firefox + tinkering.

It’s as simple out of the box but with a greater focus on privacy with telemetry off and the pocket integration disabled.

Mullvad has a browser now? Sweet! I've been a fan of their no nonsense approach to VPN for a while now.

Bought out? Firefox was never bought out by anyone. What are you talking about?

Usually the thing about the webpage not working is just codeword for "we have not tested it and we won't". If you really need to access it, there are some extensions that can change your user agent so the page thinks you are in chromium.

This is the one I use.

I use an user agent switcher in those cases. Most of the time it works and I dont have to change the browser.

This is not fully true. Recently I had problems with keyboard press event propagation working differently on button elements and CSS scroll snapping behaving differently when new items are appended in the scroll container. Both are not really obscure.

I work at home in the health field and the only browser they have us use for everything is chrome. It makes me laugh honestly.

What's the source for that claim? To my understanding, Firefox first got sandboxed processes for sites in 2021, and only recently this year got features to sandbox the GPU processes as well - playing catch-up by many years to Chrome, and exposing attack vectors for sites to gain access to OS-level API's to meanwhile. And to my understanding, neither are enabled by default on Firefox for Android, because of ongoing compatibility issues for years https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1610822

My take is that Firefox or its' derivatives are better for privacy, while Chromium is better for security, due to the vastly greater development resources.

Is Firefox for Android getting faster as expected? Last time, it seems very slow. I might switch back from Vivaldi if tests seem very well.

I recently switched from Opera to Firefox.

I was getting 59 FPS average in Opera, full bore 165 FPS / Hz in Firefox.

I didn't -want- to switch but it's objectively faster, especially on Linux.

I get this issue every now and then with Chrome.

The fact that it needs a workaround is still bullshit.

Competitors dont have to inherit those tho just because they are based on chromium.

There's no reason a Chromium fork can't conform to other web standards.

Everything else I said, sorry if that wasn't clear!

Essentially there are organizations like W3C and IEEE that define standards for how the internet works and how websites behave. All browsers follow these so everything works properly. Let's say you have some idea you want to add to your browser you develop. You do it and tell everyone about it. You don't have many users. Maybe a few sites do it but it isn't really a problem that it doesn't work on other browsers because so few people do it.

Chromium has a massive market share because so many browsers use it as their base. Even Opera and Microsoft Edge which historically have been alternatives to Google Chrome now use Chromium as their base. The danger is that Chromium has such a large user base that they are essentially what the standard is.

As a quick aside, Chromium is the name for the open source base of Google Chrome. Chrome itself is technically not open source. This jus thust in case you or other readers haven't seen that word.

Imagine a world where everyone uses Chromium. Why would you (if you were in charge of Chromium) need to listen to what standards organizations say about how the web should work? You're literally in charge of every browser! You can just add some new features or take some out and every website would have to comply because you (in this hypothetical) truly do control every single web browser on the planet. Their websites would not work otherwise.

Sure, out of the goodness of your heart you might behave and be a good steward but there will always be reasons for you to act against the standards that you don't view as "bad" that other people might think are bad. I'm not saying all standards organizations are perfect and good or anything like that, but I believe I trust them more than Google.

Even if Google never does anything "bad" (naive thinking lol) avoiding the situation where they have that kind of power is a good thing.

To me that's the most important reason to use a non-Chromium based browser. To avoid Chromium becoming the one true browser.

And just for some context, Google has done bad things before with regards to web standards and then having the de facto standard with Chrome. The recent changes to the extension API to neuter ad blocking being a prime example. And we don't even have to speculate and sound like nutjobs. They're a public company. They've said before that ad-blocking is one of the biggest threats to their ad revenue. Not that it feels tin foil hatty to suggest even if they hadn't said it, but they actually have said it in reports.

That it allows Google to destroy the open internet by changing the standards until non-Chromium browsers can't engage with the web.

Not everyone has this luxury, but I just close the website and never use it. So far, I haven't run into anything major that doesn't work with firefox, so this strategy has been working for me so far.

i'd recommend using edge there instead of chrome, because it's the same browser and google is legitimately less trustworthy than microsoft at this point. neither of these companies are the same that they were in the early 2000s, for better or worse

All that stuff you have saved isn't important. You won't even miss what you saved.

