Lemmy is the best social media

Wtf. Why didn't you mention the cringe lord emperor striker?!
Edit: using my mod powers to get attention.
- Leaching on to mod powers to grab attention, for what purpose, I do not know.
  
  To prevent the all powerful cum tsunami from wiping us all out
- Thank you god-modereor for showing us the way... By force!
  
  Goderator?
- The elon musk mindset. Lmao
- Mod abuse.. how typical. Is your thirst for power satisfied now?
  What would happen if we would all be mods? Did you think about it? You didn’t, did you?
- Can any mere man wield such ferocious, blinding power?
  A terrifyingly, beautiful thing to behold. But only just a glance.
  I'm scared, feel like... like an Upper Neolithic man witnessing Nikolai Tesla inside his Faraday cage, as the bright blue electric current crackles and arches all around him.
- I mean if you have to ask, the answer is obvious.
- @admin MOD ABUSE!!!!!

Me as an instance admin sitting here reading about how Lemmy doesn't have trolls and Russian bots, while I'm in a chat with other instance admins and mods where we need to actively coordinate to fight the trolls and Russian bots 😐
- Thank you for your service! (sounds sarcastic, is not)
- Yeah... OP is blind to the massive Kremlin and CCP propaganda problem here in the Fediverse.
  
  After hexbear got defederated from most of the major instances, the fucking losers just make alts on different instances so they can continue defending that propaganda filled shithole. Now .ml seems like the new worst, no matter what you do these no-life losers will find a way to spread their bullshit.
  Takes much more effort to try and stop them than it does for these losers to make alts unfortunately.
  
  Somewhere in Moscow, there's a big red phone that connects to its counterpart in Beijing, where Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping discuss the latest attempts to influence an indie reddit spin-off with an elaborate network of Markov Chain LLMs producing comments like "I wish y'all wouldn't be so nakedly racist towards people from other countries."
- Welcome to IT. If everything is on fire, they ask why you’re even here, and if everything is ready for the fire and there’s nothing left to do, they also ask why you’re even here
- I'm yet to see any in the last year personally, so I guess it's working?
  
  That's honestly pretty amazing that you've been here a year and haven't seen a troll! Though you're on an instance with a very active and determined admin, there is definitely a difference in how much you see between instances because of how removals work.
  
  You guys are pretty proactive about blocking and defederating bad faith instances, or even ones not doing enough to deal with bad actors. You were one of the first to defederate Hexbear, and I think you even defederated world at one point?
- Thank you for your service
- Oh, hey Dave. Small world huh?
  
  👋
- I haven't seen much of it at all in my 1+ year here, so y'all are doing a great job :3
- The matrix admin group or a different one?
  
  The matrix one

Well except for the entire population of Hexbear and the 'Grad...
- I'm fairly sure they aren't bots, but definitely pro Russia.
  
  bots, sockpuppets, infowarfare it's all different vlads in the same bag
  
  Last I checked hexbear had something like 70% more total comments than lemmy.world despite only having a tiny fraction of the users. Sounds like bots to me
  
  A lot of troll accounts are semi-automated. They run a script that detects certain keywords, and posts premade replies to them (nowadays said premade replies are being finetuned with generative AI to look less uniform), also a human is watching over them to ensure both correct operation and to overtake in case of emergency.
  Source: My father's ex-girlfriend's ex-boyfriend was (is) a paid online troll for Fidesz. They also had Discord (later Matrix if I recall) servers for organizing mass reports, downvotes, angry/haha react campaigns, often they also did some "private doxxing".
- And large parts of .ml, which is the bridge for hexbear to all the instances which defederated with them.
  It really does feel like hexbear users are probably high fiving each other over their cubicle walls in Vladivostok. The admin openly states their goal is information warfare.
- I'm convinced those people have to be elaborate trolls. Like the flat earthers.
  
  nah - they are very real. Maybe sock puppets but real. I imagine them like rich 15 year old kids beeing “rad and cool”
  
  They're paid/programmed to do what they do.
- It's super neat being in a different federation group than other posters, I have no idea what the bad places are like
- .world is a Liberal cesspool
  
  World and Hexbear are both liberal cesspits. One is full of centrists who think they're leftists, and one is full of conservatives who think they're communists.
  
