7mo ago

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I think most of the complaints are that Microsoft Office doesn't work. Which is true. The web version of Microsoft Office is honestly kinda terrible.
And no, people don't want to use a product that does the same thing as Microsoft Office, they want to use a product called "Microsoft Office". No, it's not logical, and doesn't make any sense at all but it's how people are.
- The only sense it makes is that M$ hasn't followed the spec, and so things done in office display fine in say libreOffice, but not the other way around. So if your company is willing to transition, but everyone you deal with outside the company is still on Office, there's a bit of a communication issue. That's M$'s biggest strength, homogenous work environments.
  
  That's why my business only uses pure, crisp .txt files. If I can't open it in notepad, I don't want it!
  
  This needs to become illegal and bear a bankruptcy inducing fine if repeatedly done.
  We need to get rid of these monopolists
  
  There shouldn't even be word processor documents between companies. PDF is the file type for maintaining consistency of page formatting!
  
  So use OnlyOffice instead of LibreOffice
  
  Microsoft’s biggest strength is the Active Directory. Linux user and computer management is a huge PITA.
  
  You spelt monopoly wrong.
- I installed a Windows 11 update. Office no longer worked. Office refused to re-install despite trying a huge number of things. It literally refuses to install. Tried their help tool which even does removal of old references in the system. Failed 5 times.
  Tried using the web version for a simple thing. First localization struggle which doesn’t carry across sessions. Excel column formatted to number. Then to currency. Then to general. Autosum shows #Div!0 still. Tried seeing if the AI could help. Have to re-login. (Using Mozilla this whole time btw). After re-login, ai tool says stop using private mode. I’m not…
  Literally trying to do the simplest autosum on about 25 lines and it can’t function.
  Installed LibreOffice. No problem with ‘Excel’.
  I’m really not exaggerating. I saw online a similar issue and the guy had to reinstall the entire OS to get office to work again 🤨
- Edit the menu entry?
  My dad initially wanted his old Norton Antivirus, so i made an internet shortcut with the logo and name, to a webpage explaining why antivirus sucks.
- I have seriously considered trying to install Microsoft Office 2024 (aka OnlyOffice) for a family member to see if they even notice.
  
  OnlyOffice is pretty nice for homegamers I think. I just don't need or want a full up heavyweight office suite anymore. And I've gotten to the point where I remove LibreOffice and replace it with OnlyOffice every time.
  So do it, just do it. You know you want to........
- Our company has bought into the whole onedrive/teams/ Microsoft family.
  They’ll do what the IT guy says but that first time copilot popped up grrr
- Micro$oft office is being teached in college for my friend and I, having libreoffice, tried doing the exact same thing in it. Not only everything was possible, but also its more convenient in LibreOffice. There are many annoyances in m$ office like auto formatting which cannot be disabled and auto prediction which fills in the details of next cited person from previous (like hell what, how should two people must have same bio?) and now you have to edit all that out by replacing the autofilled ones. LibreOffice on the other hand has much better UX
  (Talking about Excel vs Calc and also Word vs Writer)
  I mean maybe that specific advanced feature is not in libreoffice, but there are much more good things in it that is worth considering using it.
  
  I use libreoffice and onlyoffice daily for academic works, with a few works published out there. I even use more features than the average office user, and I have to listen to people claiming that they can't use any of those, because they're inferior. I even have to listen to people saying that libreoffice isn't suited for doing any SERIOUS WORK, and I'm like "What? My work isn't serious?".
  But tne other user got a point. People want to see the name and the ms office logo. They will reject any alternative just because is isn't ms office, no matter how good and sufficient they are.
- If only libreoffice had an app for mobile platforms...
  Being unable to open the documents I wrote on my computer without using some kind of crappy ad filled third-party app is annoying.
  
  Libre Office has a mobile app. The one called LibreOffice viewer is only a file viewer but works perfectly if you only look at documents, it is developed by the same foundation that develops LibreOffice. If you want to edit, Collabora is the name of the app, it is based on LibreOffice and is officially approved by The Document Foundation. It is developed by one of their certified collaborators. Both are available on Android and iOS.
  
  Try Collabora Office!
- Ironically, Microsoft has retired the "Microsoft Office" name.
- At least one good thing that Google has done is that Docs/Slides work on browsers and (where I live) most people use that now.
  
  Not great if you are also trying to de-Google, though.
  
  Google is not really much better than MS. It still leaves you under the yoke of big tech. "Meet the new boss, the same as the old boss".
- Office 2016 works, there is office online and LibreOffice. What now?
- Have you tried excel ? Its WAY AHEAD of any excel like thing available as office in wild. Just example vlookup , Power tables , vba are no whwre near in any of the products.
  
  You're giving me VBA flashbacks. The worst language I've ever programmed in.

We recently got hdr support tho
- And lack of Adobe is a feature, not an issue.
  Linux wins again.
  
  To access a lot of pdfs used in the military you need adobe or it won’t open, you get this stupid screen telling you to download the latest version. So it’s required for some jobs :(

HDR works. On KDE Wayland and in games only with Gamescope, but we are getting there. And there is the Steam Deck of course.
- I never managed to get gamescope working on my Nobara. Any docs I should look into?
  
  Depends on what you mean with not working. Get any errors? e.g. i like to test with vkcube (vulkan-tools need to be installed. don't know the package name on Nobara / Fedora). if gamescope vkcube runs, then its likely not a gamescope problem but one with the e.g. game you try to run or wine / proton.
  But the latest versions seem to be indeed a bit problematic. The last that works (mostly) flawless on my Arch is 3.14.2. So maybe worth a shot to downgrade to that if your current one fails with vkcube.
  Otherwise, it is probably a good idea to get in contact with the Nobara community or the developer. I hate to recommend Discord, but as far i know that is unfortunately the only place where they are active.
  And there is of course always the excellent Arch Wiki which is usuable for other distros as well: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Gamescope

The funniest thing is, people say Linux is not ready, cause [insert feature] doesn't work. The problem is said feature doesn't work on Windows either.
For example pausing/resuming playback across multiple appliacations using media keys. It's not perfect on Linux (not every app uses MPRIS), but it's not great on Winodws either
- Hell tbh I never use my pause/resume button, I just hit "p." I <3 VLC
  
  Yeah, but that works on VLC only and it has to be focused. With MPRIS you can eg. pause a song playing in mpd, while having VLC focused
- It works way better on Linux. I especially like the gnome screenshot tool
  
  Try flameshot or spectacle, way better.

