7mo ago

Please stop

linuxmemes @lemmy.world

STOP INSTALLING DEBIAN

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I am a little biased because I've been using Debian professionally for many years now but we don't deserve Debian. It is fantastically stable and reliable and makes an excellent platform for running your services off of. If you are at all interested in offering some time and energy to the open source community, consider adopting a Debian package!
- I'm thinking about a Linux laptop with FOSS software for my business actually, Lemmy's relentless horde of pro-Linux propaganda has won me over
  (OK I've always liked FOSS I've just never taken the jump)
  
  ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
  but seriously, modern FOSS distros (yes, debian is modern, damnit!) are amazingly good. you have an exceptionally high probablility of switching and staying switched.
- I had to step away from it because packages are just too old.
  
  They are. You can get .debs through other sources quite often, though.
  
  Have you considered using testing instead of stable or Siduction?
- That's how I feel about arch, it's not "stable" but the few issues I've had they typically have it fixed with an update within hours.
  I do have to clarify when I switched to arch from windows my entire computer was brand new and practically no other distro booted or if it installed it dumped me to a black screen.
  After running my server on archlinux with the stable kernel for 7 years I did install Debian on my new server. Zfs just required an older lts kernel than I could get on arch without a ton of hassle. I didn't need it on my Mac mini with an external hard drive plugged in. From my experience it's not very different to maintain compared to arch but it's nice having built in automation instead of writing my own.
  Man it's weird using a system of what I can guess is a bunch of bash scripts on Debian to set things up compared to just using the tools built into and written for systemd.
  
  it's not "stable"
  "stable" in this case means that it doesn't change often. Debian stable is called that because no major version changes are performed during the entire cycle of a release.
  It doesn't mean "stable" as in "never crashes", although Debian is good at that too.
  Arch is definitely not "stable" using that definition!

I just want a Debian-based distro with KDE that's not poisoned by Canonical's nonsense
- Have you tried Debian?
  
  I'm currently on debian. I wrote this comment as a response to the Debian slander in the meme.
  
  Man Nvidia users are going to be stoked when the get explicit sync in they're desktop environments in two years. 😂 They're have been so many small improvements in the Nvidia drivers up until that point I hope they actually update Nvidia drivers on Debian. I understand some of those improvements are not going to work because of the kernel version and the desktop versions.
- You can choose KDE as desktop environment during Debian installation, or replace whatever DE you installed at any time.
- MX ?
- I think you're looking for Debian. If you want newer packages, run testing instead of stable.
- KDE Neon?
  
  It's Ubuntu based
- I'm using mxlinux "ahs" version, it comes with kde at their "ahs" repos for supporting latest hardware and graphics cards. You may also check for the non-ahs, there might be a meta-package for kde plasma and that's it..
- Why do you need it to be Debian-based?
- Same, that's why I'm using Q4OS

I still remember this nice 'feature' of XScreenSaver.
However, as of 2016 Iceweasel is Firefox ESR again.

The packages in Debian are really old. It's awful.
I was looking at my xzutils package the other month. "So outdated," I thought, envying the cool hip trendy Arch users.
- Yeah, I had to bail. FreeBSD was awesome for stable yet bleeding-edge packages, a perfect blend of downloading binaries and compiling from source (when needed) with everything in sync.
  These days I’m using Alpine Linux almost exclusively, but I miss the convenience of FreeBSD and wish it wasn’t being left behind by the Kool Kidz™.

Tell me you're an opinionated novice without telling me you're an opinionated novice.
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SOFTWARE WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE STABLE
Someone with a case of brain rot.
- Me, because I cannot understand how people can miss the facetiousness of this meme template with such confidence
  
  🪦
- Ah, I see you've met the product owner.

You can't stop me
- Busta!

YEARS OF BACKPORTS yet NO REAL WORLD USE FOUND for staying more than ONE VERSION behind
I have a really old computer that still gets the job done, and just getting up to Bullseye broke it a bit.
I know, I know, it's just a meme.

Mentoning Iceweasel in 2024?! Where did you find this meme?! Debian stable?!
- debian nightly release
  
  We don't talk about what happens in the night.

LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition) is a wonderful self-hosting platform.
- Today I learned there’s a Debian edition of mint.
  https://linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php

It makes a great headless server

Getthefuckouttamyfacewiththisridiculousbullshit.

Debian gives you a choice though. If you want stability, install the stable release. If you want newer packages, install the testing release. Just be sure to get security updates from unstable (sid) if you do that.
"stable" in this context means that stuff doesn't change often. It doesn't mean "stable" as in reliable / never crashes, although Debian is good at that too.

It is possible though to get newer versions using flathub or somethibg, right? (I know very little about linux, but I'm thinking of switching from win10 to debian next year.)
- For normal desktop users, yeah Debian Stable + Flatpaks is a winning combo for picking the software that you want to be cutting-edge and leaving the rest to rock-solid stability. Normally Linux distros keep a full ecosystem of packages that interop and depend on each other, but solutions like Flatpak have their own little microcosm of dependencies that can be used independently of the host distro. There are also Debian Backports for when you want native Debian packages that are more cutting-edge but still compiled to work with your older base system. Backports are not available for most packages but sometimes the important ones are available, like the Linux kernel itself. You can also try to compile your own backports, but you'll be responsible for updating it.
- No better time than the present
  Yes there are ways of acquiring the latest packages even on Debian stable. Usually I end up compiling that stuff myself
  If you're at all unsure if you want to deal with Debian not pushing the latest and greatest updates you do have options such as running Debian Testing or MX Linux (which itself is based on Debian Testing)
  
  No better time than the present
  Look, I'm already trying (and kinda succedding) to avoid doing some hard tasks I have to do, don't push me further into the rabbit hole.😆
  Ugh, now I'm considering doing it in 2 weeks, what have you donee

This makes Debian look kinda good actually...

Yes. I love this meme template.
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What's wrong with having a some year old software? Does it do what you need? Yes. Then what? I have all I need on Debian. Why should I care of new updates. Security? Yes we have Debian security because of that. Look, y'all had the xyz backdoor package in your systems because it was new. Me as a Debian stable user I didn't have to deal with it. Did I lose something by not having the latests software? No. Well maybe less crashes.
Most privative software also gets weekly updates. Does it make it better? No. You may prefer that.
Also I don't get the point about the version numbering of Debian packages. Every team uses the versioning they want.
From my experience software that updates a lot tends to break old features a lot too.
Debian suporting freesoftware projects or other stuff doesn't look as a relevant argument. I mean if you prefer using privative stuff and using that kind of software. Do whatever you like with your Google/Facebook/Apple friends.
But don't come intoxicate the community with this bullshit.
- Does it do what you need?
  No
  
  Cool, get something else, then.
- Because then people file bug reports for ages old software. Ancient does not equal stable!

I have never had a good experience with a Debian server. Every single time I had to add unstable or third party repos to get anything remotely current to run. What's the point if you have to add unstable shit anyway?
- That sounds like a skill issue.

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