  Why's that? Got a problem with the left?

Just need to swap SatansMaggotyCumFart with Jimmydoreisalefty.
@SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world is simply irreverent; not a troll.
- I need to figure out what irreverent means so I know if I should be insulted.
  
  Trust me - it’s better than some fucking herb…
  
  It's liberal for deeply unserious I think
- Damn I forgot about dore is a lefty!
  
  He definitely is not. He's a grifter that parrots a lot of right wing nut job conspiracy theories like anti-vaxxing. He's a Liberal at most.
  
  Sinister as shit.
- I'm glad I'm not the only one. That account is truly bizarre (from the point of view of how they write and express themselves). I've engaged with them a few times and it's like a weird loop. I know it's a real person, but it feels like talking to a script or dialog tree because it always goes down the same 1-2 dialog paths
  
  I think it’s a bot assisted human. The amount of spam they output is inhuman but they do interact like a human at times.
- Ok, so I'm not the only one who noticed that their spam has a weird taste to it. It's got that vibe of some agreeable left-wing content but then feels likes it only there to mask authoritarian narrative building.
- @SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world is a maga troll that loves giving the Jan 6th traitors kisses on their little traitor faces
  
  She's more of a Devils advocate. Just stating the wrong opinion for others to explain what's right. There's never any clever comeback, so I kind of think that's the reason for her to shitpost so heavily.
  I've blocked plenty of trolls here, but not her, yet.
- I like Jimmy's contributions. :-/
  Edit: some*

Even without any karma system, interacting with the users here is a breath of fresh air. Lemmy has the least shills and bots compared to the poison in most other platforms. It's currently Lemmy's best asset and where it stands out from all existing social media imo, and I hope it remains this way.
- They’re certainly easier to avoid.
- Lemmy has the least shills and bots
  Because it's not popular yet. Wait until it becomes so and the inevitable enshittification happens.
  
  Enshittification isn't what happens when something becomes popular, it's what happens to disruptive tech and commodities that get increasingly fine-tuned for profit after competition inevitably floods in. It's a product of monetization.
  Lemmy is FOSS so that won't happen, plus you can splinter off into your own walled garden instance like Beehaw if you want.

Have we forgotten that we also have Margot Robbie?
- I think that she prefers "Academy Award-nominated character actor, and producer Margot Robbie".
  
  Star of the Barbie movie, now available on Blu Ray at your local retailers!
- Are you saying that she's a bot or a troll?
  
  I'm saying she's an academy award nominated character actor and producer

I’d estimate blocking ozma has reduced the amount of “Trump and the GOP may be attempting to install a fascist dictatorship but Biden’s old” nonsense in my feed by 95%.
- I've blocked both of them, as well as the politicalmemes community and my Lemmy experience has gotten so much better.
  
  Ozma got banned from politicalmemes recently and it's 1000% better for it
- Ah yes, "old", the only criticism of Biden that does or could ever exist.
  You could've talked about the genocide, but that would've made it sound less frivolous now, wouldn't it?
  Edit: For all the people who don't like people talking about actual genocide that Biden is supporting, minimising the seriousness of a genocide because you think you have a good reason for it is still genocide denial. You have become genocide deniers for the sake of the dubious shift in votes from whatever population of voters you think will see you doing genocide denial and think "actually they have a point I'll vote for Biden now".
  Edit 2: Your case isn't helped by the fact that the only person arguing with me did so with genocide denial. Think about that.
  Edit 3: The other person arguing is also doing genocide denial, but the oblique kind where you pretend that the only reason to criticise a sitting US president engaging in genocide is because you want him to lose an election. Almost like they're denying that we should hold people accountable for genocide on its own merits. That is, and I cannot stress this enough, genocide denial.
  
  And don't forget capitalist Joe. Nobody is talking about the actual capitalism Joe is supporting because you think you have a good reason for it.
  
  It just doesn’t seem like full genocide yet. Genocide light? You may be proved right but I just haven’t seen it. I’m not there though and I’m not smart. There’s a difference between lining everyone up and killing them and starving them while doing military stuff. You may say there isnt a difference, but those are different things to me. Please don’t get me wrong I think what is going on, seemingly for political reasons, is very wrong and bad. But genocide is about the worst so it’s hard be that bad.
  Bring on the downvotes.