Last time I tried HDR on Windows, that sucked too.
My Android TV and consoles are about the only devices where it works properly.
- HDR games is fucking baller on the steam deck. I'm legitimately thinking of switching to kde from sway so I can take advantage of it on my new OLED monitor.
- My TV and PS4 Pro have HDR. I'm sure it helps make brightness better, but it just makes everything look yellow.
  Also, I don't even think my TV's HDR works with its apps. I distinctly remember House of the Dragon and trying to see something. I accidentally closed the app and reopened and suddenly it was super clear. It's like it turned the HDR on (or off) and suddenly everything was visible in an otherwise dark scene.
  
  Quality of HDR is very much dependent on the TV you have I think.
  I'm still rocking a 2017 LG OLED which are considered pretty good, but as you go down into LCDs and the cheaper brands, you'll probably take a hit on image quality. Some TVs used to have a yellow pixel as well as red blue and green, so could even be that.
  HDR is less about the brightness (although they are brighter than older TVs) and more about colour and brightness accuracy.

HDR is awesome if you have the right hardware. I've never seen a movie look so good. Someone needs to get HDR working.
- It works in KDE + Wayland.. mostly.. for applications that support it.. and there was this update that ruined my color profile for a while but they fixed that now!
- first game I played in HDR was mass effect legendary. I don't care that the game itself is close to 15 years old, the 4k remaster + HDR blew my mind and set a new standard for how good games could look.
- It does work for most games. MPV player supports it as well. It's still rough around the edges, but it's definitely there.
- It'll be finished on Wayland before the end of this year

You can get both on Linux. KDE Plasma 6 with Wayland supports HDR, and you can even run some Adobe apps through Wine (Photoshop on Linux, Illustrator on Linux).
- Using Adobe on Linux is a sacrilege. Screw that company.
  
  photoshop, illustrator, etc are genuinely good programs though. the 'linux alternatives' just arent usually as powerful or easy to use.
  this is coming from a linux and foss fanatic, btw. i dont use adobe, but i probably would if i was in a creative industry
- Can I run games in HDR, though?
  
  Yes, but you need Gamescope
  https://zamundaaa.github.io/wayland/2023/12/18/update-on-hdr-and-colormanagement-in-plasma.html
  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE#HDR#Games
  
  you can on the steam deck but I'm not sure about normal desktops. proton does support it tho so probably?

I actually do use acrobat for legal document work
It good for adding signatures and making changes to pdf format schtuff
- what do you use for illegal documents?
  
  A pirated copy of acrobat
- Adobe Acrobat works for me using Bottles/Wine. Pirated and old version of course
- If that's your only use case you can also use Xournal++ on Linux which does the job.
  Of course your choice of OS is totally up to you and you don't have to justify it to anyone, just letting you know the tool exists.
  
  Xournal lets you paint on a document, which I guess isn't what they need when they talk about legal stuff. Digitally signing a document is still one of the rare cases where I boot up my windows vm. It's so annoying that there's practically no way to do that in Linux as my company's processes rely on it.

hdr support is coming tho
steamos already has it iirc (well, specifically gamescope)
kde 6 has experimental hdr support with wayland session
cosmic de devs promised hdr support in the first public stable release
what i really miss is passkeys (specifically, using tpm2 to store them like windows hello does)
- Linux is getting support for Windows Hello
  
  Could you elaborate please? What aspects are you referring to? Biometrics for pam? Facial recognition support? Genuinely curious, since I saw the bounty to streamline keepass and pam auth for instance, or howdy for biometrics. Looking forward to both but do you have more information?
  
  Microsoft Defender for Endpoint works on Linux too.
  But like... Why.
  
  i was asking about the passkeys specifically tho, not the biometric auth part of it
  linux only supports hardware security keys like yubikey, not on-device passkeys atm
- SteamOS has HDR support indeed, and it works really well with pretty much all HDR-enabled Windows games in Proton I've tried.
- Right? I wish that had more focus than HDR.
  I think a big problem is TPM enforcing initramfs. Hoping ukis get wrapped up and as a result more focus is on trusted compute in general

From my experience in Linux:
Many pirated games installer doesn't work under wine (like from xatab, RG Mechanic, Razor, etc) unless you download pre-installed games like from IGG Games or you just download pirated gog games
Buggy glitching games work under wine (i don't know why that happened)
Many mod organizer & tools (MO, VORTEX, NMM, etc) doesn't work unless you download old version or download some sketchy dll files from sketchy website to make those programs works well
Sometimes after running games under wine my system crashes like unable to restart/shutdown or failed to open some programs like dolphin, terminal, etc (maybe bc my system running on wayland)
No Photoshop, After Effects, or Microsoft Office (yes....i know linux has similar programs but those suck & my workplace has standard)
Hard to fine tuning some apps unless you wanna do some dirty work in YAML or XML or CONF files
- Mod organizer 2 leastest exe work with wine (I used Lutris) I have yet to find a games installers that didn't work with wine (I download my games from fit girl repacks)
  
  Fitgirl installers just crash on me 🤷‍♂️
- My solution to #1 is installing it in a VM and copying the installed game over. It works, but quite annoying
- Xatab's work fine. I only had one pirate installer in hundreds of games that i couldn't get to work. You sometimes need vcrun (newest is vcrun2022) from winetricks to get it working.
  Mod organizers usually have a linux version or at least work in wine. What hurts is wabbajack hasn't and doesn't work.
  Edit: nevermind. The one that didn't work at all was the installer of 'Network Addon Mod' for SimCity4k.
- You've just said your 5 biggest problems with Linux are things that Microsoft did.
  
  Microsoft made mod organizers not work?
- Can you explain why MS office alternatives like libreoffice suck?
  