That's like not moving into a better home because you don't want to lose what's in your junk drawer in the kitchen.

Edit. Three downvotes with no replies? No one cares to explain thier point of view?

yeah having all your stuff saved in chrome would make it a hassle. sounds like a rainy day project haha

You have been writing comments on this thread for 5 hours. Have you gone outside today? Make sure to drink some water as well.

What are you talking about? Firefox has always been very much acceptable for me. What qol features are you missing?

Nah, for any functions I've missed there has been a Firefox addon so far. My fave QOL addon is Tree Style Tab

Then you want to hide the horizontal tabs bad in the top, with an extra CSS file in the Firefox folder. Instructions here

ive alwasy had a high end PC around so ive never had issues with it.

Depending on which distro you're on, Vivaldi is most certainly on Linux. I use mostly debian stuff and it works great on there.

The Oklahoma Natural Gas website sometimes won't let me pay my bill if I'm using Firefox.

I actually had to install ungoogled-chromium to change my email on PayPal. No other browser would work, it was weird. That's the only instance I can remember where I've had to try Chrome. Otherwise I FireFox has worked fine. Wonder what happened there.

Some websites do poorly on it. However it's rare and easy enough to just open it in a different browser. I've used Firefox for over 15 years and it's not a serious issue. Usually bad government websites or shitty corporate webapps.

On what site/service is that?

Cox cable had a button that wasn’t visible on ff, had to use edge.

Microsoft apps somtimes shit themselves in Firefox more often I find

I've used Firefox as my main browser for a year or two now, and it definitely wastes the most battery life and uses the most RAM on my laptop. I've had some websites (job sites) not display "Apply to Job" buttons properly. My Yubikey wasn't supported on many websites with Firefox (only Chrome/Safari) until recently. Chrome feels stagnate, though - I love Firefox's auto-pause, PiP, bookmarks tagging and keyword searches.

Gecko? Do you mean Blink?

Gecko is the name of Firefox’s renderer. Blink is the name of chrome’s. WebKit is the name of Safari’s.

It would not be correct to say that Safari uses Chrome’s renderer, but since Chrome started as a fork of WebKit, they should have some similarities.

But there is no genetic relationship whatsoever between Gecko and Safari.

Nah, they have a big concern on that matter. Not collecting or selling your data is one of their main selling points lol. Also, while not completely open source, the main changes they do to the chromium base is open for everyone

Also me. Mull + Librewolf combo, portmaster and etc/hosts to block adware, malware and nsfw. I feel free.

Indeed. But privacy is good. No point in using Firefox on phone since webview is chromium based.

Oh, I was similar. When Chrome was new I liked it, but it seems to be vulnerable to get these weird superfluous add-ons that I may have acquired through malicious links. When I switched to Firefox I wasn't as suseptible to malware, and the speed was just as good.

For me Chrome uses more RAM, plus it's usually some addon that slows down firefox more.

Here you go.

Mozilla thought it would be cool to install a Mr Robot addon as a paid stunt, didn't go over well.

Wondering this as well.

Yeah, they had. Now he's the one that works on Brave afaik.

Yeah, still doesn't mean that if I set up a raspbian desktop system I don't install firefox.

Specifically speaking it branches off tor browser bundle which itself is modified firefox-esr.

Correction: Mullvad is based on Firefox, and Tor is also based on Firefox.

https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium

Netscape was itself a development from Mosaic, which also spun off into what became internet explorer.

so firefox and Internet Explorer (up to around ie6 at least) are kinda weird cousins.

when ur os is always sending info in the background.

Flashback to the Windows 10 launch, when typing anything while the resource manager was open revealed a small spike in internet traffic.

No clue what actually happened in the background, but it was consistent over multiple friends computers. Very fun.

Because Google is a bastion of privacy

Wrong, Apple doesn't just hand over their user's data without a warrant like other vendors.

Do you have proof of this? For example with the payment info on Apple Pay. It is all encrypted, not even the side I’m buying from sees my address or credit card info.

Wait... Your argument is "it's good for privacy because you sent your telemetry already anyway?