The tragic thing, though, is that if lemmy ever "takes off", there's nothing about it that will make it any more resistant to bots and trolls.
It's kinda like back when Macs had no viruses, because nobody bothered.
- I disagree. Lemmy is more resistant to bots because there’s no perverse incentive to boost user activity numbers to please investors and advertisers. Reddit for example doesn’t really care if most comments are fake on a post. It’s still interaction and it pumps numbers. Lemmy is built and run by us. It serves no other masters.
  Given that users naturally self-sort into instances, your trolls are also more likely to congregate on instances and communities that can be blocked. I don’t want to name any names but I do block some instances from my view for a reason. The Russian bots congregate in places that are amenable to this, and the design of Lemmy encourages this self-sorting into places where you’re accepted.
  The problem is still significant, but there are advantages to the fediverse.
  
  I think it would be more likely bots would flood instances with posts at a level that was unrealistic for the small scale admins we currently have to combat.
  
  This'll probably be an "agree to disagree," but I think most websites do make good faith efforts to lower bot usage. Not because I trust them or anything, but because the perception that bot spam is out of control is bad for their bottom line. It drives away real users and high bot activity makes advertisers disinclined to trust that the high traffic is of any value.
- nah, descentralisation is what help, i already read as article explaining exactly that, lemmy problem is that one of it first instances are full of trolls lol
- Not only that, but it's actually a much easier target because of the relatively sporadic moderation.
  Compared to reddit, the Fediverse's ability to moderate propaganda and advertising is puny and uncoordinated.

Hard disagree. I'm already spending less time here because the Kremlin and CCP propaganda ruins the experience for me. I don't even consider recommending it to people I know for the same reason.
- You can block Instances that like those, or switch to and instance where the admins do it on an instance level.
  
  I still see their comments all the time and they still upvote their propaganda on other instances.
- Eh just block the tankie instances. That problem goes away quickly!
  
  Just because I'm not seeing these comments and posts doesn't mean other people aren't. And if they're seeing it, then they'll get seduced by the evil tankie mind-control rays. That means I've got to start blocking them, too.
  Pretty soon, I'll be in this shrinking walled garden of fewer and fewer people who say things I approve of. And then what?! I might begin to question my own self-righteousness or engage in some degree of critical reflection of views. That'll be it. They'll have gotten to me, too!
  The whole Lemmy.world community needs to be severed from any instance of heresy. Otherwise, my personal views might be put at risk.

You forgot that lemmy.ml, lemmygrad, & hexbear exist.
- Hexbear is... I'm just old I guess, I don't understand. My instance is not defederated from them. Whenever I'm reading a post that originates from hexbear, I can always tell. Like it will just hit me and I will look at the source and yep, it's hexbear.
  But I don't exactly understand why. I can't see that they have any particular worldview, they just have a unique (and contrarian) way of expressing... all worldviews, seemingly. It feels like an inside joke that I don't have enough information about to understand.
  Doesn't seem like bots, Russian or otherwise. Too vague. Not enough of a directed agenda. Is it just trolls? They seem to earnest to be trolls.
  
  https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Hexbear
  They're basically trans communist genocide deniers, they've run troll ops which is why they've been mass de-federated.
  \ See https://lemmy.world/post/2498330
  
  They're kids that like confrontation. They don't actually have any agenda other than "this hexbear user said to follow this!" And they jump on it. The next day could be a completely different stance on the subject.
  
  They've chosen a very confrontational path with the way their instance interacts with others, and as a result they get a lot of push back, which just makes them angrier. I suspect anyone trying to be reasonable on the instance gets accused of not being a true believer as well, so only the angriest remain.
  Also, Boost for Lemmy allows you to block an entire instance, it's pretty handy.
  