  I think it comes down to 2 main reasons, and some members of the libreoffice suite definitely do a better job than others.
  Comparability with MS Office, it's really difficult to use these programs when you can't reliably collaborate with people using the de-facto standard office software. Impress is exceptionally bad at this.
  User interface clunkines, the ribbon ui Microsoft uses in modern office versions is really nice, and makes finding the actions you need really easy. This is coming from someone who used office 03 and 07, it's not just a learning thing, it's a better design.
  These issues are definitely a bigger deal on some parts of the suite than others. I've found Calc to be a solid replacement for Excel, but when I'm making spreadsheets I'm not fiddling with complex formatting at all. Impress is on the opposite end of the spectrum. It has horrible comparability with PowerPoint, and I need to get things looking just right when I make a presentation. It's difficult to find even basic formatting options. I could probably solve the usability issues by reading a few tutorials, but the comparability issues hold me back from putting the time in, since I have no idea how a presentation will look when someone loads it in PowerPoint anyway.
- The first one I've never encountered, but I also never heard about those (only razor). Fit girl always works (the one with Amelie). I've tried others and also worked.
  It could be those installers have dependencies that are not in your base bottle?
- Vortex works quite well for me, the only game that is not working correctly is BG3 because of the third party tool to mod the game requires .NET 8 and even if I install it with ProtonTricks/WineTricks the tool doesn't recognize it. With the game receiving official mod support I think the issue will be fixed.
- Mate you can't tune apps on windows at all. Most of those things actually work on Linux. You just exposing yourself
- For the first one, try Lutris

I'm still waiting for gimp to actually be a viable alternative program to photoshop before installing dual boot linux
Gimp lacks photoshop features and still isn't catered towards creatives which is the main demographic of people using the software
I'm aware of krita but it's suited as a drawing program and also lacks many of the photo editing features I would use in photoshop
- Sadly, I don't see Gimp ever competing with Photoshop. It's not necessarily a feature parity thing, nor is it a mind share thing. It's as you've said - it's not built by creatives to be the best possible tool for many types of design.
  It's truly a shame, because for years Adobe slept on different aspects of digital design, and there was a true opportunity to build a Linux-first tool that made things like Web Design so much simpler. It's an unpopular opinion, but Linux window managers have always lacked creative input. There has always either been a design-by-commitee, or a design-by-engineer feel - and this is reflected in how poor Gimp and design tools are in the Linux space.
  In reality, Linux could have the best photo editing and design-specific tooling, but sadly the tooling either lacks a creative touch, or lacks features that are truly needed to be competitive.
  
  I think my biggest issue with the Gimp is that it simply exists. If it didn’t exist there’d be a huge hole in the free software space and people would get together to build software to fill it. But of course there’s no guarantee that would actually produce something better.
  Maybe the real problem with the Gimp is that it’s built to scratch an itch for its own developers who are used to its bizarre UIs and workflows. For all the people I’ve seen complaining about the Gimp over the years, none have stepped up to create an alternative. I think this is likely due to the intersection between visual arts people and software engineers being extremely small (and likely most working for Adobe already).
  
  but, since it's open source - in principle those creatives and ux designers could actually pitch in and offer their expertise to help improve further versions?
  
  Most open source tool have the same thing that it feels like it's made by engineers. I think that's because it's true, most FOSS tools are made by engineers for engineers. Because most project start with someone needing something and then creating it and sharing it.
  Chances of a programmer needing something and then making it is a lot higher, than an artist needing it and then making it as then there'd be a need to have the necessary skills to make the software. As someone not from CS field I've seen how much of redundant programs are present for CS related tasks while barely some exists for other fields because the overlap of programmer and that field is low specifically FOSS programmers. And a few programmers that field would have don't have the high level software development skills, so most open source tools made by them are "works on my machine, or works for this specific task" even though with less than 1% more effort they could have made a generalized tool.
  
  but Linux window managers have always lacked creative input.
  What do you mean? Window managers' job is to show windows where they are desired and not show windows where they are not desired. With optional bells and whistles like snapping to edges and autoresizing to screen quadrants.
- I’m still waiting for DOS to reach feature parity with MacOS
- Have you tried photopea? It doesn't have everything Photoshop has but it's been able to fit my needs
- Use Krita simply
  
  Krita > Gimp gang
  
  Krita was mentioned
- Wait why? Isn't the whole point of dual booting that you still have your windows install, and you could use photoshop there?
- From a software engineering POV Photoshop is a bad software (against unix philosophy) and no Free Software wants to be a bad software, so forget about feature parity and use different apps for different things that mistakenly all done by Photoshop.
  
  (against unix philosophy)
  I'm not sure what to say, so I'll just say this is GUI program.

I'm really glad DaVinci Resolve exists to fill the void of a proper video editor too, Kdenlive just ain't it for me.
- Unfortunately the free version on Linux doesn't support H.264/H.265 and even the paid version doesn't support AAC so using Resolve requires you to transcode if you're using any normal consumer camera.
  
  doesn't support AAC
  Use OPUS. Better and free.
- I love kden, very logical ui and love that it can do anything. What is it about DaVinci that appeals?
  
  Both work well, but DaVinci is better with color grading, audio post-production, visual effects, collaboration, and format support, just to name a few. It's a professional product made for professionals.
- I've had the same experience too. Last I checked, Kdenlive doesn't have GPU rendering either. DaVinci resolve slaps though. And you can get a paid copy. Get outta here with that subscription nonsense, Adobe.

The biggest problem with Linux (other than the whole "most people give up the second they see a terminal" thing) is software availability, which will hopefully improve as Linux gains market share.
- 2024 is indeed the year of the linux desktop

I am wondering how many people give up because their exact program isn't on there.
I get having to use Adobe software if you are an industry professional, but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about people who don't want to change because qbittorrent is not the same as utorrent. Or peazip is different than 7zip.
- Both qbittorrent and 7zip are FOSS projects that are perfectly available on Linux. There's actually very few software packages that aren't also on Linux, but they have a strong pull. Like AutoCad, Photoshop, video editors, DAWs, etc. Is specialized niche software, not everyday software that usually stop people. Also, they are unfamiliar with a workflow to do certain things on Linux's DEs.
  
