Hezbollah and Hamas flags waved during pro-Palestinian demonstration in New York
Hezbollah and Hamas flags waved during pro-Palestinian demonstration in New York
American right-wing media Freedom New TV (FNTV) and according to several videos of the rally published by the organizers on the social networks.
Meaning that we could be talking about one or two flags shown through a distorted media lens.
That said, it should be on the demonstrators to ensure people waving such flags get put at the margins and I hope that is what is happening.
I think that any coverage should simply ask organizers to comment.
This is such a propaganda tactic: no one can stop someone from showing up with any flag they want. If the organizers embrace it? Then the criticism is fair game.
But if they say something like 'out of thousands of protesters who share our demand for peace, several brought inflammatory messages that don't represent us', then media has a duty to report that.
Organizers are rarely asked to comment by the media during these protests.
The latest Some More News talked about that a lot.
That's usually the argument leveraged against platforms that don't fold to demands to deplatform individuals with reprehensible views.
The good old "You're either with us or against us" spiel is excellent at destroying any nuance.
The problem is 60-70% of Palestine supports Hamas. This isn't a fringe group waving flags around.
Source?
How many Israelis support idf or Israel? Hamas and Hezbollah flags are the equivalent to Israeli flags since they are terrorists organizations and governments. Usa supports only one of the terrorists though...I would argue Hamas are rebel fighters. Rebels use terrorism against regimes and occupying forces that kill locals in this case genocide and colonize Palestinians.
Idk hezbollahs deal not informed enough
"A couple of dudes amongst widespread protests across the country have done one reprehensible thing. This means the whole protest is illegitimate. Stop complaining about genocide and go back to work."
Do other people at the protest say "hey buddy, that's not what we're about"?
Or do they look the other way?
There have been movements in the past where a minority of the movement was antisemitic while the majority of the movement just looked the other way on the antisemitism from the others. It didn't go well for anyone.
The paradox of tolerance. If you tolerate the intolerant in your movement, you're part of an intolerant movement.
Waving terrorist flags in New York City is a good idea hyuk hyuk :>
Pro Palestinian march...waving hamas flags? Sounds like you're pro hamas really.
The two people waving the two flags? Yeah, seems like it. But you’re painting a whole march based on two people. Which seems super disingenuous and shitty. Which is exactly what this outlet is doing here.
If I went to a march and saw someone waving a flag of a group that committed genocide, I'd like to think I'd be brave enough to confront those people and tell them they're just making us all look bad and they aren't helping.
But realistically I'd probably just go home.
Either way I wouldn't associate myself with that kind of thing. The march would be a waste of time anyway, it's not going to influence anyone to join a cause that's for the genocide of the people they hate while claiming their people are victims of genocide. And if pretty much everyone went home when someone breaks out these kinds of flags, they'd soon get the point that they are hurting the movement even if no one confronted them about it.
At any rate everyone that went to this march accomplished exactly nothing because these people brought these flags. Probably worse than nothing... they likely lost support because of this.
If you care about Palestinians you should be willing to confront these people that are hurting your movement. If not, it's just a get-together to hang out with people that support the genocide of Jews.
I dunno man....if you were wandering along marching in solidarity with Germans and the guy next to you was waving a nazi flag would you keep marching? I think the people there made a strong statement
But but people here told me they’re just freedom fighters!
They're not "just" freedom fighters: they ARE freedom fighters, but they are also conservative religious freedom fighters who utilize indiscriminate violence to advance their cause of by any means necessary.
They are not morally upright heroes. I can't support what they did. They are, however, also still freedom fighters. And it makes me very, very angry that their tactics have been successful after non-violence failed in 2018. It shouldn't have come to this.
As Kennedy astutely observed, “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable”.
I cannot endorse the violence Hamas employs, but I also understand in such a context why others do. This was an inevitable outcome of extreme political disenfranchisement, and that makes me equally furious at the joint responsibility I see for the atrocities that have resulted.
What do you think freedom fighters are? The fact that they are fighting for freedom does not inherently mean that they support Western values. The West does not have a monopoly on freedom.
I wonder who paid them to do that.
Legit question - is there any actual grounds for the "terrorist" label other than striking at a long term oppressive occupying force? Cause ive not seen anyone show any receipts past calling Oct 7 "terrorism" or their overall governance as "extreme" (which, again, makes sense to me after 50 some years of oppression and occupation.)
Murdering and kidnapping civilians with the purpose of enacting their political goals does fit the label of terrorism. Then again, Israel does also murder and kidnap Palestinian civilians (and I mean kidnaps, because they don't have the legal grounds to imprison people at the West Bank) for the sake of their political goals, and they don't get called terrorists. So I call both Hamas and Israel terrorists, but a good general corollary is that there's always political motivation behind someone using or not using that label.
Deliberately targeting civilians qualifies as terrorist and that's exactly what they've been doing. There's also no need, like, not a single need or even excuse, to associate the Palestinian cause specifically with Hamas. It's like turning up at an environmentalist rally with a sign glorifying the Unabomber.