  Their community came over here long before all us old Redditors and it seems like they've cultivated their own culture and in-jokes and such. It can get confusing to pierce all the irony and sarcasm to figure out what they're saying sometimes.

i haven't gotten into a single fight with a mod in nine months! it's wild
- Of course, one of the things about Lemmy is you can't appeal a mod action (as far as I know)
  JordanLund seems fairly level but once deleted one of my comments for "advocating violence" when I said Nixon and Kissinger should have been hanged for treason. They're both already dead... And that's the legal punishment for high treason. Which they did.
  Tl;Dr you can't get in a mod fight because you can't fight back

As a Russian bot, I'm deeply offended
- same here, i really hate all this neo-liberal drivel about how everything they don't like is a CCP/Kremlin sponsored propoganda

SMCF is one of the comfort usernames that I've seen around ever since joining Lemmy
- Same tbh, the name always gives me a smirk lol
  
  Yes yes it does… shart … fucker… 420, oh! shark! Misread it.
- Comfort =/= super disgusting and weird on purpose
  
  You tell'em, Best Friend.

Very good +1000 social credit, OP
- Huh
  
  I think he is making a joke that OP is, in fact, the bot
  Or maybe he's just bullying OP for circlejerking so hard and giving himself a pat on the back as a Lemmy user
  
  What?

wait, you guys read usernames?
- I tag a lot of people with nicknames. Really makes them stand out a lot more, and when they do the type of content and patterns stick out a lot more.
  
  What app are you using that lets you tag? I love Eternity but if I can get a similar experience with user tagging I'd be pretty excited to try it
  
  I read this comment several times and I still don't understand it. Stand out for what? What content and patterns?
  
  Ooh! What's mine?
- Yeah, there's a lot of power posters here. PugJesus is an example from the opposite camp, calling out the anti-Democrat propaganda from the two OP mentioned.

I see a lot by "the Picard maneuver" or something like that. I can't remember if I like their posts, but there's a lot.
- Tpm is basically porting all old memes from the previous site over. He probably posts 30 a day or smt
  
  Ah. I didn't know. I also don't know how one does that. But makes sense I guess seeing all those posts.

@SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world is a fucking sage, fight me.
- No, he's a copulating thyme! fights
  
  If it doesn't hurt anyone else why do you care? Swings haymaker
- Still a disgusting username.
  
  It's been a long while now, that I've been actively reading usernames to try to find one that's nastier, still have not.

Thank you @satansmaggotycumfart@lemmy.world for making this site a better place o7
You give me bender vibes
- I'm sure he greatly appreciated that, Sharkfucker420

Lemmy is an echo chamber.
GNET research
- I mean it's hard not to be when we're essentially 8 people in a trenchcoat pretending to be social media lol
  It has actually made me feel really awkward knowing just how small this place is. I have this tension between not being able to shut the fuck up and also not wanting to be "known" (maybe in the biblical sense though lol)
  
  I have this tension between not being able to shut the fuck up and also not wanting to be “known”
  Typical Asafum
  
  I kind of like the size to be honest, feels more like I'm having an impact by commenting instead of just getting added to the bottom of a 2000 comment post. I never really commented on the other site for that reason.
  
  wow I'm offended but you are right
- You mean every opinion I don't like isn't automatically a tankie Russian bot???
  
  yes every opinion you don't like isnt automaticly a russian bot and everyone's entitled to have an opinion
  
  No, he means every opinion you don't like is automatically a tankie bot. That's what lemmy is. From tankies, for tankies.
- Luckily it's not a monolith and it's perfectly easy not to interact with lemmygrad. Is world even federated with them?
  
  Not at all but that's not the problem. Although grad and communities like them such as r/movingtonorthkoera and r/greenandunpleasent are what is the problem is both .ml and .world are pretty much massive echo chambers. Half the time I'm not quite sure if I'm on Devs instance or world.

We need rogersimon. I miss his long stories that always ended with his dad beating him with a set of jumper cables.

Downpunxx has been banned from enough places for you guys to forget about him, but kbin refugees will never forget.
- Former kbiner, but out of the loop on this one. What's I miss?
  
  He's just a notorious genocide cheering guy. He got site banned from Lemmy.world but since kbin allowed you to keep replying locally and he would boost himself to be on the top of the conversation he'd be a general annoyance for us.

Yes fellow humans I am also a human and enjoy human activities such as consuming nutrient rich bread products and performing my nightly ritual of scraping detritus from my molars. There are no bots on Lemmy, Just fellow human(s).
- WHY ARE YOU YELLING

This place is a shit hole. But it’s MY shit hole.
- Everyday more and more people use thorbot's shit hole.
  