  I haven't seen utorrent on linux or 7zip with the gui integration like it has in windows. That was my example.
- I'm somewhat of a creator myself and I mostly use creative software that has Linux versions (will move to Linux once Win 10's support expires and/or I somehow get enough money for a new PC), and they're legit better than Adobe software for my usecase. Photoshop is nearly unusable for digital painting (it's more of a photo-editing software with some drawing capabilities), Krita is pretty good, and my only pet peewee was that some of the brush compositing modes had confusing names and were hidden deep inside the menu, but then I found "greater", which can somewhat mimic the behavior of the default CSP brushes.
  Also can someone recommend me a guitar amp modeller (preferably an open-source one), that is available on Linux, so I won't suffer from both the demo of Guitar Rig came with my Arturia Minifuse, or with trying to get one running in Wine with all their complicated copy protection schemes?
- I'm probably an outlier lol, I installed the Windows version of 7zip (via wine) alongside the native Linux version just to have a GUI for setting the compression parameters if I'm creating a new archive from the file manager
- sometimes the alternatives are even ok!

Is fractional scaling still ass in Linux? I tried manjaro, elementary os, and Linux Mint a couple of years ago and that bugged me the most.
- I am on Manjaro plasma 6 with AMD gpu and it works without a hitch. Single 32 inch 4k monitor over displayport
- I'm currently using Plasma Wayland on Arch with the 1080p monitor built into my laptop and an external 4K monitor right next to it at 175%, and it works flawlessly. When a window is half on one monitor and half on the other it actually looks how it's supposed to. I can drag a window back and forth between the monitors and watch it rescale itself to run at that monitor's native resolution. Some apps, you don't even see the transition. The current scale is passed through to the applications, so text looks nice and sharp.
- wayland: No its good X11: probs same as it was b4
  
  Fractional Scaling on Plasma's Wayland session specifically is good now. GNOME on Wayland forces blurry scaling on every Xwayland app with no way to opt out.

as a person who has it installed and has an OLED monitor, am not pictured. Of the few things why I haven't bothered connecting my laptop to my monitor ever yet, though it happened recently for KDE plasma

My personal grievances are using a laptop with ubuntu. No wireless casting of display to tv, no good smart phone as a mouse/keyboard control, the screen is sometimes sideways for no reason.
But Linux and stuff is interesting still. I'm just not ready for it as a daily driver.
- KDE connect is pretty great right now. I use it as a remote all the time and even wirelessly transfer files between devicss.
  
  KDE connecting infuriates the hell out of me. It's so close to being good. The features aren't at parity between the different platforms. It is absolutely awful at finding and pairing your phone. I have three different networks I connect to on a regular basis. I don't want to run static IPs on every network nor do all the clients support static IP. If you do use static IPs you better only need that one because it can't choose from a list. Wanted to scan a different subnet than you're on for your mobile device tough luck. I want to use it, I have it installed. I've said it IGMP hints. It's just not written well.
  All that said, if you have an ISP bog standard router and one network that plays nice with it, it definitely works as a keyboard and mouse remote...

Idk, I installed fedora 40 some time ago, and many things were broken out of the box. In that regard windows seems a bit more friendly to a new user
- But they layer so many unwanted services and bloatware on top that it makes it hard to use. Being forced to be online to log in and forced use of OneDrive confuses new users just as much
  
  It sounds like you've read about but not used windows for a while tbh. The going online thing is true, but its not exactly confusing. Not sure what you mean by onedrive, I uninstalled it years ago.
  
  Being forced to be online to log in and forced use of OneDrive confuses new users just as much
  You're not forced to use either of those, IIRC. Just set it up without connecting to the internet or without signing in.
  
  Why would you skip online login? It protects your laptop from being stolen, it syncs settings between devices, etc. Do you skip online logins for Android and iOS phones too? Of course you don't!
- Linux Mint and Zorin OS work out of the box for most users. Usually the most complicated part is just the installation process (which can be an absolute pain if the starting system has Intel RST, Secure Boot and Fast Boot all enabled). Of course, more advanced users always can run the risk of breaking something (I accidentally broke my system irreparably at one point when I did a dumb and formatted my Swap for some reason and had to reinstall) but that's also true of Windows.
  
  Okay, zorin os , not complicated part is not true. On any Linux 1., try to find where is program main executable is 2. Put that at startup, so thatbsoftwre starts at login 3. Connect HDD and ensure that it's available in ALL programs , without touching terminal. These things are trivial in windows. Linux or the v n zonrin works out of box if you just want to surf Internet.

What I want from an OS:
Free, or a one time fee
Tells the date and time
Has a folder system that is indexed and easily searched.
Supports Microsoft Office, Adobe Creative Suite, and Steam.
That's it. Genuinely cannot think of any reason I would ever want my computer OS to do anything more than that.
- How 'bout "not spy on you?" That's a big one for me personally.
- Why Microsoft office? Who not just "office"? Libre Office is the same
  
  It's not the same and I wish people would stop pretending that it is. Does it do what most people need it to do though? Yeah, probably.
  
  The key is being able to share those files with windows users who are definitely on Microsoft office
  
  No, it is better
- I would like a web browser and don’t want to lose my password manager
- So Windows with something like the tool "everything"

I use windows on one of my computers just in case some friend wants to play some invasive anti-cheat game...

Not all games with anti cheat work on Linux.
- Not all games with ~~anti cheat~~ kernel level spyware work on Linux.
  ftfy
- Go complain to the developer of those games, they run on Linux. The devs don't want to enable it. Dunno why you'd give money to people who don't care about you

This clip lives in my head rent free.
- where is the clip from?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8rFC-859CI

I need CAD software, but I don't think AutoCAD runs on Linux.
- FreeCAD is pretty good
  
  As a user of FreeCAD and someone who made a living using CAD software, FreeCAD ain't it for the 'real world' yet. But I do have hopes that someday it might be.
- OnShape?

