Who is a character you feel is overhated and despised too much ?

Cool story, now get in the fucking robot.

Imagine if nerv had invested some of its money in the mental health of its employees. I like to think many issues could have been solved by hiring a few therapists.

In an alternative reality

I really thought the idea was, "You like mecha? You like kids piloting mecha? This is how it'd go down." I loved it so much. Shinji's a broken, abused shell child. He lives with a broken human who drowns her sorrows in drink. His father is just evil. He'd have to be to let his kid pilot the mecha.

The only real father figure we ever see for shinji is a spy. Who gets killed. He's in love with a girl that hates him. Because he's broken. But he has no one else. Except those friends at school who I think they take away. Don't remember. And that angel who he has to kill or something. Damn, it's been like 25 years. I have no idea what happened. But in my memory it's terrible. Wonderful stuff.

I think the biggest problem that people have with NGE is that it just isn't your typical shounen anime. All of the characters behave in a way because of their past experiences. Shinji being abandoned by his father, witnessing his mother's death without actually understanding or realising it, asuka being neglected by her mother and Rei being a clone. And all of them in their teens, in a broken world getting told to fight and probably die or humanity is doomed.

With how saturated anime are with flawed main characters that then use that flaw to their advantage to overcome their enemy, NGE just doesn't do that.

I think that viewers just expect this hero story when they watch it.

I mean. I had a similar impression when I first watched it a long long time ago and thought that shinji was a wuss. But that was after I watched the typical shounen, DB, DBZ, Naruto and bleach. Not to mention that I didn't understand what the fuck was going on. Only later after watching it a second time and digging into the background a bit, shinjis Oedipus complex, asukas hedgehog dilemma and the general motivation of each of the characters it made a lot more sense. Including the context of their situation made me appreciate the storytelling a lot more because it put everything into perspective.

Didn’t realize he was hated? He is a fucked up little weirdo but so is everyone in that show. Man, I might need to rewatch, been way too long.

I am only a few years younger than Wesley was in TNG. He was someone with whom I could identify. I never got the Wesley hate, and if it was not for the internet I would not know there was any.

Shut up Wesley essell

The Boy?!?! baker street sax plays

Wesley Crusher is a real fake person?

Really? What's to like about him?

My personal theory is that jar jar is not a sith but rather a domestic terrorist that is really good at making it look like an accident

I know this a joke theory (mostly), but given how much Star Wars rips from classic scifi works, I think looking at the Foundation books makes a good case for this being viable as more than a joke.

Is there some secret internet community of Willie haters?

It was the shrieking that I wasn't a fan of

She is hated because she is acting sanely in this situation and is constantly trying to stop Walter's insanity.

Same, and I suspect that not many people ever did hate Skylar... But the narrative makes for good content, so the few that did hate on Skylar got portrayed as the majority.

IIRC, though, Anna Gunn mentioned having a lot of negative interactions with the audience conflating her with her character... So who knows.

She's hated because Walt turned everyone against her - including the viewer, it seems

I like how these conversations always ignore the wrong things Skylar did, such as cheating with Ted. It's always "well Walter was the devil, so anything she did was ok". She still begins the show by showing very little care for his birthday and making it feel like a chore. She's literally part of why he feels he's in a hum drum boring life with no control. His character ark is largely about him going from a meek high school professor afraid to do anything into a completely fearless kingpin who finally has control over his life. Yes, the point is that he goes too far. But it's also shown pretty clearly early on that he feels powerless and like his life is out of control(you know, like a sudden terminal cancer diagnosis might do).

Was Walter a bad person? Yes. Was Skylar also a bad person who didn't truly see him as an equal and who, when given the chance, cheats on him remorselessly? Also yup.

Multiple people can be bad. Even Hank, arguably one of the most moral characters, suffers from major blindspots and is a dismissive dick to Marie.

People defending Skylar are the kind of people that say "I can do what I want because it's a free country" and get shocked when they learn there are consequences to their actions, even if justified.

I guess in a show the annoyance they cause to you is real but the puppies killed are fiction

I don’t hate characters for being evil in fiction. Evil characters can be super entertaining. The game of thrones books really captured this potential IMO. A character being annoying to the reader/viewer directly impedes with you enjoying the show.

Yeah. I also find the relationship has a lot more dysfunction on Jim's part than fans want to admit. Jim wouldn't cheat on Pam, but Jim makes several life changing decisions without Pam and gets angry if Pam doesn't go along with them.

I’ll bite. Why doesn’t that freeloader who can suddenly jump up and dance, not deserve so much hate.

Except for his solution is basically, "Let's put the population back a whole 40 years or so, while massively disrupting society and the economy and being guaranteed to traumatize virtually everyone remaining. That will fix everything!" The only person who could think that was at all reasonable would have to have a grade school understanding of how the world works and no interpersonal connections, or what they mean to most people.

I thought the reasoning portrayed in the movies made a lot less sense than the reasoning in the comics.

If his goal is to eliminate poverty and balance the resources vs consumption, why not double the resources rather than destabilize the entire universe in the process of halving the consumption of resources?

A shortsighted and foolish plan at least makes sense when it's in the pursuit of romance.

Painless? Even accepting that emotional pain doesn't count (which I don't agree with) 50% of every person involved in operating a piece of dangerous machinery just suddenly disappearing absolutely caused widespread injury and death among those left behind.

Thanos' reasoning is idiotic.

People are a resource. If you eliminated half the people, not only have you wasted all resources that went into those people, but you've wasted everything those people could produce. Minus half of agricultural workers would probably mean way less than half production. The post-snap world would be a place of austerity and starvation. You could recover sure, but it'd be time for another snap.

On the surface I understand, but as you dig deeper the logistics don’t make a lot of since with the “indiscriminate” part. Let’s say you had two warring factions of almost equal power. How would the snap know to take an equal amount so that there isn’t a massive power shift which could lead to a much more negative outcome. What if there was a single, very influencial person that got snapped. Things like that. His goal was to alieviate suffering but there are so many better ways he could have approached it. It’s possible I’d need to dive into the backstory more to determine what made him choose that specific action.

Satan as in disgruntled, restricted without being explained about reasons, Paradise Lost or Melkor in Tolkien's works kind is pretty much righteous in rebelling. Methods used during the said rebelling is questionable, thom

It was because he sang the "I Love You" song. It was uncool.

1. Many of the best children’s shows could be quite watchable
2. No, you didn’t have to have chosen your own hell, the commercials were all over kids TV. It was horrible, you couldn’t avoid that hideous song

And forced a sane but disruptive man through a disabling procedure?

No. She went way the hell too far so she could protect her little kingdom and stay in power. She was not concerned with helping her charges improve their lot in life.

sure, and Kai Winn was just some priest...

Well, she was manipulative towards the patients. The worst part was when the young suicidal patient was with the girl and she reprimanded him, saying she was going to tell his mom. And she let him of her sight. It was just a power trip.

Does anyone really hate Iroh?

I've never looked at the Uncle movie with John Candy in this way before. Not sure what to think.

Why would they be wrong?

Great contribution to the conversation. We all understand what you're saying, and who you're talking about. We're all just ready to continue this conversation that we ABSOLUTELY can be a part of, and have opinions on.

......oh wait.

This isn’t Facebook… vuagebooking isn’t allowed. Either name the person or go somewhere else.

I shouldn't say who and for why.

Why? This is anonymous. No one will judge you for your opinion. Of course, it's also a discussion. We can't reply if we don't know what the hell you're talking about. And if you refuse to do that, why even post the comment?

Melania?