  Thorbot's shit hole has expanded to 10x its previous size in the past year, thanks to increased usage by members of the public.

Yeah idk. There is getting to be a lot of gonewild content too.
- Thank Christ. Lemmy has been too prudish for too long.
- You just have to block the lemmy.nfsw instance and it goes away. I'm not into porn and doing that made Lemmy lovely.
  
  just have to block the lemmy.nfsw instance and it goes away

Lemmy is an improvement on Reddit, but imo not by much. There really is no innovation on the fundamental concept of subreddits/communities. The issue with Lemmy is that I've come across so many promising communities that quickly die off after the initial spurt of activity. I wonder if there is a better organic way to grow the "online discussion" from some form of general cespool, that can segementize only later when those needed segments (communities) emerge naturally.

I'll start posting more content in a few days. I've been traveling and working a lot. But I've also been playing project zomboid on single player so we'll see if I follow through with my promise.
- Make memes based off the game please

The rarity of trolls is nice. The near absence of advertising accounts is immeasurably gratifying. Valuing both privacy and Linux is…

One thing that I love about Lemmy is how there are people that I always recognise. And you are one of them!

Which one is the bot and which is the troll?
- I'm the bot, obviously.

Yay not relevant enough to spam/ AstroTurf!

It's an egregious error to not have The Picard Manuever as our Supreme Ruler

Another social media claims it's the better than everything else while it's clearly not for the nth time. Why am I not surprised

i seeked lemmy world out, so glad to be here. what finally made me NEED to get away from R****t was the manufactured outrage, clickbait to an incredible degree. people purposely putting up content that reinforces the status quo by encouraging people to get mad about situations that challenge the status quo.
also ridiculously stupid questions, way too many people posting photos of shit and asking "whats wrong here" like come on what the fuck. i'm so sick of it.
- I really should figure out how to get to Lemmy at work. Reddit is wide open but my firewall blocks Lemmy in some random "catch all" filtering.

@Amoxtli coming up fast in the rankings.....

May I enter the chat?
- No.
  
  Sorry, the cheese has spoken.

There's a lot of other shit but it seems that it's organically sorting itself out over time.

They got called out.

The latter username reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo4XXm8OUP4

Всмысле блядь нет русских ботов? Я что для вас, шутка?
- бип-буп, на месте

- Flying squid is definitely not a troll tho. Not sure which bones guy you mean.
  
  Flying Squid is not only not a troll, they're a delight.
  
  BonesOfTheMoon - posts a ton of content, not a troll either.
  
  Me. What did this person say about me? They did a dirty delete.

Lemmy became so much better when I blocked pugjesus and their sockpuppet

Hey! Hey! I'm over here! Do I need to up my cringe and troll game???

good job feeding the trolls OP and everyone @ing them. definitely won’t make them feel vindicated in their presence here. definitely not 🙄

Given how the libs here so readily resort to the unfalsifiable, ad hominem conspiracy theory of accusing anyone who disagrees with them of being a Russian bot, it's wild to think that there are places they see as even more filled with Russian bots.
- My eyes glazed over as soon as you said libs.
  
  Mine did as soon as I saw Lemmy.ml
  
  They're so predictable it's a meme at this point. Shame though, good communities and some good people on .ml I have to proceed on a case by case with them
  
  You don't need to tell me that .world'ers don't like critiques of capitalism/liberalism.
- Word "libs" in first 5 words, opinion rejected
  
  Capitalism fan detected, opinion discarded.
- I guess you're part of the American right? You see... the right in the US has been fed a steady stream of Russian propaganda through their talking heads for a while now. So the right has become indistinguishable from Russian bots. Sorry for the confusion!
  
  Why on earth would you think I'm on the American right?

Good job Ozma when the libs resort to ad-hominems you know you're putting in work.
- If the goal is winning hearts and minds I can't say he's doing much more than yada yada...status quo...yada yada some bullshit Russian talking point.
  
  When the competition is "you're not a real person, also you're Russian", even that may be enough.
- Yes anyone without your opinion is a LiB and that's BaD because extra-militant Joffrey knows best