I've beeb gaming in HDR for years, that is definitely a deal breaker for me. Shocked honestly that with OLED monitors blowing up, linux still doesn't support HDR?
- The problem with HDR is that it’s very difficult to get working on X11, to the point that those who tried (NVIDIA, 8 years ago) gave up long time ago and moved on. X11/Xorg is legacy solution that is still there mostly because it always was and things still depend on it.
  Wayland can get HDR and it gradually does, but it wasn’t priority for quite a long time as there was much more basic stuff missing, to the point many users wouldn’t switch until recently, and because X was still the preferred display system for most users for such a long time, it wasn’t priority to fill missing gaps on Wayland side and it wasn’t moving forward too fast.
  Now that things are coming together, over half of the user base (probably) already switched to Wayland, there are more desktop/WM options on the Wayland side, with fewer showstoppers every year, finally NVIDIA drivers start working on Wayland, color management is also getting closer to be part of the official spec. It’s already possible to play games in HDR, but with some solvable caveats: if a game runs on X11 (which for Wine/Proton the Wayland driver is still experimental) they use swap-chain hack to that’s only available in the gamescope compositor, so either in full blown Steak Deck session or wrapped in nested gamescope instance. This will be more out-of-box when:
  the stable color management protocol is actually in place, more compositors implement it (currently only gamescope and kwin_wayland have HDR)
  winewayland.drv stabilizes and implements HDR
  Wine and Proton run on Wayland natively by default
  
  See windows drives me insane, but this probably would too
- It's maddening. Somehow valve figured out how to get it to work in steam os in gaming mode but it's still MIA in the desktop
- Steam deck is the only linux device that does AFAIK, via their in-house compositor Gamescope.
  It's on GitHub, but I have a feeling some of the HDR specfics that would be needed for an open source linux implementation could be at the ransom of some standards body, like 4K 120fps support on AMD graphics cards under Linux

My love for Linux remains unrequited because my work in video and photography ties me to Adobe. I’ve dabbled with dual-booting, and though Linux’s allure is undeniable, the inconvenience of constantly switching between operating systems is unbearable. The idea of mastering DaVinci Resolve and an alternative photo editor has crossed my mind, but deadlines loom, and time to learn new software is scarce. The anxiety of not knowing if I can accomplish my tasks with unfamiliar programs is overwhelming. Ironically, my disdain for Adobe rivals my contempt for Musk and Trump, making it all the more disheartening to feel ensnared by Adobe’s ecosystem when tantalising alternatives are just out of reach.
- https://github.com/MisconceivedSec/photoshop-22-linux

I'm not watching movies in Linux, I don't really care about HDR, but I've had nothing but horrible experiences out of video editing products in Linux. If it's not a skin for FFmpeg, My project has about a 10% chance of making it through to usable output.
- Hah the movies I watch never existed in HDR!
- I used the limited HDR capabilities of my monitor (VA panel with no backlight zones I can spot) in some games, it's somewhat better than in normal mode, otherwise I just use SDR to save power.
- DaVinci Resolve works pretty well

Wait... There's no HDR support? Is that true?
HDR is more important than high frame rates in many games, assuming you have a good monitor that supports it. Seriously, it's amazing and extremely underrated.
- The meme is kinda outdated. You can get HDR since KDE Plasma 6
  
  Do game support it? Last I heard it didn't work on any games
  
  Which came out less than a year ago and is the first desktop to support it.
- Barely anybody has a good HDR monitor tho
  
  Yeah there are like 5 monitors with full array local dimming, most being $500+ except for that one AOC. And OLEDs are still $700+ and have burn-in after a year of desktop use.
  
  You'd be surprised
  
  I accidentally got one because I needed a good one for creative work. When I turned this on... Holy shit guys, it's insane.
  I have an HDR TV that is garbage, too. But my monitor using HDR makes games look absolutely beautiful. This was 5 years ago, too... I bet they get so much better now.
  
  TVs do.
- Come back in a year or two
  Or alternatively run SteamOS

I can forgive the lack of support. That comes with time and adoption.
What makes it bad for me is how buggy every single DE is.
- Plasma 6 is pretty OK so far. I'm using it every day.
  On my laptop though haven't used it much on full desktop.
  
  Yup, Plasma 6 has been pretty great. Had to fix a couple of issues with Nvidia but it's been incredibly smooth.
- It depends on what you are using. For me Fedora and Linux Mint are stable.
  
  It does not depend on what you're using. They're all buggy.
- Have you tried Xfce? Usually it's pretty damn stable and bug-free in my experience (outside of one time I found a bug which had a perfect workaround anyway) in my past 7 years of using it.
  
  I have yes.
  
  Please tell that’s pronounced as X-Face.

I literally use both of those yes

Nobody uses Gimp anymore?
- I do.
- Still use and like it
- Prefer photopea
  
  Photopea is really nice. So is Krita. I wish Affinity would make a Linux version, but i doubt they would ever do that.

My stream deck, which I use to resize windows, lock my computer, handle Spotify and discord, and more, does not work at all with Linux. Switching to my dual boot option feels like cutting off my left thumb, sure I can still do most things it just takes longer and feels awkward so why would I?
- I struggled with this for a while, especially since my stream deck is a newer model with knobs and a touchscreen (streamdeck+) so most of the software I tried doesn't fully support it. Here is some of the software I have tried:
  Boatswain -gnome themed, didn't really like it as it has no knob or touchscreen support (yet), and I don’t think it could run shell commands although I could be mistaken
  Stream Controller - another gnome themed app and still doesnt fully support the stream deck plus
  Streamdeck-ui - a qt app which can do some simple things like triggering keypresses and running shell commands, I used this for a while
  Bitfocus Companion - a cross platform app with a web interface with lots of integrations; I’ve been using this as it fully supports my stream deck, knobs and all, as well as offering a lot of customisation with expressions and variables. I haven’t been able to get the discord integration to work correctly (at least with vesktop), but it works perfectly to control my media player, home assistant and mic. I even got it to display my now playing song and cover art, which I couldn’t figure out on windows with elgato’s official software.
  If you’ve tried any of these and it wasn’t working, it could be an issue with udev rules, if these aren’t configured the software cannot interact with the device.
- I'm confused. I don't have a steam deck. Your steam deck is Linux. But it also sounds like you're using you steam deck like a Wii U Gamepad for your Windows Desktop? I can't tell if this is a shit post or a complaint about (seemingly) niche functions of a steam deck.
  
  They didn't misspell "stream deck"
  
  Haha no worries, I also own a Steam Deck handheld, to make it extra confusing, but I was talking about a Stream deck by Elgato, a little device with programmable buttons.
- So I'm confused. The Steam Deck is Linux
  
  They didn't say Steam Deck

The day MS Office comes to linux (never?) normal people will definitely start using it (or their employers will force them to use it at work).
- Unpopular opinion: Microsoft Office suite sucks in UI and UX. LibreOffice is far superior to it.
  
  Counter point: people who like a office suite like it because they know how to use it
  
  Gonna say I hated my experience with some of the LibreOffice apps, especially Impress. PowerPoint (and for that matter, Onlyoffice) is far superior in terms of layout.
  
  I second you brother. I can't find shit in office suit, it's like they hide things on porpoise.
- They will move the goal post and complain about something else Linux does or doesn't do.
- I actually don't like ms office any longer. I used to use Open Office, and I kind of miss it. But I see your point, businesses still use this nonsense.
- It is losing popularity
- Hasn't Office worked under Wine since forever?
  (And if not, what are the show stoppers?)
  
  Newest versions don't work very well. The only over that worked consistently got me read 2010.
  I think part of the issue is that it's quite integrated with the system and that makes it harder. Crossover lists 2013 as working, but 2021 as not even installing

HDR is amazing, SDR feels like stoneage
- On my phone yes but monitors are way too expensive for the effect it has.
  Although a terminal with a completely black background sounds pretty cool…
  
  OLED monitors will give you absolute dark blacks (text rendering sucks in windows but not sure about other os)

use winapps on linux, adobe isn't problem anymore, nor office
- Wait, as in office 365?
  
  latest crossover supports o365

Does mint have trial/dual boot easy install like Ubuntu?
- Yes, any distro with a live ISO will allow you to try it on a USB and dual boot if you want.
  
  But does it have the easy dual boot setup flow of Ubuntu? With that you tick the option in setup and it basically does everything for you, just asks about disk allocation

Who doesn't use HDR, lol?
- Me. I don't have an hdr screen.
- Me, I genuinely don't see the point in HDR.
  
  I didn't either, after using it for a year or so I see it as more important than resolution above 1080 in most newer games
- My screen doesn't even support it... But I'm also a cheapskate.
- Me, even though I do have a compatible laptop screen... I don't want to risk burning the OLED screen.
  Edit: might give it a try though
  
  It doesn't affect burn in though?
  
  Here I thought burn in died with CRTs
  
  Your OLED will burn in any case. So, enjoy HDR while you can.

Can you not use premiere if you have a virtual machine running windows? I really want to switch over but I'm so engrained with premiere that learning Davinci just seems like a nightmare
- Yeah you can. Some people don't double boot if they need windows. They have windows secluded on a VM.
- That works fine. For any GPU task, like encoding, having a second one is great.

I use a Mac for Adobe and music production. Windows for when I need Office app features only found in the Windows desktop versions (looking at you Excel), an occasional game (very rare) and for some corporate clients. TBF, corporate clients with Windows requirements nowadays just ship us laptops configured by them. For everything else, Linux.

I'vw become so brainwashed by the FOSS Difference™ that if I see something exclusive to proprietary OSes, I assume it's 99% marketing and not actually an important nor useful feature. I have no idea what HDR is, but it sounds like a marketing acronym for something that's done worse than the FOSS equivalent
Also, my life is objectively better since I stopped using Adobe outside work.
- Genuinely surprised you haven't heard about HDR before.
  It's not needed for office work, but for media consumption it has been a big thing for at least half a decade at this point. I'm not sure you'll find a modern TV that doesn't support it at this point.
  
  I'm not him, but my TV is a 2007 1080p LCD Dumb TV. I'm not sure I need HDR support.
  OH and I have a CRT upstairs, tiny with the VCR combo.

Most users pirate them.
- I love pirating HDR support

HDR? Who the fuck cares?
- Every cinephile and most gamers
  
  I actually ran into a scenario where I wanted HDR on a Linux desktop only days after writing this. It was a stupid comment
  
  Yep I don't even play that many games but I watch a lot of movies/TV. HDR works great in mpv. Couple of tweaks in your mpv.conf and you're off to the races.
- HDR is actually pretty cool, at least when you got a proper HDR display such as an OLED screen

A friend came to my place with his Linux laptop, to grab some privateered games off of my Nas.
Couldn't connect to anything on the network.
He was like 'yo let me try these command lines'
When he was done fiddling around his computer wouldn't boot.
- That friend sounds like they were pretty stupid or they just had an unrelated issue at the same time.
  
  Sounds like a typical Linux user ;)

Here is to barge of negative votes but why linux sucks
A user has to use terminals for lot of cases when they have to install softwares
There is no single way to add program to startup on different distors, even in some distros you have to go terminal route
Its 2024 nobody wants to use terminals like Olsen days , while using os at fullest not possible in Linux
A user who wants to do something can/will cone across rabbit hole. You want to install xyz , then can't run cause it has depend view, you installed those but there are this thing missing , that thing missing............
I only care about Minecraft, if you search if moneycraft runs on Linux , third results shows you rabbit hole , second is question which distro can't run Minecraft...... REPEAT I AND DOZENS OF US , DONT CARE ABOUT STEAM AT ALL.
6.i plug in HDD it's availablity to me throught apps across anything , I don't have to MOUNT -A-B-C xyz anywhere at all
I will paste a full reply from another thread Till then linux dudebros linux does not work for ordinary users no matter what market share it has .
Courtesy user :bearoftime Lol, right. Linux ain't even close to replacing windows - just look at the gaming issues that persist, or other compatibility issues.
It's great for specific use-case scenarios, but I'm not dealing with supporting friends and family when stuff doesn't work because I told them to install a Linux distro.
Besides, business doesn't have this issue - it's only on home (not Pro) installs, because for business we do all sorts of system management that would preclude this, even is MS tried to push it.
This just reflects how MS sees home users - there's no profit there (never has been, it's always been about getting people used to Windows at home, to capture the audience).
No one in my family is allowed to use Windows Home versions. They either buy pro when they get a new computer, or I get it for them.
My standard response to "just go Linux" :
I keep having to say this, as much as I like Linux for certain things, as a desktop it's still no competition to Windows, even with this awful shit going on.
As some background - I had my first UNIX class in about 1990. I wrote my first Fortran program on a Sperry Rand Univac (punched cards) in about 1985. Cobol was immediately after Fortran (wish I'd stuck with Cobol).
I run a Mint laptop. Power management is a joke. Configured as best as possible, walked in the other day and it was dead - as in battery at zero, won't even boot. Windows would never do this, unless you went out of your way to config power management to kill the battery (even then, to really kill it you have to boot to BIOS and let it sit, Windows will not let a battery get to zero).
There no way even possible via the GUI to config power management for things like low/critical battery conditions /actions.
There are many reasons why Linux doesn't compete with Windows on the desktop - this is just one glaring one.
Now let's look at Office. Open an Excel spreadsheet with tables in any app other than excel. Tables are something that's just a given in excel, takes 10 seconds to setup, and you get automatic sorting and filtering, with near-zero effort. The devs of open office refuse to support tables, saying "you should manage data in a proper database app". No, I'm not setting up a DB in an open-source competitor to Access. That's just too much effort for simple sorting and filtering tasks, and isn't realistically shareable with other people. I do this several times a day in excel.
Now there's that print monitor that's on by default, and can only be shut up by using a command line. Wtf? In the 21st century?
Networking... Yea, samba works, but how do you clear creds you used one time to connect to a share, even though you didn't say "save creds"? Oh, yea, command line again or go download an app to clear them for for you. Smh.
Oh, you have a wireless Logitech mouse? Linux won't even recognize it. You have to search for a solution and go find a download that makes it work. My brand new wireless mouse works on any version of windows since 2000, at the least, and would probably work on Win95.
Someone else said it better than me:
Every time I've installed Linux as my main OS (many, many times since I was younger), it gets to an eventual point where every single thing I want to do requires googling around to figure out problems. While it's gotten much better, I always ended up reinstalling Windows or using my work Mac. Like one day I turn it on and the monitor doesn't look right. So I installed twenty things, run some arbitrary collection of commands, and it works.... only it doesn't save my preferences.
So then I need to dig into .bashrc or .bash_profile (is bashrc even running? Hey let me investigate that first for 45 minutes) and get the command to run automatically.. but that doesn't work, so now I can't boot.. so I have to research (on my phone now, since the machine deathscreens me once the OS tries to load) how to fix that... then I am writing config lines for my specific monitor so it can access the native resolution... wait, does the config delimit by spaces, or by tabs?? anyway, it's been four hours, it's 3:00am and I'm like Bryan Cranston in that clip from Malcolm in the Middle where he has a car engine up in the air all because he tried to change a lightbulb.
And then I get a new monitor, and it happens all damn over again. Oh shit, I got a new mouse too, and the drivers aren't supported - great! I finally made it to Friday night and now that I have 12 minutes away from my insane 16 month old, I can't wait to search for some drivers so I can get the cursor acceleration disabled. Or enabled. Or configured? What was I even trying to do again? What led me to this?
I just can't do it anymore. People who understand it more than I will downvote and call me an idiot, but you can all kiss my ass because I refuse to do the computing equivalent of building a radio out of coconuts on a deserted island of ancient Linux forum posts because I want to have Spotify open on startup EVERY time and not just one time. I have tried to get into Linux as a main dev environment since 1997 and I've loved/liked/loathed it, in that order, every single time.
I respect the shit out of the many people who are far, far smarter than me who a) built this stuff, and 2) spend their free time making Windows/Mac stuff work on a Linux environment, but the part of me who liked to experiment with Linux has been shot and killed and left to rot in a ditch along the interstate.
Now I love Linux for my services: Proxmox, UnRAID, TrueNAS, containers for Syncthing, PiHole, Owncloud/NextCloud, CasaOS/Yuno, etc, etc. I even run a few Windows VM's on Linux (Proxmox) because that's better than running Linux VM's of a Windows server.
Linux is brilliant for this stuff. Just not brilliant for a desktop, let alone in a business environment.
Linux doesn't even use a common shell (which is a good thing in it's own way), and that's a massive barrier for users.
If it were 40 years ago, maybe Linux would've had a chance to beat MS, even then it would've required settling on a single GUI (which is arguably half of why Windows became a standard, the other half being a common API), a common build (so the same tools/utilities are always available), and a commitment to put usability for the inexperienced user first.
These are what MS did in the 1980's to make Windows attractive to the 3 groups who contend with desktops: developers, business management, end users.
All this without considering the systems management requirements of even an SMB with perhaps a dozen users (let alone an enterprise with tens of thousands).
- What’s wrong with the Terminal? It’s all I used on Mac. I hate the windows command prompt.
  Minecraft Java runs awesome on Linux. The only Minecraft version that matters.
  
  Yeah I also didn't understand the take about Minecraft. It's literally installed the same way as in Windows. Being a Java game, it doesn't care at all, you can run it on whatever. And Java itself is installed just the same.
  
  Terminal or any command line is not user friendly.
  It may be poweruser friendly, but that is only a sliver of users.
  
  I honestly think terminal simplifies a lot of things. It's quick to pick up on the most common commands and ends up being way faster and easier than installing an executable. Every time I find out something isn't available on Homebrew, I just GAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
- I think your issue with Linux and the terminal might be your horrid grip on the written language and not a Linux problem
  
  You mean you don't refer to the past as the "Olsen" days?
  
  Nah, their right... For people that can see the matrix (If you pardon the analogy) its fine and preferable to a desktop. However, to most people if it can be done from the desktop or menus it may as well not exist. If you try and explain it their eyes glaze over, they dont eant to learn something new, they just want to stare at the ass of the woman in the red dress...
  Im expirenced enough to live in a terminal because I host servers locally and Im a fairly recent convertee to full-time Linux desktop for gaming. Ive been shouting from the roof tops that its good enough now, to the people in my immediate meat space it falls of deaf ears, the privacy trainwreck that is windows and the evils of the modern internet are not a concern to them. So they dont feel any need to change things...
- Not really a lot of cases. It only appears that way because the terminal is just efficient so people generally tend to use it over the alternative. Very rarely, if at all, would the average user need to use the terminal at this point. Assuming the end user isn’t using a more advanced distro like Arch or Gentoo.
  There’s plenty of ways to achieve that. It largely depends on the desktop env. But the most common ones make it very easy. Though their settings.
  Sounds like the end users problem more than Linux’s problem. They don’t have to use the terminal. But a lot of FUD around the subject makes it out like there’s a requirement to use it.
  How common is this issue? Package managers handle dependencies automatically so you don’t have issues with needing to install X to install Y to install Z. You just install Z. X and Y are pulled in automatically.
  Again that’s the end users issue if they’re incapable of figuring out how to search their issue or how to decide which source is useful to them or not. Installing MC is painfully easy on just about any distro. Just install prism launcher. Every distro should be able to run Minecraft because the game is written in Java. Java’s whole thing is that its code is portable/not platform specific.
  Yeah that’s an issue. It should be better than it is. But it’s also not too hard to handle.
- Not really, just use your DE's software manager.
  This isn't dependent on distro, but your DE, which determines the entire UI. It's like complaining the settings menu isn't consistent between Google's Android and Samsung's Android. For reference, under Gnome, you have to install Gnome Tweaks, then just open that and go to Startup Applications in the sidebar.
  Heavily depends on what you want to do. Many use cases (such as Minecraft) don't really need the terminal at all.
  Yeah, that's not at all unique to Linux though
  Minecraft Java is officially available on Linux, and should be available in your software manager. Minecraft bedrock is not available officially, but a program called Minecraft Bedrock Launcher is available that will let you run the Android version of the game.
  I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but media should be available to mount in the side bar of your file manager
- A user has to use terminals for lot of cases when they have to install softwares
  Did you ever used the winget/Chocolatey in Windows? Is fucking awesome, so much better than downloading random .exe on google, clicking next 5 times and unchecking the option to install the antivirus bundled with the program.
  There is no single way to add program to startup on different distors, even in some distros you have to go terminal route
  ??, Tweaks on Gnome and KDE Settings program.
  I only care about Minecraft, if you search if moneycraft runs on Linux.
  Prism launcher flatpak, minecraft running with 5 seconds and the mod support/profiles is fucking dope.
  .i plug in HDD it’s availablity to me throught apps across anything , I don’t have to MOUNT -A-B-C xyz anywhere at all
  Ok this one sucks, took me quite some time to understand and setup for the first time
- No you don't need the terminal in most distros meant for desktop use to install software. Your distro will have a GUI app store, then flatpak and snap which are the most common software repositories after your distro's default also have GUI. You can use the terminal because it is literally faster, you don't have to if you lack cognitive ability to write apt install gimp or some shit.
- You're just wrong on literally every point dude.
  Nope, I've installed Linux Mint for multiple people, several different apps, never touched the terminal. I even updated the kernel all through the GUI.
  Basically the same on all the most popular distros. Searching "startup" or "autostart" in KDE Plasma, Cinnamon, and Gnome DEs all bring up an easy GUI app for getting programs to start automatically.
  Same as #1. You don't need to use the terminal to install most software, especially not anything popular. And guess what, you need the terminal to do hardcore stuff on Windows too. I know because I've worked for years in IT and have to use the Windows terminal for all kinds of random stuff, I literally had to use Powershell today.
  This happens in Windows too. Just ask me how many times I've had to install old .NET frameworks or other random drivers/3rd party software to get some piece of software/hardware to work on Windows. Something that I thought would be a 10 minute install turns into an hour because of random shit not working right.
  Bruh, I play Minecraft all the time. Hundreds and hundreds of hours. It's one of the easiest games to play on Linux. And I play with tons of mods, texture packs, and shaders. I've been playing Minecraft on multiple Linux distros for 4 years, it runs great.
  All major distros auto-mount external drives. I have a whole bag of thumb drives, external HDDs, and SSDs that I use in my day job. Never had a problem with them not being picked up and mounted by any of the Linux systems I work on.
  I mean, don't use it I guess, but stop spreading these obviously false claims, man. Have fun getting all your personal data farmed by a multi trillion dollar megacorp and fed into AI engines to churn out infinite heaps of sludge. Oh yeah, and all the endless popup ads in an OS that you already paid for...
- 1,2, and 3, all boil down to "Terminal." You could have condensed those lol. And get good dude the terminal is ridiculously easy and powerful, you can become proficient enough in an afternoon for all the copy/pasting from stack overflow you may need.
  4, Ooohhh you haven't tried any distro since 2006? Dependencies are managed by your package manager for you, unless you're using Slackware and even then I think they have stuff for that now (maybe some nice person will reply with that answer because I actually want to try slackware, but fuck managing my own dependancies.)
  5, Oh you were born the same year as the last linux distro you tried? Wild.
  6, and we're back to "I've never even heard of Gnome or KDE but they definitely can't do this thing they've been able to do for 20yr." Bruh I mount externals from the file browser or the taskbar every day what the hell are you talking about? I'm gonna do it again in about 4hrs when I get home because all my totally not pirated media is on there.
  Dude if you're gonna complain about linux at least try it first, this list reads like something some windows fanboy told you in the XP or Vista days ffs.
- So don't use Linux I guess? Just because your some old guy who thinks they know everything doesn't mean that Linux isn't good for people who didn't grow up worshipping Microsoft.
  Not to say Linux is issue free but it is certainly better than it was.

Yes I do use HDR. Bluetooth too. Sorry Linux users, we exist.
- HDR is available in KDE now, and bluetooth works since like a decade? Sorry, you don't exist.
  
  It is crazy how the bots think they matter
  
  bluetooth works since like a decade
  Lol no it doesn't. It's still entirely at the mercy of the OEM, many of who often don't bother with Linux support. Acer is the biggest example.
- Woah do you even use a keyboard??
  None of those over here since the 80s
- Oh yeah I forgot, Bluetooth is banned on Linux... Bruh what are you even talking about? Lol

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